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Gout, Ph of Foods, And Tomatoes (Page 2)


July 7th, 2011
Yes, I have a thought on this and it is a reflection of the frustrating time I've had in finding information regarding diet, purine levels, ph balance and what-not to prevent gout attacks. There seem to be very few sources of information that correlate accurately this data meaningfully so that it's of significant use to gout sufferers.

I'm pretty sure that most of you out there have scoured the net, researched libraries, listened to doctor's orders, etc., but have come up with very few definitive answers regarding overall treatment for those of us afflicted with gout. Often times data and information is contradictory, vague and generally of no use.

As laerley mentioned above, effective treatment and control comes down to individual body make-up and functions. Some people can handle certain foods better than others, some people's digestive systems work more effectively and so forth. I've decided that it's a matter for each individual to find out what works best for their own situation.

I've only been recently diagnosed with the condition and it is probably the most painful thing I've physically had to endure. And like many others out there, a desperate search in the midst of a flare up can be a frustrating and mind-boggling effort. Short of cutting off my foot, I've just got hang in there.
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replied July 9th, 2011
Any More Suggestions?
Ok I'm still lost and don't know what to do about my gout and blood ph levels. Baking soda and water are not a good idea because 1/8 tsp of baking soda is 6% of your sodium for the day. So 2 tsp is 112% of your sodium intake for the day. Per somebody elses suggestion I got some antacid which is calcium carbonate. I got the ultra strength which is 1000mg per 2 tablet serving.
I am on a juicer diet so my goal was to bring my tomato juice cocktail up to a 7.0 neutral ph. After adding 24 antacid tablets to my 1 gallon jug of juice and only raising the ph from 4.7 to 5.5 (using digital ph meter). I decided to test the alkaline of just the antacid and water. I ground up 12 antacid tablets and blended it with 1 Cup of water (Prior to mixing the water was a 7.5 PH). After mixing the antacid with water I found that the water was now a 6.0 PH and still acidic. I tried both types of antacid the peperment and assorted fruit and got about the same results with each.
So baking soda is out, calcium carbonate is out. What can a person mix with their acidic foods/drinks, that is not harmful that will at least make the food/drink ph neutral?
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replied December 20th, 2011
Venting...
There has to be a simplier answer don't you think. I 50, had my first attach in November -had three series of steroids in three weeks. The swelling went down and about 90% of pain, but I still have pain in this toe. The doctor said that I have severe arthritis in that toes in addition to the gout. The joint is practically fused. Who has time or money to measure the PH in foods. What I could use is a definitive "simple" solution. What to eat? What's left to eat? Right now I like ketchup, tomato sauce, very little meat, mostly chicken. Not everyday, but several times a week. But I do use a lot of salt, more than the recommended amount. I'm also on Liptor. No one really answered if Tomatoe sauce was ok or not. Liptor, I've been on for 10yrs or more, and now that it is finally going generic you say that it can cause gout attachs. CRAP... What is the alternative?
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replied December 21st, 2011
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SunnyV

In a very large study, diet has been shown to have only little effect on gout flares. Instead of focusing on how you eat, focus on how you sleep. Your gout may be the result of sleep apnea -- the frequent cessation of breathing for many seconds at a time while you sleep. Your high cholesterol without lipitor may also be the result of sleep apnea. Get tested for sleep apnea, and follow whatever treatment is recommended. If you overcome sleep apnea you can prevent future gout flares immediately and gradually lower your cholesterol too so that you may be able to get off of lipitor.
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replied December 21st, 2011
Im fairly certain I don't have sleep apnea, but it is nice to know. It really scared me that they said I would more than likely have another flare up within a year of the first. My doctor wants me to go on gout medication, but I don't want that. Once you're on, you can never go off. I know someone who has had flare ups and he is taking tumeric and cherry juice. He said it is working for him, have you heard any results or studies about tumeric?
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replied December 7th, 2012
Yes,
Yellow tumeric has 7.4pH. Orange or red tumeric has 8.5pH.
Becareful when eating tumeric for curing gout because tumeric also using as blood thinner herb in Oriental Medecine.
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replied December 22nd, 2011
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Before I found out I had sleep apnea and still suffered from gout, turmeric was one of the alternative remedies I tried. Every remedy that I tried seemed to have some benefit at first, but the benefit disappeared a short time later.

