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eiri wrote:


so you're promoting child abuse and sibling abuse? Go back to your birth country, if you have so many.E.D.I.T.E.D. .F.O.R. .A.B.U.S.I.V.E. .L.I.K.E. .B.E.H.A.V.I.O.R. Problems with ours.

No, I am not anti-immigration, and this has nothing to do with that. I have a problem with people who say "oh it was so much better where I was from" whether they are referring to a city, the countryside, suburbs, or a whole other country. You don't like it? Go back home and stop being annoying.


no eiri! I think you misunderstood me. I like the system here better that's why I made the comment. I wished my neighbors would have called the cops when my brother beat me up. As I said the system is very efficient here. If a woman has an unwanted child she can't abuse the kid or she will be go to jail. So why do we need to kill so many unborn babies afraid of them been neglected? You can't neglect or abuse a child.

And by the way my country pr is part of the usa if you didn't know. We are full american citizen just like every other american so we don't qualify in the inmigrant category. We don't need visas or green cards to come here.
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yeah, sure america's system attacks child abuse. If you call cps about a child abuse case, they won't even bother to look into it unless the child in question is starving, bleeding, or dying. America is supposedly "all about god's precious little miracles", yet the idiots whose job it is to help abused children don't do everything in their power to see that the abused kids find the help and care they need. Now, I understand some people who report child abuse are persons, and they'll report a parent who spanks her child for misbehaving. It's the reports like that that discourage the workers from attending cases that really need the help.


Also, there is not always solid proof of abuse...And children who are abused are usually made to think they somehow deserve the abuse and then they get too scared to tell anyone. Some parents who beat their kids hard enough to leave marks force their kids to make up a lie to cover the tracks; a kid shows up with a great big bruise on her leg because daddy decided to shove her down the stairs, but she's forced to admit that she tripped over something or got it playing soccer or whatever. People who abuse children sometimes don't get their come-uppance because they know how to hide the evidence.


yes they will always be bad people that does this. They are criminals. But most gals that have abortions are not going to be child abusers.
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eiri wrote:


so you're promoting child abuse and sibling abuse? Go back to your birth country, if you have so many.E.D.I.T.E.D. .F.O.R. .A.B.U.S.I.V.E. .L.I.K.E. .B.E.H.A.V.I.O.R. Problems with ours.

No, I am not anti-immigration, and this has nothing to do with that. I have a problem with people who say "oh it was so much better where I was from" whether they are referring to a city, the countryside, suburbs, or a whole other country. You don't like it? Go back home and stop being annoying.


no eiri! I think you misunderstood me. I like the system here better that's why I made the comment. I wished my neighbors would have called the cops when my brother beat me up. As I said the system is very efficient here. If a woman has an unwanted child she can't abuse the kid or she will be go to jail. So why do we need to kill so many unborn babies afraid of them been neglected? You can't neglect or abuse a child.



And by the way my country pr is part of the usa if you didn't know. We are full american citizen just like every other american so we don't qualify in the inmigrant category. We don't need visas or green cards to come here.


i don't know where you're from, it just seems like half of your comments are about how everything is better where you're from. "children respect their parents there" "people respect sex there" etc etc. That could be a different state, a different town, a different country.

Unfortunately, even with our good system, children still get abused and grow up to be abusers themselves. Preventing the cycle is important.


And what the heck did I say that was so darn offensive? Freaking? .E.D.I.T.E.D. .F.O.R. .A.B.U.S.I.V.E. .L.I.K.E. .B.E.H.A.V.I.O.R.? Darn? I know it wasn't a swear word, because I know better than that.
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cambion wrote:
yeah, sure america's system attacks child abuse. If you call cps about a child abuse case, they won't even bother to look into it unless the child in question is starving, bleeding, or dying. America is supposedly "all about god's precious little miracles", yet the idiots whose job it is to help abused children don't do everything in their power to see that the abused kids find the help and care they need. Now, I understand some people who report child abuse are persons, and they'll report a parent who spanks her child for misbehaving. It's the reports like that that discourage the workers from attending cases that really need the help.



Also, there is not always solid proof of abuse...And children who are abused are usually made to think they somehow deserve the abuse and then they get too scared to tell anyone. Some parents who beat their kids hard enough to leave marks force their kids to make up a lie to cover the tracks; a kid shows up with a great big bruise on her leg because daddy decided to shove her down the stairs, but she's forced to admit that she tripped over something or got it playing soccer or whatever. People who abuse children sometimes don't get their come-uppance because they know how to hide the evidence.


yes they will always be bad people that does this. They are criminals. But most gals that have abortions are not going to be child abusers.


how do you know?
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I looked on the internet for the heck of it, and I actually spotted a few studies that said that abortions somehow lead to an increase in the chance of the person maltreating children. Apparently, once they get over and accept the "omg i'm a evill baby-killer" complex, it's not that big of a deal to them if or when they abuse any future kids they have. I call b/s on these studies (mainly because they are statistics) - not because they conflict with my belief, but because there's no actual proof of anything. These "studies" were probably written by pro-life zealots to try and explain how evilllll abortion is. One such study was a survey of 500 women - give me a break. How many women are going to readily admit that they abuse or have abused their kids? If anything, I think it's a coincidence.

