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September 27th, 2007
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Eiri wrote:
Birch wrote:

Guest's questions are legit, Eiri - colleges and professors are not automatically free from bias.

Well that's why I answered them. Also, they weren't too personal so I felt safe answering.


Riiiiight...that's why you answered them without of any kind snotty, arrogant attitude. You sound as if you were 13 and a newly minted teenager.

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replied September 27th, 2007
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I answered them, I never said I didn't think they were stupid an useless Wink
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Yeah but Birch, come on, Gu£st DID ask them in the style of a Gestapo officer...

...it made me laugh.
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Lol, exactly hehe XD
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replied September 29th, 2007
Hello.

I was away from home for a while and didn`t check these boards.

I didn`t expect so many answers and sincerly I didn`t read all of them ( 9 pages Neutral ).

But the answers that I read were the same old yadda-yadda-bla-bla.

Like that famous statement: "Animals also have homosexuality, we "are animals", thus we have homosexuality and it`s natural".
Well, animals also eat their own offspring, animals also kill other animals, etc. Is this natural for humans to do? Should we accept infant-cannibalism and m.urder? It`s natural.... like in the animal kingdom. I think not. Studying veterinary medicine, I know that homosexuality in animals is a disorder. And vets treat it this way, as a disorder that needs to go away (I`m talking about farm animals here, not pets).
And let me tell you something else.... humans are something more than animals. We have common sense, we have discernment, we have empathy thowards other humans, we have such many more things than animals. I find it at least offensive comparing a human with an animal. Yes, we are both living things, humans should respect animal rights, but saying that everything that an animal does is natural thus if humans do it too it`s normal, is out of place.
Homosexuality is a disorder, you can`t enforce heterosexuality on someone who wants to live with this disorder. But encouraging homosexuality is WRONG.

Another statement that I read was about Jesus Christ accepting homosexulaity. If you ever hear a christian saying: "I am christian thus I hate homosexuals" then you should know he is not really a good christian. I am Eastern Orthodox, and as I have been taught, christians should not hate/reject homosexuals but they should help them to overcome this condition (which is a sin btw). And I think that if you can`t help him then better leave him alone; not attack him and condemn him for his sin. "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"
But from helping a homosexual and trating him like a normal human beeing to the statement that "Jesus accepts homosexuality" there is a very long way. Jesus doesn`t accept homosexuality, Jesus accepts a homosexual who has repented and quit his old ways and embranced the Light, the Word and the Way.
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" Cor 6:9


Anyway, what I really wanted to know is why the West encourages homosexuality.... why does the west try impose on eastern cultures the acceptance of gay-marriages, gay-adoptions etc. ?
Or is this just another way to make discord between the east and west?
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replied September 29th, 2007
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You got your answer early on. The west does NOT encourage homosexuality. It tolerates it instead of attacks it. We do NOT try to impose ANY of that on anyone. What do you mean by "the east" anyway? For your information, homosexual culture is very accepted (in its own strange way) in Korea, Japan and Taiwan. That's about as east as I can get. Taiwan I believe has special bathrooms for transgendered/hermaphroditic school kids. Have you ever READ yaoi? It's gay cartoon porn, and very popular in Japan! The Samurai had gay relations with their students. Many kabuki actors were gay men who indulged the fantasies of their male fans.
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replied October 1st, 2007
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What do you mean by "the east" anyway?


I`m not talking about Asia.
I`m talking about Eastern Europe, South-Eastern Europe ("The Balkans" - where I come from) and the Middle East.

Recently, the E.U. makes very stupid demands regarding homosexual rights ("homosexual marriages" and so on....)
These demands, their cause being homosexual lobbying, only create discord between western european cultures and eastern european cultures.
These demands only agravate the "cold-war" mentality that has persistent reminants both in western europe and eastern europe.
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replied October 1st, 2007
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The... E.U.?

DEMANDS!? These are human rights you fool!

Yes, I personally DEMAND as a woman the right to own land and vote and to be able to wear whatever the heck I want!!! If I want to walk down the street wearing a miniskirt I'm going to do it.

And no person should EVER be denied the right to be in love or to marry. Yes, I think these men and women should DEMAND to be treated like human beings!!!
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replied October 1st, 2007
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The... E.U.?

DEMANDS!? These are human rights you fool!

Yes, I personally DEMAND as a woman the right to own land and vote and to be able to wear whatever the heck I want!!! If I want to walk down the street wearing a miniskirt I'm going to do it.

And no person should EVER be denied the right to be in love or to marry. Yes, I think these men and women should DEMAND to be treated like human beings!!!


This only shows what an infectious personality you have.

You call me names and don`t even know what you are talking about.
You think that in Eastern Europe/South-Eastern Europe women are treated like in Iran or Soudi Arabia? Well, your lack of knowledge only shows your ignorance and your shelfishness.

