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Fruit Related Interogation For Stan Or Everyone !

On your diet you avocate eating really small portionns of low sugar fruit with a respectable amount of protein. I was wondering why would you suggest fruit more then complex carbs like integral bread , 100% whole weath cereal. In my opinion those release sugar much slower then any fruit , and since its not recommended for an hypoglycemique to eat more then 1-2 portions of fruit every day and no fruit at all after 4 o clock ( based on the winning the war agains hypoglycemia book ) its a french book.

I am wondering were you get you short term energie and carbs if its not from fruits.

I am assuming that a portion of 100 % integral bread release sugar slower then any fruits , why would they be bad ?
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replied April 10th, 2007
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As I'm sure you've noticed, these things aren't working for you. This is because you have saw-tooth curve reactive hypogylcemia. What I suggest is the only way to get around it if you have this problem. If your sugar drops every two hours, you may be able to have an adequate amount of complex carbohydrates, but it doesn't sound like it's doing anything for you. Mine drops every hour, and I learned through trial and error the only way around it is to get all of your carbohydrates through vegetables, very small amounts of fruit eaten throughout the day, and increased protein intake. My fruit portions are very small, only half an apple slice with each meal (if you're eating 8 meals a day). The majority of the energy comes from protein. You'll find yourself not taking any naps after awhile with a ton more energy than before.
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replied April 10th, 2007
Hey Stan ,
Thxs for the answer. I will try cutting of the milk.
Heres a typical day for me

Waking up between 7-8 i need to work harder on that leaning towards the 8- 8h30 lately

Then i take a liver desintoxication with cleansmart (1 month programm, has caused no problem)

Breakfast: Usually something like this 2 small 100 % grain toast , 1with peanut butter (organic additive free) the other one with low fat cheese (good quantitie of cheese) + 1 soymilk glass for extra protain + (omega 3 pill, and 2 pill that help the liver function and digestion)

then i eat a snack : 1 bread + nuts or any protein

The rest of the day is the same i always try to eat 3-4 proteins portions for a ratio of 1-2 glucide ( but from what you say , i might be eating to much glucide)

- i also eat lots of green vegetable

Basically anything i do , nothing will stop the 4-5 oclock drop of energie and need for a nap , i cant even watch a movie sometimes . Then i wake up feeling like hells (feel like i just sleep for 20 years and need another 20) , eat dinner and i slowly get better then i can exercice.

One problem i have is with feeling like crap in the morning , is there anything i can do with that , do you eat before going to bed, i usually take a snack high in protein around 9-10 and then i go to bed for eleven (sometimes a little bit later but usually im sleeping by 11h30 12h. I sleep good but when i wake up i feel everytime like ive been hit by a 18 whellers , then i wake eat and slowly get better.

I have no problem with the alcool , in 1 year i can count on my figertips number of time i took a drink and now i stopped completely for over a month now. The problem i have is I dont feel free of doing wathever i want , Sometimes i wish i could just travel (with a pack sac without worrying abouth food ) go out with friends , have a huge windsurfing session in the afternoon , but i know its not possible.

Generally how do you feel , you have anergy troughout the day , can you do lots of sports in the afternoon? how is the everyday life ?

I would like to know from other people that are controlled how they feel.

I sometiem wonder if eating every 2 hour isnt making my body lazy or something.