I find it hard to believe - i've never heard a story about a woman who had previously aborted who decided to beat or neglect future offspring. I can admit when i'm wrong, but all of these studies I have read don't give any proof of their "findings" besides "there is a casual connection between abortion and subsequent child abuse". Until I see real proof of this connection, I stand by my original claim.

I wouldn't say that abortion is the reason for an increase in child abuse - there is no solid proof that shouts out "abortion makes people abuse kids!". Is it not true that people who were abused as children have a slightly greater chance of becoming abusive later in life? There are a lot of factors that contribute to child abuse, including stress on the parents' or family's part, alcohol or drug use, unemployment, a shaky marriage or relationship, dealing with a disabled child, etc.

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eiri wrote:

how do you know?
because most of this gals that have abortion as I read in the abourtion forum just don't want a change of lifestyle, they are not natured to be child abusers and note I say most cause I believe someone like cambion to be a potential child abuser.
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because most of this gals that have abortion as I read in the abourtion forum just don't want a change of lifestyle, they are not natured to be child abusers and note I say most cause I believe someone like cambion to be a potential child abuser.


yeah, except for one thing. Those who hate kids usually do their best to avoid the little monkeys, and that includes me. As much as I despise children, I would never want to hurt one. Everything about kids sicken me, from how they smell to when they scream...Why would I go out of my way to go near something I hate? Way to pass judgment on me. I suppose since you're pro-life, you have the potential to kill abortion doctors or blow up abortion clinics.
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because most of this gals that have abortion as I read in the abourtion forum just don't want a change of lifestyle, they are not natured to be child abusers and note I say most cause I believe someone like cambion to be a potential child abuser.


yeah, except for one thing. Those who hate kids usually do their best to avoid the little monkeys, and that includes me. As much as I despise children, I would never want to hurt one. Everything about kids sicken me, from how they smell to when they scream...Why would I go out of my way to go near something I hate? Way to pass judgment on me. I suppose since you're pro-life, you have the potential to kill abortion doctors or blow up abortion clinics.


see eiri then not even the child haters would abuse their children. Few people would actually abuse/neglect their children so again see how you guys are wrong when saying abortion prevents child abuse. Only natured people to be child abusers would do so.
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You should never have the right to say that someone like .Cambion could be a potential child abuser, that is rude! Just because you have an abortion or do not care for kids does not make you a child abuser. Their is such things like mental health, a mind could click at anytime, certain stress, an out-of-control child or parent, it could be a very nice person or an arse. Their are times where a child can falsely say the parent is because the chid did not get what it wanted, their are times when a child has been threatened not to tell and their are times when the child will tell the truth about being abused. It happens alot at the hospital when we cannot send the child home butit is not my choice to say but it is my place to report the possibility of it happening and for the drs to investigate it.
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because most of this gals that have abortion as I read in the abourtion forum just don't want a change of lifestyle, they are not natured to be child abusers and note I say most cause I believe someone like cambion to be a potential child abuser.


yeah, except for one thing. Those who hate kids usually do their best to avoid the little monkeys, and that includes me. As much as I despise children, I would never want to hurt one. Everything about kids sicken me, from how they smell to when they scream...Why would I go out of my way to go near something I hate? Way to pass judgment on me. I suppose since you're pro-life, you have the potential to kill abortion doctors or blow up abortion clinics.


see eiri then not even the child haters would abuse their children. Few people would actually abuse/neglect their children so again see how you guys are wrong when saying abortion prevents child abuse. Only natured people to be child abusers would do so.


cambion might not, but there are some who would; and there are people I know that I never want to see a child in their arms. If so few people actually abuse/neglect their children, then why are there so many reports of it? Natured people? You mean theyw er born as child abusers? Sorry, but as far as nature versus nuture, i'm more in the school of nuture.
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eiri wrote:
if so few people actually abuse/neglect their children, then why are there so many reports of it? Natured people? You mean theyw er born as child abusers?


yup
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I do not believe people are born as child abusers, but I do believe that some people are born with mental illness. People who abuse children and animals are obviously not 'right', and need a lot of help.