Having this debate with a narrow-minded person like yourself is a complete loss of time so I encourage other people to reply to my posts if they want. Any reply you will give me Eiri will be ignored.
Yes mate, you are narrow minded. You know about gay-marriages, animals having gay sex, jesus "accepting homosexuality" and other "vanguard" ideeas but you have no clue about what`s going on in the world. Still, you try to impose your "vanguardism".... isn`t that narrow-minded? Very Happy

But for the sake of enlighting the ignorants here it goes:
The European Union lately tries to impose on new member states from South-Eastern Europe (like Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia) and Eastern Europe (Poland, Slovakia, Cehia etc.) different things. Some are good and progressive, but some are insigative, like the acceptance gay-marriages and gay-adoptions. Eastern European cultures are very conservative, mostly because of their hisotry. So these gay-marriage/gay-adoptions things only create despise towards western EU members who actually run this union.
I was asking WHY, hoping that an active member of the "gay community" and "gay rights movement" would answer my question.
Don`t they realise that they create more hate instead of peace? Is this what we need now?
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But for the sake of enlighting the ignorants here it goes:
The European Union lately tries to impose on new member states from South-Eastern Europe (like Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia) and Eastern Europe (Poland, Slovakia, Cehia etc.) different things. Some are good and progressive, but some are insigative, like the acceptance gay-marriages and gay-adoptions. Eastern European cultures are very conservative, mostly because of their hisotry. So these gay-marriage/gay-adoptions things only create despise towards western EU members who actually run this union.
I was asking WHY, hoping that an active member of the "gay community" and "gay rights movement" would answer my question.


Here's my position, as someone who is a member of the gay community and the gay rights movement:

The whole point of a UNION is to have a cohesive set of economic (free, competitive economy that supports the whole population), social (equal rights, anti-discrimination, etc. etc.) and political (fundamentals of democracy) tenets to... well... be a union.

If you don't like it... lobby against it. The EU is going to try to impose what the majority approves of (to maintain cohesion), which, unfortunately for you, are things you don't like.

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Don`t they realise that they create more hate instead of peace? Is this what we need now?


Is allowing gay marriages REALLY going to create a huge war? If you feel that homosexuality is immoral, then don't get married to a man. You are in no position (and neither is the state, as a matter of fact) to determine what other people can or can't do with their personal lives, when it's not causing harm to other people. If this goes against Eastern European belief then the solution is simple: Don't join the EU.
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replied October 1st, 2007
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balkan riot wrote:

But for the sake of enlighting the ignorants here it goes:
The European Union lately tries to impose on new member states from South-Eastern Europe (like Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia) and Eastern Europe (Poland, Slovakia, Cehia etc.) different things. Some are good and progressive, but some are insigative, like the acceptance gay-marriages and gay-adoptions. Eastern European cultures are very conservative, mostly because of their hisotry. So these gay-marriage/gay-adoptions things only create despise towards western EU members who actually run this union.
I was asking WHY, hoping that an active member of the "gay community" and "gay rights movement" would answer my question.
Don`t they realise that they create more hate instead of peace? Is this what we need now?


So don't join the European Union! No one if forcing those states to join. If you want to stay backward and ignorant, stay separate.

Homosexual people are born that way. Homosexual people have consensual sex with other adult homosexuals. This cannot harm you in any way. Any hatred of gay people is caused by fear and ignorance.
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replied October 5th, 2007
personally i believe every person should have the right to choose whatever sexuality that they want... whatever they choose.. more power to them......

but i have plenty of friends and know plenty of other people, most are lesbians, some gays, and some bisexuals, in the east where i live and it's more than accepted mostly because many people in our area are homosexual....

also, i too, have opened up to homosexuals more compared to how close minded i used to be on the subject and have even become a teensy bit hypocritical to how i used to think because i too, am now becoming more bisexual than just straight....

what i don't understand though, is why lesbians are so excepted, and gays are bashed for their sexuality??? it's the same damn thing; just a different sex.....
so why do they have to be treated differently????
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replied October 5th, 2007
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Ok Balkan.. prove to me that homosexuality is not found at all in nature. Please don't sermonize; your myth means less to me then cat box droppings; those at least are real.
Pony up old man.
Prove homosexuality does not exist in nature.

And get an education while you are at it.. while cannabalism is not approved in western culture it is practiced other places and has been practiced in the past.

Studying veterinary medicine, I know that homosexuality in animals is adisorder.

Riiiggghhttt.. so your are a student of veterinary medicine which makes you all of a sudden delusional about knowing the animal kingdom better then the certified, degreed, experienced, licensed biologists.. sorry not buying that one.

Anyway, what I really wanted to know is why the West encourages homosexuality.... because unlike you they are not afraid of it.
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replied October 6th, 2007
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armywife5607 wrote:


also, i too, have opened up to homosexuals more compared to how close minded i used to be on the subject and have even become a teensy bit hypocritical to how i used to think because i too, am now becoming more bisexual than just straight....



here you go proof of homosexuality being a learned behavior..
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replied October 6th, 2007
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I'm not going to deny SOME homosexuals and bisexuals are "learned". I do believe however that those who are "learned", often go back to straight behavior and call themselves Bi to save face. Other were simply experimenting, and there's no shame in that.

