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September 25th, 2007
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United States Of America was founded on the beliefs of God, that is why it is on some legal papers and that is why is it unlawful for a man and man to marry and a woman and woman.. We are a Christian nation.. Laws are trying to over ride this, just like all laws, and most of them for the people that do not believe in our nation being under GOD! They try and remove it more and more all the time..
To suit their ways of life.
For example:

Abortion,
Gay Marriages,
In God we Trust removed from the currency
The ten commands removed from state buildings,
Pray in school.

Do we still tell the truth the whole truth on a bible in court?? I’m sure some one will want that removed too.

Our Nation being founded under God lives by the bible. When it comes to homosexual the bible says it is wrong! Marriage is between a man and a women..

Does it effect me personally if your son or daughter or You are Gay and get married? No! but by the laws of the God nation it is wrong . And with me, it is wrong with GOD!

I often wonder if so many people dislike the God given Nation we have always been. Why not leave instead of changing the nation to fit them!
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There's a little thing called Separation of Church and State. Religion and government are supposed to be kept separate and independent of one another.

There are many, many people living in this country who are not Christian. And I'm not just speaking about athiests/agnostics. Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Islamics, etc. Why do they deserve to have Christian ideals slapped into their face wherever they roam? Because they're in America? Need I remind you that this nation was founded because of religious persecution?

What people dislike is not the nation. People dislike others pushing their ideas onto them. You believe homosexuality is wrong because of your religion, and therefore you're trying to repress another person's civil rights. You see nothing wrong with the Commandments being on state buildings, and don't care if others are offended by them. You think people should just get out of they don't like it, instead of trying to let people believe what they want to believe and not have all this crap pushed on them.
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There's a little thing called Separation of Church and State. Religion and government are supposed to be kept separate and independent of one another.

There are many, many people living in this country who are not Christian. And I'm not just speaking about athiests/agnostics. Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Islamics, etc. Why do they deserve to have Christian ideals slapped into their face wherever they roam? Because they're in America? Need I remind you that this nation was founded because of religious persecution?

What people dislike is not the nation. People dislike others pushing their ideas onto them. You believe homosexuality is wrong because of your religion, and therefore you're trying to repress another person's civil rights. You see nothing wrong with the Commandments being on state buildings, and don't care if others are offended by them. You think people should just get out of they don't like it, instead of trying to let people believe what they want to believe and not have all this crap pushed on them.


As I stated.. USA was fonded as a God Believing Nation.. It changed!! Through out time!!
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Is that your only response? You have nothing to say about a Muslim being offended by Christian words on the currency? Or about civil rights being repressed because of religion?
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I am talking about the begining of our Nation.. Not what has changed over the years. I am talking about why the word God on on some legal documents. Not about what has changed over the years.. I am not talking about all the changes that have taken place over time.. I am talking about how or nation was form as One NAtion under God. before division started.. And division will continue on and one as long as the Earth is here.. I'm not talking about after fact.
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So because the people who left England and established the colonies were also Christian, you believe that America should remain Christian? And ignore the fact that many many many laws went into effect after that? Do you believe slavery should also still be legal, since that's what they had back in the good ol' days?

America is not solely a Christian nation. Many American citizens are not Christian. Are you suggesting that they should just "get over it" because the guys who planted the flag were Christians?
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I am talking about the begining of our Nation..

The founding fathers, for your information, were DEISTS, not catholics or even protestants. That means they believed every religion had the potential to be right, and that everyone had the right to worship whatever they wanted.
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AyaMiyaki wrote:

America is not solely a Christian nation. Many American citizens are not Christian. Are you suggesting that they should just "get over it" because the guys who planted the flag were Christians?

They weren't Wink But most people don't like acknowledging that.
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So they weren't Protestants? Confused Straaaange.
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FYI, one Nation UNDER GOD was changed to include that little phrase AFTER the pledge of allegiance was written. Even when I was in Elementary school I didn't say that part. In Girls Scouts I never said "to serve god" either during the girl scout pledge.
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Yep, all of that is very very recent. Doesn't make it any less offensive.
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AyaMiyaki wrote:
So they weren't Protestants? Confused Straaaange.

