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Chronic Epididymitis (Page 10)


September 16th, 2010
Experienced User
Thanks DSteak, just one more thing did you have tenderness(also very sensitive) in the scrotum I'm assuming those symptoms of pain, tenderness and discomfort are coming from the inside. Just wanted to know and to see if you experienced the same thing.
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replied September 16th, 2010
Yeah, it was definitely tender and would become more sore when touched.
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replied September 16th, 2010
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DSteak, when you have intercourse with your girlfriend does it help? or how do you feel afterwords? From what I read some men feel better but others don't what about you? Some doctors indicate that is good to have intercourse because you're draining those tubes. According to them is like brushing your teeth we need to do it to have them clean and not dirty what's your take on that?
Everyone who wants to participate or join this conversation is welcome. Any input or ideas that can help on this are also welcome
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replied September 17th, 2010
Hmmmmm as far as sex, that's a difficult one. It was tough because when I was in a lot of pain, my libido was at zero. However, days where I wasn't feeling quite as bad, sex was a relief from the pain, and I'd personally say it's because it would take my mind off of it.

I also heard about the "draining of tubes" theory and such, but again, I never had an infection. And I still wonder if you do too. I personally think for me, an orgasm would just take my mind off of things for a brief period and I would involuntarily relax my pelvic muscles.

So I say go for it.

A book that helped me a lot was "A Headache in the Pelvis." You may have heard of it. I do feel the authors try to scare you a little bit so you sign up for their clinic in California, but it was a good source to really understand what is going on inside of your body.

So tell me this, are you anxious, uptight, on edge, do you feel yourself clinching your pelvic muscles, even when just sitting down? I remember when I first heard that some men do that, and I couldn't believe it, but I was doing that same thing. That really flipped a switch on inside of me and I was then able to diagnose the problem and fix it, although I'm still not 100 percent.
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replied September 17th, 2010
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I do feel anxious, uptight, on edge about my symptoms and this condition. I'm sure all of that reflects in my genitals because stress and tension tends to reflect there in men. when the symptoms are less in intensity I'm more relax but when they are very strong I'm very worried, anxious and uptight even scared at times of not knowing what's going to happen.
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replied September 17th, 2010
Well, there is your answer then. Some guys store there stress in their pelvis. It's not fun, is it?

Seriously though, read that book and do some of the things I told you and I'm confident you will be on the road to recovery in no time.
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replied September 25th, 2010
How can Epididymitis lead to infertility
Hey guys...i'm 22 and got this horrible "thing" randomly with no sexual intercourse

I've been with Epididymitis for about 7months now...i went to two urologists and the prescribed cipro and i took for a month, but really no results and I'm no fan of meds.

Anyway, I feel a slight discomfort in my right testi and rarly in my left testi....I sometimes feel a sensation which feels wierd...

what I want to know is what does this have connection with orchitis and infertility.... Because I looked up online and these are possible effects of of Epididymitis.

I love children and one day I want to have have kids but it is truly devastating if this thing leads to infertility. When I masturbate things are good...but with these complications from Epididymitis could lead to orchhtis and testis shrinking....

Like people said in these posts ....mental is a huge part of the problems....I am willing to live freely as long as I know complications wont arise....

Please if you have any advice or good knowledge about this let me know so I can live freely....

Thank you
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replied October 6th, 2010
I was stressed out too because I was worried about infertility. I would only be concerned about that if you feel that you do indeed have an infection. If it is strained muscles like I had, then no infertility won't be an issue.
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replied October 9th, 2010
Hi, I am 33 years old, and I got this chronic problem for over a year. After getting the antibiotics treatment and saw palmetto for the past few months, my condition is now improved significantly, but is still not fully cured.

I just have some questions to consult with you guys -

1. I learned from damaja23's post that saw palmetto alone may not be very useful, and is better with pygeum. I wonder if there is a recommended brand or vendor for this complex supplement.