However, there is a difference between learning to become something, and "learning" aka discovering, that you ARE.

When I was a kid, I did not even know homosexuality existed. If I had been lesbian, I probably would have felt a discord inside of me, but I would have faked being attracted to boys because that's what I thought was the only option. I discovered homosexuality somewhere in middle-school. If I was lesbian, at that time I would have suddenly discovered that it IS possible for girls to like girls! I would have "learned" how to be homosexual, but I was actually that way from birth.
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replied October 6th, 2007
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If we violently rejected everything that was not natural (define natural, by the way) we'd still be making shelters out of leaves and starting fires by hitting rocks together until sparks flew.

Also it's hot. Wink

Anyhow, just because your society doesn't accept certain things does not mean that they shouldn't. Hell, back in the 1920s the suffragette movement caused huge amounts of trouble and unrest.. Today we accept that what they did gave women freedom and was therefore a good thing, but when they were in action, the society they lived in generally hated them.

Give it time. In 100 years our descendants will look back and wonder how we could ever be so narrow-minded.
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replied October 6th, 2007
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armywife5607 wrote:


also, i too, have opened up to homosexuals more compared to how close minded i used to be on the subject and have even become a teensy bit hypocritical to how i used to think because i too, am now becoming more bisexual than just straight....



here you go proof of homosexuality being a learned behavior..


Where? I see nothing posted about proof. I see one woman being honest about her attractions. Once again you make assumptions without proof.
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replied October 6th, 2007
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You shall not lie with man as one lies with a women; this is an abomination.
Leviticus 18:22

If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they should surely be put to death.
Leviticus 20:13

These are two of the most quote scriptures when conservative Christians want to justify why they are against homosexuality.

First of all, the Holiness Code of Leviticus was written primarily as a ritual manual for Israel's priests.

Second off, if there are other rituals that Christians are bound to, if they are bound to the above two passages.



Among other things, the Holiness Code of Leviticus prohibits:

Sexual intercourse during a women's menstrual cycle

Tattoos

Wearing certain types of jewelry

Eating certain kinds of meat

Wearing clothing made from blended textiles (cotton-polyester blends)

Cross-breeding livestock

Sowing a field with mixed seed

Eating or touching the dead flesh of pigs, rabbits, & some forms of seafood

Men cutting their hair or shaving their beards
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I don't know of any Christian that follow all of these rituals and rules.

I don't care how spiritual they say that they are.
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You can't focus on one part of the bible while ignoring other parts of the bible. Sloth, Gluttony are two of the seven deadly sins. You know what this means? That overweight people are commiting at least one of the seven deadly sins and most likey two of them.

But people don't go around telling other people that they are going to hell for that reason.

Isn't hell reserved for the wicked? Do you really find homosexuals wicked because they are gay? Is it wicked to be in love with someone, just because they are the same sex? Is it wicked to show affection to someone, just because they are the same sex?

Yes, I'm the one that brought up the quote, "What would Jesus do?" I did so, because from what I have seen from so called Christian Consevatives is exactly the opposite of what Jesus would do.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is the interracial relationship debate of it's day. You can say that this is different, but it is not.

This is no different than when so called Christians were quoting scripture out of the bible to validate their hate against people being in sin of being in interacial relationships.

If this were the early 1900's, I would be living in sin right now, because I am white and my wife is Japanese and the Christian would feel this way, because they would back it up with scripture from the bible.

I find it strange why Christians seem so hell bent on the homosexual issue.

and the answer is always, it's wrong. It's in the bible. Well slavery is in the bible as I have pointed out to guest. So does that make it right? It seems Ok in the bible according to many scriptures. Polygymy also is in the bible. Why don't Christians still practice this?

What about Lott's daughters getting him drunk on wine and then both of them having sex with him while he is in a drunken stupor to bear his children? What's with the incest?

Yet it is homosexuality that is constantly focused on. Is it because gay people are asking for the same rights as straight people? What's the problem? They're good enough to pay the same government taxes as straight people( which by the way the church seems to be exempt from paying), but not good enough to have the same rights when it comes to relationships?

Wow, to me that is like the segragation movement. Equal but seperate. What a bunch of BLEEP!!

Aren't there too many other things in this world that are worth worrying over? There are children dying of starvation and diseases. There is a genocide happening. There is a war going on! Which by the way God's name got involved in on that.

One one side, you have the middle eastern islamic extremists calling for the destruction of Christian infidels and on the other side you have the (not mine) president saying that God spoke to him and told him to go to Iraq. Are you Bleeping kidding me??!! God didn't speak to him and tell him to go to Iraq. That is a real big pile of bleep statement for one and that statement seems to blur the seperation of church and state.

There is too much hate in this world in the name of God and if I remember right, Jesus himself was against organized religion.

I love you Jesus, I'm just not sure about your fan club.
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replied October 6th, 2007
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Very nice post Eric
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over twenty people died today in iraq and bush just veto'd a bill that would provide health care for millions of poor children and we are all worried about homosexuality wow
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