Yep! Truth is often stranger than fiction.
Before someone goes and does a search:

No, not ALL of them were deists, but a good many were.
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meblonde01 wrote:

I often wonder if so many people dislike the God given Nation we have always been. Why not leave instead of changing the nation to fit them!


America was supposed to be the nation where anyone could come and be themselves, believe what they wanted to believe, look how they wanted to look, etc.

Everyone fits in here! Except the people who don't believe in freedom... and I mean freedom of thought, religion, spirituality, etc. THAT's what this nation was built on.
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But wouldn't you agree, little by little things are being over ruled? And I don't just mean things you or I agree on, I mean even thing you don't. It's almost like who ever yells the hardest it get a bill pasted.. And before long all laws are changed.. Try to think of something you really didn't believe was right
For instance I always felt if you went to prison, you should not have access to T.V You should be able to read and that's about it.. But now people in prison can work out Watch TV. And I don't know what else. We’ve come a long way, but is it for the good?
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Eiri wrote:
meblonde01 wrote:
I am talking about the begining of our Nation..

The founding fathers, for your information, were DEISTS, not catholics or even protestants. That means they believed every religion had the potential to be right, and that everyone had the right to worship whatever they wanted.


I did some serching on the net eiri.. where do you get your source of information??
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meblonde01 wrote:
But wouldn't you agree, little by little things are being over ruled? And I don't just mean things you or I agree on, I mean even thing you don't. It's almost like who ever yells the hardest it get a bill pasted.. And before long all laws are changed.. Try to think of something you really didn't believe was right
For instance I always felt if you went to prison, you should not have access to T.V You should be able to read and that's about it.. But now people in prison can work out Watch TV. And I don't know what else. We’ve come a long way, but is it for the good?


I agree. Little by little the things that this country was meant to be have been whittled away so slowly and quietly, we barely notice. Before we know it, the rights awarded to us are going to be stripped away. It is not however, the people who yell the loudest that get laws changed. Sadly, it's the lobbyist with the biggest chunk of gold. Money is what turns the great wheels of our democracy.

Separation of Church and state is being blurred.
insurance companies are making millions.
White collar criminals are being handed white collar sentences.
Governments are allowed to hold people in jails with no reason, and no recourse

And the public is soooo fixated n Britney Spears and OJ simpson, they have no idea what is really going on.

It is a very frightening place to live.
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meblonde01 wrote:
Eiri wrote:
meblonde01 wrote:
I am talking about the begining of our Nation..

The founding fathers, for your information, were DEISTS, not catholics or even protestants. That means they believed every religion had the potential to be right, and that everyone had the right to worship whatever they wanted.


I did some serching on the net eiri.. where do you get your source of information??

An American History class I took for one.

I've also done some web searching for you. The following is a fascinating site that I actually like. Yes, it is a Christian man talking about how the founding fathers were Deists and the like, but he also interjects his own comments. I enjoyed skimming it.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/ffnc/
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The early presidents and patriots were generally Deists or Unitarians, believing in some form of impersonal Providence but rejecting the divinity of Jesus and the absurdities of the Old and New testaments.

It was the first result on Google for "deist founding fathers".

Same site, different section.
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Patrick Henry, made a number of statements suggesting that our nation was founded on belief in God, and that it was important to acknowledge God in civic affairs, but Henry lost the battle to put religion in the Constitution. More to the point, Henry was an anti-federalist, and vigorously opposed the Constitution when Virginia discussed ratification. Quoting Henry to prove things about the constitution is like quoting the chairman of the Republican National Committee to prove things about the platform of the Democratic party.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/debate. htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
The article not only mentions the founding fathers, but is an excellent source on understanding Deism.
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"An American History class I took for one. "


who was teaching it?
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Gu£st wrote:
"An American History class I took for one. "


who was teaching it?


A hilarious old man named Doctor Peterson, at The State University of New York in Oswego. I think he's still teaching, but he may have retired last year. The school's website is so bad I bet he's still on the Professor's list though.
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Eiri wrote:
Gu£st wrote:
"An American History class I took for one. "


who was teaching it?


A hilarious old man named Doctor Peterson, at The State University of New York in Oswego. I think he's still teaching, but he may have retired last year. The school's website is so bad I bet he's still on the Professor's list though.


I think you should be careful giving out personal info on the internet. Remember that AmandaSC character awhile back? Yick.
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