2. About diet, I read these things must be excluded from your diet: alcohol, coffee (including tea), soft drink, and spicy food (including garlic). My question is - must all tea and spicy food be avoided without any particular exclusion? My main confusion is that some tea can actually be healthy to human body, so is garlic in terms of anti-infection and anti-cancer. And I used to be a fan of tea and garlic (but no, I was not an addict or heavy user of these two in any sense), but not any more after learning about these taboos. I guess my main question is whether there is some kind of "fine print" for this taboo list; otherwise, I really feel I am forced to stay away from some good things for no good benefit.
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replied October 11th, 2010
My story: How I defeated "Epididymitus" (took patience
Hey, folks. I have been dealing with "Epididymitus" since February of this year. I'd feel an acute pain right above the right testis--it was tender, it hurt like mad, and I had no idea why it was hurting like it was. Sometimes it would switch to the other testis so that both would hurt. Depression, anxiety, and severe grumpiness resulted from it (the pain, of course, was a result in and of itself). It seemed to be especially painful after heavy physical activity.

Went to the urologists (I saw three). They told me it was because of varicose veins in my scrotum. I couldn't deny that I didn't have 'em cause I did (ultrasound proved it); it also hurt in my abdomen kind-of to "bear down" (i.e. use the muscles you would when you pee or take a crap). They suggested surgery to fix the problem. I agreed and went under the knife. The pain was gone for a month. During that time, I was doped up on Lortab and resting a LOT (note that I was relaxing like I hadn't done in months/years). I felt well enough to work after a while. Soon after, my pain returned in all of its dreadful agony.

I found these message boards. DSteak mentioned pelvic muscles. I learned about trigger point therapy. I learned about muscles pinching nerves. The pain was enough of a motivator to learn everything I could about it.

In my opinion, this is where things get important:

Went back to the urologist, he told me that urologists use the term "epididymitus" to refer to pain in the groin (he told me this because I told him--accused him--that the surgery he recommended and performed was dead wrong). In other words, he said that doctors use the term in general terms. It doesn't have to BE epididymitus for them to refer to the pain as such. That's when I realized that my research was more important than his opinions.

After looking into trigger point therapy, I found a knot of tenderness about a half inch down and then 2 inches to the left of my bellybutton. I felt pain there when I stretched/arched my back as I leaned back in my chair (I work in an office). It wasn't massive pain but it was a consistent painful twinge that happened each time I stretched. There were also various other knots in my pelvis (or so I thought/felt). I learned how to massage them since I found trigger point therapy books on Google Books.

It took about 2 weeks of massaging knots and forcing myself to relax and not worry about whether I was going to get downsized out of my job. That's when the pain started to reside. I learned more about my condition.

I learned that the Psoas (researching how to stretch THAT muscle took much of the pain away), if continually tightened (i.e. if you're always sitting or if your stress focuses in your pelvis), can transmit this constant tightness down the lines of nerves until it ends up in your balls--i.e horrible pain.

In other words, and as what DSteak has been saying for pages, this is muscle related. I imagine it can be infection-related but for those of you that have taken em and they haven't worked... Aren't you just about ready to do just about anything to get rid of this? Could it be so elementary as "tight muscles"?

Consider this:
Tighten your hand into a fist. Not a pansy fist either. Keep it that way for half a minute. Loosen it. Then tighten it for a whole minute. Is a bit tired?
Imagine tightening it for an hour.. a day.. several days... a month... SEVERAL months now.. Think some nerves are going to be pinched by then? It's going to hurt and you won't know why because after a month of tightening it, you'll have forgotten that you have. In fact, you're now distracted with the pain; you may now not remember how to loosen those muscles. See the application here?

This post is too long I think... I have more info if anyone's interested. I sit before this monitor virtually pain free. It's only a shadow of what it once was--thank the Lord Smile.

Also, this trigger point therapy/massaging/educating myself didn't cost me anything but time.
On the other hand antibiotics, surgery, and doctor visits cost me THOUSANDS SadSadSad. And recovery is horrid. And apparently my fiance (at the time, wife now) says I'm a complete !**@! when I'm on the pain killers during recovery. Although it probably is good that I got rid of those varicose veins.
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replied October 12th, 2010
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Hi RedBaseballCap,

I would definitely love to learn more about this and how your resolved your problem. I too have been having this problem for about 4 years now with pain, tenderness and discomfort mostly on my right side sometimes in my left too but mostly my right. Had tried pretty much everything. Can you tell me more about your approach and techniques or pelvis Doctors/therapist you recommend. Please tell me anything that you think would be of importance thank you very much.
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replied October 12th, 2010
Hey guys!
Well I've been dealing with pain in the right testicule for about 6 months now. These are a cople of my observations. It gets worse for a couple of hours after I eat sugary foods of potatoes. It gets better when I take Oil of oregano (not cured). Also I took 2 weeks of Nystatin for Oral trush lately and my symtoms were better during the treatment and 3 days after the treatment it got worse. Everytime I mention that to my DR she doesn't see a link with any fungal problem??? Also if I increase my blood flow without hurting my testicule it helps for a while, even during a erection.
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replied October 12th, 2010
My procedure
@Magic7508
Sorry for writing a novel for my first post. This one won't be any different.