Before I got smacked with a potentially serious consequence of my sleep apnea leading to its diagnosis, if anyone had asked if I had sleep apnea, I would have said no. Before that no doctor pursued the possibility of sleep apnea, because I have never been overweight, and they seem to buy into the medical legend that obesity is a necessary condition for sleep apnea. After overcoming my sleep apnea by ensuring that I never sleep on my back, my gout disappeared immediately and completely.
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replied December 22nd, 2011
Any chance you really did not have gout in the first place? That is really strange, you are the first one to mention that in all my research. I will speak to my doctor and see what she recommends. I also have advanced osteo. arthritis in the same toe, joint is very narrow, so I would have some pain even when there is not a gout flare up. It is difficult for me to determine which pain I'm experiencing. It is never gone, but sometimes worse than others. I have not been pain free in over a year and a half, but the severity has decreased with the injections. I just don't want to have them anymore. Thanks for your help, I know there is no cure or real answer as someone above mentioned, everyone is different and their triggers are different. I think I will start a food diary/pain diary and see if I can figure out how I can make any adjustments. Wish me luck.
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replied December 23rd, 2011
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My gout was diagnosed early on by a rheumatologist who viewed my aspirated joint fluid under a polarizing microscope to verify that there were monosodium urate crystals in it - the only definitive test to diagnose gout. I suffered with gout for 15 years, rejecting any medication that I would need to use for the rest of my life. More recently, my primary care physician's testing of all his gout patients for sleep apnea showed that a majority of them had it, even when there was no other reason to suspect it. If you or your doctor want to find medical literature on the connection of gout with sleep apnea, you can find it listed at the Pubmed website operated by the US National Institutes of Health by entering gout and apnea in the search box at that website. It is an embarrassment to modern medicine that this connection is not common knowledge. Your particular situation, however, is complicated by the presence of osteoarthritis in the same joint. The use of steroids is a temporary measure for pain relief, but is dangerous to continue over a long period of time.
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replied December 3rd, 2012
Stomach pH not related to blood pH
pH level in the blood and pH level in the digestive system are maintained differently. Our bodies maintain pH level in the blood by keeping a certain amount of carbon dioxide in the bloodstearm. Carbon dioxide reacts with water to produce a weak acid--carbonic acid. If one expels too much carbon dioxide (by blowing up a several balloons, for example, blood pH goes too high--too alkaline, that is--and one will feel effects such as dizziness and hiccups. pH level in the digestive system, on the other hand, is maintained by the presence of buffers, mainly in the stomach--this buffer system compensates for excess acidity or alkalinity, so that taking in acidic or alkaline foods in normal quantities will not significantly change pH levels in the stomach.
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replied December 3rd, 2012
Just FYI ... cherries or 'juicy juice' cherry juice 100% juice no sugar added. Drink a cup a day and it sifts out the uric acid out of your liver which in turn assists in avoiding flare ups with Gout.

I did this for many years and it barely ever flares-up. But also within the past few years I was diagnosed with MTHFR a defiency in B12, folic acid and B6 but I need the converted form of B12 which is methylB12. Maybe you have a defiency in B12 which also causes gout.

So try one or both but I'd suggest the methylB12 1000 over the regular form it absorbs quicker into your system.

Secondly uric acid build up ... what a pain. I have this in my knees, feet, hands. But what I discovered also is that 2 hours before or after a meal get a glass of water and put a spoonful of 'arm & hammer' baking soda in it, stir and drink. By doing this it dissolves the crystals around the joints. You can do this once a day, in a week you will feel a big difference. Also, when doing this be sure to drink plenty of water through out the day such as 8 - 8oz water.

