February 14th, 2006
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Surrender,
don't stress out about this. We all know she's just a little knocked up girl, who by the way, is very immature. Obviously she just doensn't want to accept the fact that there's pros and cons to both sides and yes you did mention the pros. She just doesn't want to get it, so if she is the one who is unable to make an educated decision with her child that is her problem.

I hope she learns how to clean it properly and that her child takes the extra time to do this so that he may not get an infection since this is "her" decision. If she doesn't want to listen to the facts that's her problem, that is why she is in this situation.
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replied February 14th, 2006
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Go ahead but it seems like most of you have guilty consciences about your decision or else you wouldn't be so defensive.

I went through half those links that were listed on this page. A couple guys with phimosis and a couple of unsubstantiated posts and one guy who was completely normal. Not a whole lot to base a case against circumcision on. Haven't seen any other pros listed yet.

Amusing that so many people are as well. Go ahead. Call me names. Say i'm stupid. That makes you look real mature. "omg lyk u dont know what your talking about theres so many pros out there but I cant list any now but omg you are so stupid just go away you dummy". Yeah. Whatever. :roll:
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hunterjumper wrote:
go ahead but it seems like most of you have guilty consciences about your decision or else you wouldn't be so defensive.

I went through half those links that were listed on this page. A couple guys with phimosis and a couple of unsubstantiated posts and one guy who was completely normal. Not a whole lot to base a case against circumcision on. Haven't seen any other pros listed yet.

Amusing that so many people are as well. Go ahead. Call me names. Say i'm stupid. That makes you look real mature. "omg lyk u dont know what your talking about theres so many pros out there but I cant list any now but omg you are so stupid just go away you dummy". Yeah. Whatever. :roll:

sorry, no guilty conscience here. My children have problem-free genitals :)
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Ok, how can I have a giulty conscience? I haven't had my first baby yet, and I already said that if myt baby turns out to be a boy we are not going to circ him--i don't have to explain my reasoning to u lil girls. Even tho we won't circ if its a boy, I can still see that there a pros and cons..And y'all say its abuse and painful...Obviously u don't know what ur talking about. Its a little uncomfortable but not seering pain.


Ps:thanks mia, lol I agree w/ u allt he way
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michelle1981 wrote:
sorry, no guilty conscience here. My children have problem-free genitals :)


and ignorance must be bliss for you. Assuming that the genitals of those who are uncircumcised aren't problem free. Guess I should tell that to the circumcised guy who gave me hpv. And I should tell my son who is uncirc'd and hardly even had a case of diaper rash that his genitals are somehow mysteriously 'bad' and 'dirty' and 'gross'. Same with my brother who is uncircumcised and has never had a problem.

I'll believe there are pros to circumcision when someone posts more then one pro-circ study proving it. Or link to some guy who's circ'd bragging about it. It's suppose to be some big surprise that people who are done tend to want others to be done?
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surrender wrote:
obviously u don't know what ur talking about. Its a little uncomfortable but not seering pain.


Ps:thanks mia, lol I agree w/ u allt he way


and you would know this seeing as how you were circumcised as an adult male? Wait, you're pregnant. Therefor you're not male at all. Talk about ignorant. Claiming to know that circumcision isn't painful when you're not even a male yourself.


I believe it's painful because i've read scientifically backed up studies that have proven that newborn babies actually feel pain more than adults do. Because I have common sense and I know that cutting off large chunks of skin hurt, no matter what your age is. Because I see the flaw in logic where people wouldn't kick or punch or burn a newborn baby but they'll take scalpels to their genitals without any qualms. Because i've read dozens of experiences from grown men who actually consented to being circumcised and often fainted from the sheer agony and that's even with anesthetic which infants aren't often given.

You know, 50 years ago people use to disregard newborn pain and even open-heart surgery was performed without anesthetic. Same as society use to disregard women's pain because we went through childbirth and obviously if we had felt anything, we wouldn't do it or have survived it. I thought we had evolved from that point. Guess not.
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Both pros and cons and supporting evidence and arguments against
Naturalfamilyonline.Com/2-ch/412-circumcis ion.Htm


they have pros and cons---because b.O.T.H exist. Happy??