Anyways , happy i found this forum , looks liek a good place to share infos.
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replied April 10th, 2007
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Before you're sure the liver thing is okay, post a link here so I can see the ingredients. There are some sneaky herbs and such that have a significant blood sugar lowering effect that may be contributing to your problem. Since it's a liver pill, I'm going to guess something like licorice root might be in there, which lowers blood sugar. Give me a way to see the ingredients or list them. Add two or one fried in organic cultured butter free range, organic egg(s) to your breakfast. Every diet I've read, even those that advocate higher carbohydrates, always say to never eat more than two pieces of whole grain bread per day, one to start, so that might be doing something right there. Soy milk is worthless. First off, please check the label. There was someone on here awhile ago that didn't understand why she was getting sick until she read her soymilk label and saw that it had something like molasses or perhaps it was called evaporated cane juice in it. Just sugar. Organic, natural companies will make foods taste better just like processed foods, by adding sugar, regardless of how natural it may be it's usually in there. If it doesn't say unsweetened on the box, you just discovered you've been drinking plain sugar every morning. In addition, soymilk is bad for another reason. Every now and then it may be okay, but not that much. Why? Well, soy has a protein content that is significant and Asians eat it all the time. However, they eat it as a condiment, not as a staple food source. This means just a little bit of tofu or something in a larger meal with meat and rice. It's just like adding a pickle. People, especially vegetarians, figured that soy would be an excellent substitute for meat, which it isn't. Why? Well, aside from the protein content, it contains enormous levels of something called phytic acid, which our bodies are not designed to break down. Thus, high levels of soy require your body to get rid of it somehow because we don't have the enzymes required to digest it. What does it do? It strips nutrients and vitamins in your body and in the food you eat to essentially create a casing for the phytic acid so you can get rid of it. Don't drink it. Nuts are generally great, but I recommend eating only walnuts at first and steering clear of peanuts for awhile because they're actually legumes, not nuts, and these can effect blood sugar much differently. What is glucide? What kind of green vegetables are you eating? The sleep thing is very tough to get past. Here's why. It's usually very easy to get sleeping down because by the end of the day your sugar is stable anyway, so it's easy to sleep. However, since you're not eating while you sleep, when you first eat in the morning your body drops the sugar down but there isn't anything there to keep it level so hypoglycemics typically feel like crap until around 12 noon. Adding a whole avocado to your breakfast should clear that up pretty quick, I hope. The travel thing is tough, I know what you mean. I used to get pretty depressed because to travel you need to bring this huge cooler with you or find out if certain stores that carry what you need are in the area you're going to. This, unfortunately, cannot be avoided until you can eat different foods and spread your time out. After about one year of finally eating right, I think I am ready to start eating less frequently. So, considering that, you have to work for it, but you really shouldn't feel too bad because it shouldn't take longer than a year and a half to be able to eat less and still feel good, perhaps occasionally having a little something bad. I feel very good now. I found that taking a vitamin c tablet (1g per day spread out) increased my rate of recovery, so you may want to try that. I rarely get tired, and if I do it seems to just be normal like anyone else would. I work out more now than I did even before I was sick and have even, finally, started to add back in my morning exercise routine after almost two years of not doing it. Every day life is great. It's hard to believe some of the problems I had all because of sugar, really amazing if I think about it. Sometimes I would worry about the eating every two hours thing, but always remember, you won't be doing this forever so it won't harm you. The only potential side effect I've noticed is that you'll obviously go the bathroom more and you may, though rarely, be a little more prone to getting hemroids, but I haven't heard anyone say anything about this so it's just a theory since you're going more than usual. Eating every two hours, in fact, actually increases your body metabolism, making your body anything but lazy.
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replied April 13th, 2007
Hey stan ,
I dont know if I have saw tooth hypoglycémia , heres my test resutl

7:00: Blood sugar with 0 intake = 4.1mg/l
Drink of a higly concentrate sugar drink
7:30 = 6.9 mg/l
8:00 = 5.1 mg/l
8:30 = 3.7 mg/l ( low value )
9:00 = 3.3 mg/l (low value)
9:30 = 3.7 mg/l (like if my sugar level wanted to get back up but couldnt)
10:00= 2.1 mg/l (boom, really low)
11:00= 4.2 mg/l
12:00 = 4.2mg/l


Anyways hope this is helpfull
As for the supplement i am taking , here they are

Morning when I awake (feeling like crap):
-liver detox 1: http://www.renewlife.com/flowmeter.cfm?met er=461
-tryfonia http://www.cureself.com/index.asp?PageActi on=VIEWPROD&ProdID=935

In between meal: Gamma aminobutyric acid

Dinner: EPA- DHA 6:1 , the active incredient of omega 3
- Parazyme http://www.renewlife.com/flowmeter.cfm?met er=380
- Phos Choline
http://www.nutriessential.com/shop/product _view.asp?id=77791&StoreID=7DF17369520 24D7D905095869F15FB9C&private_product= 0