I have had 3 aboritons, and would never hurt a child!!!!! Why harm a child? They did not ask to be born, the woman chose to stay pregnant adn the child had no say in that decision, so why blame a child for being born? You don't want a child? Abortion, or adoption, but don't abuse one...That's common sense, which sadly some people do not have. Abusive people just make me sick.
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I also don't think that anyone can be born a child abuser - they become abusive over time due to certain factors in their lives. People who were abused as kids may grow up to abuse their own children. Other things like alcohol and drug use/abuse, an unstable relationship or marriage, stress, or a mental illness on the part of the parent or the child can all be contributing factors to what makes the nature of a child abuser.
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And of course, most of those who are child abusers are parents. They are not those who have aborted.
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poopoopoo wrote:
and of course, most of those who are child abusers are parents. They are not those who have aborted.


not at all there are more childless child abusers than their are parents that abuse children.

Most forms of child abuse in the home come from step parents or mums boyfriends or even worse dads girlfriend.

And low and behold most child killers are actualy childless to look at myra and ian and ian huntly for but 2 examples.
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diamond splinter wrote:
poopoopoo wrote:
and of course, most of those who are child abusers are parents. They are not those who have aborted.


not at all there are more childless child abusers than their are parents that abuse children.


i'd be interested in the statistics on this. I tend to think you would be wrong, although this may depend on what you classify as abuse. For instance, there was a recently reported case of a one-day old baby raped by her father in the hospital.

diamond splinter wrote:

most forms of child abuse in the home come from step parents or mums boyfriends or even worse dads girlfriend.


i think a lot of fathers would be implicated. Mothers as well are often abusers. And there is neglect as well -- if you count that as abuse.

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and low and behold most child killers are actualy childless to look at myra and ian and ian huntly for but 2 examples.


that is child-murder, not child abuse. I think statistically, most children who are killed are by parents or other family.

But what you can definitely not say is that those who have had abortions are likely to be child abusers. Logically, by ensuring that they do not have a child that they hate, resent, or simply can't be bothered with, they are removing themselves from a situation of potential abuse/neglect.
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I believe that each situation is different and most of the time they are innocent until proven guilty as some will say they are guily on a cover-up.
As far as child abuse goes. We cannot say it is because they have abortions or they have kids, to me, it is just pure hate and wanting to hurt and those I am not(as I do not hate and I do not want to hurt)!
The thing of it is is that so many get off too easy(just my opinion)!
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While Were Handing Out Undeserving Rights to Mothers...
Why not just give women the right to abuse. Many single mothers live with more stress than I could imagine. Perhaps they need this outlet to relieve stress. By allowing them to beat their children we might help ease the stress of these single mothers. Remember it is their choice.

Or perhaps a mother can't afford to feed their baby. Again, it is her body that will suffer if she can't nourish it due to the food directed toward her child. Perhaps mothers should not be required to feed these babies either if she might suffer from affording the full caloric requirements for each day.

These arguments are obviously just taking the current argument a bit farther which says the mother's body and health are important and therefore the child should not be considered.

I think we all agree that if it comes down to the child or the mother most will side with the mother. This is just a rare case and a poor choice to base an argument supporting abortion.

The movie Amazing Grace actually made me realize that this debate one day will become one of the past, hopefullly within my lifetime. I watched as William Wilburforce worked through legislation to bring an end to the slave trade. He saw the great injustice being done to fellow humans which the majority of society went along with and remained silent. Most of the public actually chose to not actually know the facts behind what kept their sugar so cheap and the labor that was forced to work these crops. As knowledge spread on the harsh conditions of slavery and the trade, so did dissenting opinions on slavery.

I think as technology advances with 4D sonograms and beyond, people will value the life that is being killed legally in our day. It is only a matter of time before life will be supported outside the womb at 10 weeks or even younger. At what point would it then be a wise choice to end this life when outside the womb? I think even our society will realize this is a barbaric practice and the time is now to sadly add this to our history books and move on as wiser people.
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1.3 million babies are killed through legal abortion each year in the u.S.


1.3 million fewer people per year in the world is a GOOD thing. There are too many people on the planet as it is, we don't need to be breeding like rabbits.



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Please help to stop the unjustice... Choose life, your mother did.


She didn't, she had no choice at the time. I would not want to be here solely because abortion was illegal at the time I was conceived. And, had I been aborted, I'd never have known the difference.
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1.3 million fewer people per year in the world is a GOOD thing. There are too many people on the planet as it is, we don't need to be breeding like rabbits.



I guess it goes without saying you are for the killing in Sudan, Iraq War, and genocide in general? I'm sure you don't mind if the majority of us do value life and would like to fight for it to have a right to live.
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