But im sure those sites don't know what ur talking about :roll:
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hunterjumper wrote:
michelle1981 wrote:
sorry, no guilty conscience here. My children have problem-free genitals :)


and ignorance must be bliss for you. Assuming that the genitals of those who are uncircumcised aren't problem free. Guess I should tell that to the circumcised guy who gave me hpv. And I should tell my son who is uncirc'd and hardly even had a case of diaper rash that his genitals are somehow mysteriously 'bad' and 'dirty' and 'gross'. Same with my brother who is uncircumcised and has never had a problem.

i never said that all children that haven't been circumcised were "dirty", "bad" and "gross". They are your words. Maybe you're feeling guilty... Hmmmm???
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Someone posted more than one pro about it earlier in the forum that's enought to prova a point we don't have to keep repeating it again and again as you are because it is already mentioned and no matter how many times you repeat it the facts still stay the same so there's no need to waste our time in that.


Maybe you are the one that's getting offended because you think we are calling your children dirty for not having them circumcised and if you are going to ask where I got this from here it is

"and I should tell my son who is uncirc'd and hardly even had a case of diaper rash that his genitals are somehow mysteriously 'bad' and 'dirty' and 'gross'. Same with my brother who is uncircumcised and has never had a problem."

if you are saying it it's because you are thinking it! And btw, nobody has called you or your children anything.

The posts that I put on there was to see 'both' sides of the facts witout being bias, from real men who are experiencing this, and not women who are here to argue about something that we don't have (including myself)



"i'll believe there are pros to circumcision when someone posts more then one pro-circ study proving it. Or link to some guy who's circ'd bragging about it. It's suppose to be some big surprise that people who are done tend to want others to be done? "

a lot of the people on there were people who wanted to get it done or had gotten it done because they have had problems. Why don't you go tell them it's ok, they don't have anything wrong with them...
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michelle1981 wrote:

i never said that all children that haven't been circumcised were "dirty", "bad" and "gross". They are your words. Maybe you're feeling guilty... Hmmmm???


it's called insinuation dear. Look it up in a dictionary. When you're debating circumcision and say "my children have problem free genitals." there's really only one way to take that. If it wasn't meant to be an insinuation against those who aren't circ'd, it would have been finished with something like "i know that's not always the case with circumcision though."
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hunterjumper wrote:
michelle1981 wrote:

i never said that all children that haven't been circumcised were "dirty", "bad" and "gross". They are your words. Maybe you're feeling guilty... Hmmmm???


it's called insinuation dear. Look it up in a dictionary. When you're debating circumcision and say "my children have problem free genitals." there's really only one way to take that. If it wasn't meant to be an insinuation against those who aren't circ'd, it would have been finished with something like "i know that's not always the case with circumcision though."


lol as long as we're passing out educational advice: there should be a comma between the word insinuation and dear.

Ie:t's called insinuation, dear.

Lol
sorry, you're just pissing me off, dear.:roll:
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hunterjumper wrote:
michelle1981 wrote:

i never said that all children that haven't been circumcised were "dirty", "bad" and "gross". They are your words. Maybe you're feeling guilty... Hmmmm???


it's called insinuation dear. Look it up in a dictionary. When you're debating circumcision and say "my children have problem free genitals." there's really only one way to take that. If it wasn't meant to be an insinuation against those who aren't circ'd, it would have been finished with something like "i know that's not always the case with circumcision though."

no .D.E.A.R, it was a statement following your comment!
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jennie25 wrote:
hunterjumper wrote:
michelle1981 wrote:

i never said that all children that haven't been circumcised were "dirty", "bad" and "gross". They are your words. Maybe you're feeling guilty... Hmmmm???


it's called insinuation dear. Look it up in a dictionary. When you're debating circumcision and say "my children have problem free genitals." there's really only one way to take that. If it wasn't meant to be an insinuation against those who aren't circ'd, it would have been finished with something like "i know that's not always the case with circumcision though."


lol as long as we're passing out educational advice: there should be a comma between the word insinuation and dear.