Same think for super

Before bed
- liver detox 2
- tryfonia


I am almost done the liver detox , its a 1 month programm and then i see the doctor again (who is a classic doctor as well as a naturopathe, homeopathe)
- hes really open is there any supplement i should talk to him abouth.
Note that ive only start the products 2 months ago and he follow me every month to adjust and try new things, they havent worsen anything but they didnt help as much as I would have hope (tought maybe more then I think , hard to really know due to the constant changes troughout the day)

Anyways i cut half the carb i was eating , and yes the bread is 100 % as well as every other bread like product i may use.

I started this morning with a half avocado , 2 organic egg(with little bit of chees) + half bread piece breakfast.

Thanks for the info you seem really dedicated , if i can clear my symptoms me to might help.

Have good day thx for infos
Etienne
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replied April 14th, 2007
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That looks more like a dull curve, a curve that drops low quickly and doesn't really return to normal for a few hours or so. About the liver detox:

1. Milk thistle is known for lowering blood sugar levels. Read about it here down in the side effects section: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/silymarin /NS_patient-milkthistle

2. Dandelion root is also believed to increase insulin levels, though only one experiment on animals thus far has proved this.

3. Artichoke leaf causes the liver to convert its stores of glycogen into sugar, so there's a reason why your liver is not storing everything it gets.

4. Turmeric, I know from experience, is a powerful hypoglycemic herb that will lower your sugar quick. Here is a short exert from a site about it: Because turmeric may decrease blood sugar levels, taking it with other blood sugar-lowering herbal products may result in hypoglycemia - blood sugar that is too low.

The other supplements are fine, but these things can make you sick and may be contributing to your problem. You already have an unstable sugar level that takes awhile to come back up, and taking something like this will keep it down pretty good. How many grams of carbohydrates are you eating per day?
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replied April 14th, 2007
Ok so i guess the liver detox wasnt so good after all. I have couple of days left. I will se the doctor in 2 weeks or so , is there anthing , supplement i should ask for.

Yep the main problem with me is that i always feel tired and in between most of the day , it only get better after supper and late at night.

I dont know abouth the nb. of mg of carbs but i would say i eat maybe 1 and a half piece of bread + some vegetables (mostly green) 1 tomatoes and some carrots sometime too. I use to eat much more then that , but since a couple of days my symptoms have worsen and i wake up really really bad in the morning , this is getting frustrating because ive been really carefull during the week anyways to stop that ?

I have a business to run this summer and everytime i go to bed at night i feel encourage , full of new ideas , and when i wake up in the morning i am a mess, sometimes i just feel like giving up and becoming a monk for a while !

Where a re you from , and whats your job ??

Anyways thanks for the answers
good luck
Etienne
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replied April 14th, 2007
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I'm from Pennsylvania, currently living in Virginia to get my PhD. I would bet those ingredients in the cleanse are causing you the most problem. May take a week or so for it to flush out of your system, however. Your main problem is that you need to keep the sugar stable with the proper diet. I need to absolutely know how much you're eating, so you're going to have to measure it out. What kind of green vegetables are you eating and how much? You need to know this. Carrots and all root vegetables can cause problems for some people, so that may be an issue for you as well. The only way to stop your morning problem is to find the diet that is going to work. Going to be hard to tell that until you finish those dumb pills. If they worked for the liver, fine, but your doctor should have had you research the ingredients first.
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replied April 14th, 2007
Hey,
Thx for the answer
I will stop those pills now , i had 3 days left anyways.

I can give you an example of what a normal day may look like

8:00 breakfast: 2 organic eggs + s little bit of chees + half avocado (new adition) and half 100 % grain toast

10: 00 - 10:30 : 30g of oatmeal cook with a little bit of milk (should probably cut that) + some walnuts

12h30: Salmon salad with tomatoes, (vinegar mixed with olive oil for dressing)

could also be

Half an artisanal pizza made for very thin crust (100% organic) + salad + cheese + some nuts


Basically i try to stick to what ive learn here from a specialist in hypoglycemia , and she basically says mostly same things as you but she
says i should eat a proportion of 1 portion(glucide, maybe carbs for you)-2 portion (proteins) . What correspond to 1 portion of glucide is ( piece of bread 100% only, 30g of natural oatmeal, 30g of shreded weath 100 % cereal, also fruits, tomatoes, carots) But she told me not to go with fruit for now and i could had it later she says wheat bread and oats are slower release then fruit.