To understand what I did, I may have to tell you my circumstances. I can't give a cut-an-dried procedure that'll take care of anything since people react to stress differently. Try gleaning what you can from my experience, I suppose. Then go from there. Hope it's not too much info.

Ready for story time? Razz It'll get boring for a bit here so bear with me. Okay, so I had just met this woman that I took a strong liking to. I hadn't dated for around 2 years so to finally be attracted to someone was a big deal, and it became an even bigger deal because she reciprocated. It was really scary (all the unknowns, commitment, etc--real stressful). Then graduation from University was impending and I had no job. I had been looking for one for almost 5 months (people look for one for far longer, I know. But I stress easy). I then asked the girl to marry me (the stress compounded later as I realized what I had done). Add that to the fact that I was in debt and still jobless... I found myself shaking at times due to stress and fear. I heard back from one job and I ended up landing it. Instead of feeling relieved, I immediately felt like they were going to fire me if I wasn't good enough. It was an office job so I was sitting about 7-9 hours a day. I could go on and talk about the wedding that my lady and I had to plan but whatever. You get the idea. I stress about things. Meanwhile, i was dealing with this pain which was a stressor in and of itself.

This was the procedure I used to tone down the pain little by little until it left me for the most part (I still experience slight pain but it's only occasionally--I just follow my routine again and it goes away):

- Relax.
If you're stressing too much, take 30 minutes a day and devote it to relaxation. YouTube "Diaphragmatic Breathing for relaxation" (or google it). Find one that you like. Google "Self-Hypnosis". I don't mean to sound like a shrink here but you may find ways to face your anxiety. As a side note, google "myofascial pain".

- Stretch your psoas
(they're two muscles that go from your spine to deep within your pelvis). How do you stretch it? YouTube it. Seeing a video is a lot more effective than me trying to type out an explanation. This is especially important because your psoas has a bunch of nerves in it--it's somewhat unique amongst most muscles. If you've always got it tightened, those muscles pinch those nerves; those nerves signal pain; and that pain radiates down to your balls. Ouch.

- Search your body for tender spots.
Often we experience "referred pain". This means that pain isn't necessarily in the spot where the problem actually is. For example, if you hurt your lower back doing something, you may feel pain (or uncomfortable tingling) in your foot. How? The sciatic nerve goes from your back to the bottom of your feet; tense muscles in your back pinch the nerve up there and the pain radiates all the way down to the foot.

- Massage those tender spots.
Don't ram your fingers into them, though! Smooth the tender spot out somewhat gently. You need to do this a few times a day for a number of days. Google "Trigger Point Therapy for <part of body where the knot is>"

- Discover if "bearing down" temporarily relieves your pain.
Bearing down is what women are instructed to do when they're in labor. It's also the muscle action every human on earth performs when they're urinating or defecating. When we bear down, we relax muscles so that waste can leave our bodies. Try doing this when you don't need to take a leak or crap. You may be surprised at how much it relaxes certain muscles in your pelvis.

Again, doing all of this in a hour won't "cure" you. Despite what you think you're looking for, you aren't looking for a "cure"--you're recovering. Recovering implies that it may take some time. Take hope in the small advances you make and don't lose it. If you're recovering little by little, the pain will go away eventually. You built up to this pain, so start easing off of it.

Keep in mind that this worked for me because my pain was stress & muscle related. I knew this wasn't infection-based because I took a lot of antibiotics over time with no result. I knew this wasn't varicose vein-related because I got the surgery with no relief in pain. My diet is such that fungal-based pain was *highly* improbable (impossible for me, in my opinion). If you have fibromyalgia.. that's a different animal. But you'd most likely start feeling that in ALL of your joints (especially over a 4 year period).

It's my opinion that this is and will always be a muscle-related issue. This is why doctors don't know much about it despite the hordes of men suffering from it--this pain doesn't fall beneath the umbrella of their knowledge. Physical therapists are more likely to know more about it.