Ie:t's called insinuation, dear.

Lol
sorry, you're just pissing me off, dear.:roll:

lmao
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michelle1981 wrote:
hunterjumper wrote:
go ahead but it seems like most of you have guilty consciences about your decision or else you wouldn't be so defensive.

I went through half those links that were listed on this page. A couple guys with phimosis and a couple of unsubstantiated posts and one guy who was completely normal. Not a whole lot to base a case against circumcision on. Haven't seen any other pros listed yet.

Amusing that so many people are as well. Go ahead. Call me names. Say i'm stupid. That makes you look real mature. "omg lyk u dont know what your talking about theres so many pros out there but I cant list any now but omg you are so stupid just go away you dummy". Yeah. Whatever. :roll:

sorry, no guilty conscience here. My children have problem-free genitals :)


mine too. Lol! I'm defensive because someone is calling me a bad mother.
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replied February 14th, 2006
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It's a proven fact that uncircumsized children/men have more genital problems than circumsized, not to mention i've heard from several uncircumsized men that they usually get made fun of, and are embaressed about it.

They end up getting it done later in life which is more painful than getting it done at birth.

They numb the area here, plus it's something they won't even remember when their older.

If anyone is causing harm to their children, it's the people who don't get their son's circumsized. It causes them pain not only emotionally but physically aswell.

Allie, your from the uk or somewhere out there correct? Where you're from, it's really really common to not get circumsized, but here in the states it is. I don't find you should be basically bashing people because they don't have their son's circumsized, as if a guy in the uk came to the states and slept with an american girl, they'd basically get laughed at as it's not common & looks funny to us.

I know i'd laugh at a guy with an uncircumsized penis.
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replied February 14th, 2006
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Well thats stupid, to laugh at someones penis because it isnt circumsised, you dont get laughed at either way over here, and I have asked guys about it since this post started. They arent embarrassed they didnt have it done, and neither should they be. If you research it properly you'll find it is not the best thing to be circumsised. Theres no need what so ever to do that to a baby. Like I said before, if you're all so concerned about your child getting an infection in it, which is rare if they know how to clean it properly, why dont u go get other parts of their anatomy sliced off too? Like their tonsils for example. Its a lot more common for kids to need their tonsils out than to need to be circumsised, so why not do that too? Its all ridiculous. You should love all of your child not cut parts off, in dalicia's case for appearance reasons. Fair enough if its your religion, thats understandable, I still dont agree with doing it.

No one has listed any pro's at all...And dont say you have because ive re read this whole thing and no one has. Im talking about reasons other than religious beliefs, and dalicia's reason of making it look better... Lmao
wow these poor babies! I think you're really doing it because someone you look upto and respect, maybe in your family, has told you its the thing to do. Damn tradition....Research it first for your baby's sakes!

Well i've done my best for these babies by trying to get through to you guys...

Read the cons to it that hunter has found plz dalicia
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replied February 14th, 2006
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Your acting like an immature little child allie.


I'm having my son circumsized for many reasons other than the way it looks, shut your mouth I can talk for myself thanks.


Being circumsized lowers the risk of uti, and a lot of other health problems. I haven't met anyone unhappy with a circumsized penis, nor have they had any problems.


Men who haven't been circumsized I have heard a lot of complaints from, but then again, it's common where your from and not common in the u.S. If you don't wanna have your son circumsized then simply don't, it's your choice and there's no need for anyone on this forum to bicker back and fourth like little children.


And to people who are saying "knocked up teen" this is a teen pregnancy forum, don't like it? Then simply get the f*ck out of this forum and stay in the "pregnancy" one.

By the way, being circumsized isn't painful if they get pain medication, which in my state you choose to do. I haven't met one single person who's actually remebered being circumsized either.
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replied February 14th, 2006
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Ok then..
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replied February 14th, 2006
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Mhm =)
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To whoever said girls laugh at guys that are not circumsized... I wouldn't laugh but I also wouldn't know what to do with it.

As for circumsizing my child - if I have a boy then it's pretty much going to be up to my fiance, as he has a penis and I don't.
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