If I had to take fruit the best are bluberries , strawberries , blackberries like you said.

For bigger meal like dinner or supper i should be eating 2 portion of glucide mixed with 3-4 portion of proteins.

I try to stick to that.

I try to eat as many green low carbs vegetables(salad, cucumber brocoli , i can for dinner and supper and generally count them as half a glucideunless ive taken tomatoes)

Anyways i will diminish my carbs ( i think i was eating to many anyway , not considering ones present in vegetables)
I will go with this for a week or so and I will let you know how it feels.

Might get better cause before I had tendencie to over eat and eat to fast and also a week ago i had a diner were i didnt eat perfectly ( tought i did not eat desert or anything soo bad)

Also i take 1 homeopatic remedy once a week , idbe surprise if it had any influence, but you never know i was already surprised once (called natrum muriatic).

Lastly , how long before bed do you eat your last meal ?? and what is it ?

were did you get all this knowledge any good websit or book to recommend?!

Thx for all the answer
Have a good week end
ciao
Etienne
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replied April 16th, 2007
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1. Eat a whole avocado, that will keep you going. Maybe increase some of that cheese portion too.

2. Try apple cider vinegar, organic if possible (it's actually very cheap) ad mix that with the oil, pretty amazing.

3. The pizza is undoubtedly bad for you, no reason to comment.

4. You are likely eating too much bread, perhaps try to have a small serving of rice later in the day (only whole grain, wild rice or unbleached brown rice) instead of the bread.

5. Carrots are root vegetables, you should probably avoid them, potatoes and beets.

6. Eat some italian cut or regular green beans, they have a decent amount of carbs and have a sugar that goes straight to the brain and does not seem to activate the pancreas. Also, make sure you're only eating romaine or green leaf lettuce. Don't even bother with iceberg head lettuce, it has like no nutritional value whatsoever.

7. Try for around 80-100g of carbs per day or a little more if you feel like you need it.

8. I go to bed no more than an hour after eating my last meal, usually. This, according to chinese medicine, is good because the major flow of chi during digestion occurs for the first 30 minutes after eating.

9. Their really aren't that many good books out there. The two best are the one by Saunders and the one by Paavo something rather, I forget how to spell it. It's called Hypoglycemia: A Better Approach.
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replied April 17th, 2007
Stan Stepanic wrote:

9. Their really aren't that many good books out there. The two best are the one by Saunders and the one by Paavo something rather, I forget how to spell it. It's called Hypoglycemia: A Better Approach.


Have you read "The Low Blood Sugar Handbook" by Ed Krimmel or "Hypoglycemia for Dummies"?

The "Low Blood Sugar Handbook" I found to be a great resource for taking hypoglycemic precautions to the max. It's a very strict regimen that I am still trying to determine if I need to go to that extent.

"Hypoglycemia for Dummies" is a little more lax on what to eat and what to do, but it is very informative about the condition itself and some of the factors that effect it.

I have the Saunders book at home but haven't had a chance to read it yet. You've inspired me to get on it. Smile

I really wish there were more resources available for hypoglycemic athletes. Sad
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replied April 18th, 2007
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Yeah, I was planning on writing something that gave like five different types of diets for hypoglycemics to try based on body type and activity level, but the problem is I probably wouldn't be able to legally post anything here anymore. I'd rather help people for free.
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replied April 18th, 2007
The help you provide here is very commendable.

I think you should consider pursuing your writing interests. Not only will you probably reach more people with published material, but it is also pretty easy to set up your own message board where you would still be able to help people for free. Besides, I'd love to see different variations of the hypoglycemic diet for different activity levels. Smile
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