Anyway, good luck. Let me know how it goes. I still get minor (reminder) pains when I exercise my lower back more than usual. Stretching and de-stressing are real important.
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replied October 18th, 2010
Hey Guys!
Well last Friday my Dr prescribed me 150mg of Fluconazole (Difulcan) the next day I felt really good followed by good then it relapsed. Could it be that I need a stronger dose or was it the ani-inflammatory effect of the med? It had me dreaming for a while, I thought that the end of this crap was near.
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replied October 18th, 2010
Matchou -

It's the placebo effect that you experienced. Every time I took a new med, I'd feel better for about a week, and then the pain would return and I would get depressed.

The reason this happens is because you assume that the new med is going to solve your problems, so you relax your mind and therefore your pain dissipates.
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replied October 18th, 2010
I understand where you're going with this but no way, ist I figured that it would take roughly 2-3 days before it would work, the effect was within 1/2 day + it went from 7/10 pain to 1/10 maybe 2/10 tops for those 2 days, I actually started dreaming again of being normal for those 2 days. If someone tells me that the drug has a anti-inflammatory effect (that I'd believe) but no way would the placebo effect be so dramatic. When I take a anti-fugal, Oil of Oragano it helps some but this time the Difulcan really helped. Once Guys wrote on page 2 that Lamisil cured his problems, he took it for 3 months, try to convince your Dr to prescribe an anti-fungal for 3 months.
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replied October 18th, 2010
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So what are you going to do Matchou? So is it the placebo effect or the medicine? how can one truly knows? Do you apply the oil of oregano to the area or do you take pills etc. what has helped you the most? any more suggestions by one who has had good results. I'm doing my praying, streching, eating healthy, resting, walking and some days are better than others but the pain/discomfort/tenderness at times is really bad. More suggestions are welcome by anyone
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replied October 18th, 2010
Yeah Matchou, same for me. I remember the mornings before a doctor's visit would be horrible. My pain would be dramatically increased because I was afraid of what they would tell me. Nearly every single time I saw the doctor, I'd feel better because they'd always offer solutions, and I would think to myself, "This is going to work, it has to."

And it would! I remember as soon as I'd leave the doctor's office, my mind would be at ease and the pain would cease for several days. Then, as soon as I'd feel a little "twinge" of pain days later, my anxiousness would return, my fatalist thoughts would re-enter my mind, and I'd be back at square one.

I imagine if you really do have an infection, the anti-fungal stuff, Lamisil, or whatever, would help. Now, if you don't actually have an infection, as was my case and RedBaseballCap's case, then the reason your anti-fungal meds help is because psychologically you feel better when you take them. And if it works, it works, right?

Really, the only other contribution I have to the conversation is to read what RedBaseballCap wrote. He said everything that I believe and is much more knowledgeable about it than I am.

Magic, it sounds like you are on the right path. Keep staying positive, stay with your routine, and again, what helped me the most was seeing a counselor. All of the physical pain causes a lot of emotional pain and stress that really needs to be let loose and talked about. If it just mulls around in your head, it will only cause more stress and of course more physical pain.
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replied October 18th, 2010
I don't know boys.
When I took the antibiotic 5 months ago, it was actually worse... There's no way that it can go from 7/10 pain to 1/10 pain in 1 day, I understand the Placebo affect, I've been dealing with urogenital issues for about 2 years now. The Dr only prescribed me one dose of 150 mg of Difulcan, Like Dsteak sais on page 2, he took Lamisil for 3 months. Try to convince your Dr to do that.. For the 1st time in 5 months those 2 days of peace was refreshing.
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replied October 18th, 2010
I heard a report in Canada that people who were treated with a long course of Ciprofloaxin (me, 6 weeks) that it not only kills your bad bacteria but the good as well and it can take a very long time or for some never... for the good to come back. I know that when I invlove sugar it's worse and when I took oral Nystatin it was better and the one dose of Difulcan gave me hope for 2 days.. it could be fungal, I'm no Dr but I imagine fungal issues could even give you muscle spams which could give you urogenital problems... When I get an erection the pain goes away, maybe the increase blood flow to the epididymitis. When My right boy hurts bad it even look bad, it's swollen and ridding higher than my left, when it feels better it looks more in a neutral position. In my mind PLacebo efect can only do so much. I know that for regular antibiotics they have a anti-inflamatory effect, if Difulcan does that, well i would make sense to me why I felt so much better for 2 days, and again it looked alot better too.
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