Enjoy!
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replied April 9th, 2014
gout experiences/therapies/triggers
I have had my third major flare in about 8 years since my first gout attack. This time it was triggered by a blow to my wrist, which fooled me: I thought I had a fracture (went for xrays) and didn't think gout/NSAID quickly resulting in the most appalling (you really do think about amputation) pain for nearly two weeks, one week of which without any proper sleep at all. Four weeks on I am in recovery gradually, after the gout spread to a little finger, ankle and big toe (again).

I am now combating the systemic problem on all fronts: diet, acupuncture, rest, holistic therapy, occasional NSAID etc. I have recently had very bad sleep patterns and this doesn't seem to be a coincidence.

My GP did not know that a trauma can provoke gout attack. I am doing everything I can to avoid permanent drug therapy which I regard as a plaster to stick on a a failing system ignoring the "why" it is happening at my own peril.

My first acupuncture session made my feet feet much "lighter" and better.

Tomato sauce seems a definite trigger for me, also prawns,wine, pork, especially salami type sausage. I am eating mostly whitefish and vegetarian now, teetotal, no coffee or fruit drinks. Good luck to fellow sufferers out there, I think only a "goutee" knows how bad it is.

PS I am not fat, am quite "fit" in point of fact, with generally good junkfree diet. My first attack happened at a period when I was a regular gym goer, also with a heavy physical daily work profile. It is simply rubbish to say all gout sufferers are overweight/unfit. Have genetic forbears with gout however.
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replied May 28th, 2014
For the poster that indicated he had never seen a slender, active person leading a healthy lifestyle with gout, guess what? I am that person! Just because you have never seen/met one, does not mean we don't exist. I am 5ft 7", tall and weigh, 122 lbs. I walk 2-3 miles every day and eat very healthy, no processed foods, sugars, soft drinks or fruit juices or caffeine. Up until I was diagnosed with gout, I also ate all organic whole grained foods, grass fed meats and free range, air chilled chicken. I also have Crohn's disease, so being diagnosed with gout for me was like a double edged sword. Things that worked for my Crohn's , actually triggers my gout. I have had to completely cut out all meats and whole grain foods. I am now basically vegetarian. However, no more gout attacks and my Crohn's is in remission. Never judge a book by its cover.
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replied May 28th, 2014
For the poster that indicated he had never seen a slender, active person leading a healthy lifestyle with gout, guess what? I am that person! Just because you have never seen/met one, does not mean we don't exist. I am 5ft 7", tall and weigh, 122 lbs. I walk 2-3 miles every day and eat very healthy, no processed foods, sugars, soft drinks or fruit juices or caffeine. Up until I was diagnosed with gout, I also ate all organic whole grained foods, grass fed meats and free range, air chilled chicken. I also have Crohn's disease, so being diagnosed with gout for me was like a double edged sword. Things that worked for my Crohn's , actually triggers my gout. I have had to completely cut out all meats and whole grain foods. I am now basically vegetarian. However, no more gout attacks and my Crohn's is in remission. Never judge a book by its cover.
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replied February 23rd, 2016
Wow! The number of people here who are slim and healthy, yet have gout is very concerning. What chance do I have being I'm neither slim nor healthy? That is supposedly my goal, according to all accounts. In my case, it seems directly correlated with weight gain and high purine intake. Over did, the sardines and honey on my health kick. On that note, I must warn others what my research has uncovered.

Honey and all sugar is bad for gout. Specifically the fructose.

Fructose has a twofold effect in raising uric acid levels. It interferes with uric acid elimination in the kidneys. Plus fructose metabolism in the liver creates uric acid as an end product. That includes raw honey, molasses, HFCS, sucrose, all sugar. All of these contain 50% fructose.

Another concern with fructose metabolism is its preference to add the excess that isn't converted to energy, to only visceral fat cells (beer belly), the worse kind of fat and weight gain. Fat cells also increase uric acids levels and inflammation through oxidation and cell turnover.

Skip the honey and all added sugar with gout. It is a systemic poison that goes way beyond just gout concerns.

Do your own research. Go to PubMed and enter fructose metabolism, uric acid in the search box for the scientific studies done.
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