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September 20th, 2007
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UCanQuit wrote:
QUOTE "Who is the one thats hateful. You hate religeon an people of it. You make that clear"

You're right. I do not like organized religion, but it doesn't mean that I don't like all the people in it.

There are many people of different faiths that used their faith in the positvie way.

Mother Teresa, Ghandi, Martin Luther King jr and many more. Not to mention there are everyday people of faith any faith that choose not to judge others and try to live with the rule of loving their fellow human being.

Again, why is it OK for a woman to get her father drunk and sleep with him? What makes incest OK?

Why is it not a damnable sin to sit around all day and not do anything ,but watch TV and eat and eat. Sloth and Gluttony are two of the seven deadly sins. Shouldn't Christians be warning there fellow humans that overeating and sitting around all day not doing anything is a damnable sin that can send them to hell?

Don't these two sins apply just as homosexuality in the eyes of the Lord?

Have you ever seen Wife Swap? The Big crazy Christian Lady that was judging the other family, yet she was commiting two of the seven deadly sins?

You cannot pick and choose which sin is damnable, but who is really going to tell her she is going to hell?

My problem is the history of organized religion and the atrocoties commited in the name of God. The hypocricy of picking and choosing what is sinful and what is not to whatever is convienent.

If this were the early 1900's, we would be having this arguement over interracial marriage.

That is my problem.



Eric


You're right Eric You can't sit around and choose what you want to be sin and what you don't just like you can't pick things out of the bible and make it alright to do either. Homosexuality is concered a sin in the bible but some how homosexuals find a way to make it ok in the bible and call themselves christians. But then again so do alot of Christians that arn't christians in my eyes.. What one person thinks is ok isn't to another that the way it's been from the get go and always will be..
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I am Christian but I do not take the Bible as absolute truth. I believe in the morals of the teachings in the bible but not all of it. I can not base all of my views on the teachings of men from thousands of years ago. I follow a path that calls for me to treat all with respect and compasion. I believe Jesus dies for our sins and that HE is my ultimate judge and not any person here on Earth who thinks that a book gives them the right to judge me. I do not belive that an old books gives me the right to tell ANYONE what they are doing and how they are living is wrong and sinful.
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What a hot topic.
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Lots of things are considered a sin in the bible. We pick and choose which ones fit the most conveniently into our lives.
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I do not pick and choose. If it is a sin in the bible, fine. I think what is important is our morals and how we live our lives in relation to how we treat those around us. Forcing your views and opinions on those around us is far worse than homosexuality.
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iridescent_opal wrote:
I do not pick and choose. If it is a sin in the bible, fine. I think what is important is our morals and how we live our lives in relation to how we treat those around us. Forcing your views and opinions on those around us is far worse than homosexuality.


I agree. I am not "forcing" my views on anyone. I stated that I feel homosexuality is wrong and some on here think that I promote hate speech as a result.

The only forcing that I have seen here is those trying to force on me that homosexuality is OK.
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milletics wrote:
iridescent_opal wrote:
I do not pick and choose. If it is a sin in the bible, fine. I think what is important is our morals and how we live our lives in relation to how we treat those around us. Forcing your views and opinions on those around us is far worse than homosexuality.


I agree. I am not "forcing" my views on anyone. I stated that I feel homosexuality is wrong and some on here think that I promote hate speech as a result.

The only forcing that I have seen here is those trying to force on me that homosexuality is OK.


Have you considered the idea that you aren't supposed to judge others? That's in the bible a lot more than not being gay. And saying that someone's lifestyle is wrong IS judging them.

Hmm????
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I like what someone else said, so I shall expand upon it!

1. Gluttony: Why aren't all christians who are anti-homosexuality and very vocal about it, why aren't they just as offended at fat, GLUTTONY people?
Example: "Oh Lord please help these obese people! They are such sinners!! How DARE they consume so much food? I cannot condone such a sickening lifestyle! They should really be put in jail for committing such a heinous sin!"

2. LUST: They're doing fine hating the LUSTful people (as the abortion debate reveals).
Example: "You like sex!? Sex is bad! Sex is for making babies, and ONLY to be done by married couples! All contraception is evil since it interferes with God's Will!!"

3. Greed: I don't see many christians protesting against rich CEOs being GREEDy and taking tons of money. Some people do, but I don't think they protest because it's a sin. They just know it's wrong.
Example: "Arrest the CEOs for being greedy! They're going to hell for being greedy! How can someone live like that!? They should be forced to have signs on their lawns saying "I am a greedy sinner!'"

4. Sloth: And you sure don't see christians parading around all offended about SOLTHful, lazy people.
Example: "How dare you sleep in to noon and not have a job!!! Oh, God! This person is SO horrid!! I cannot condone your lifestyle!"

5. Wrath: Not a whole lot of christians protesting people who are WRATHful, though it may happen... I've just never heard of it.
Example: "Your sins with doom you to hell!! How dare you get angry at other people! You are clearly mentally ill, that's not natural!"

6. Envy: ENVY, anyone? Nope. Don't see christians discriminating against people who want things they don't own.
Example: "You sick-minded person! You want the same TV as your neighbor? How sick can you get? That's disgusting, you sinner! Your children can't go to school with my children! I would never hire you for a job at my place because you're envious!"

7. Pride: And PRIDE... So many christians are ruled by this sin it makes me laugh. And National Pride, something many christians have, "GO USA!!" that's just as evil you know.
Example: "What!? You're proud to be an American? How dare you!!! That's shameful in the eyes of God!!! Don't listen to that sickening, sin-encouraging song: "And I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free" - That song is sung by devil worshipers and SINNERS!"

Nothing I have said is extreme really. The above examples are exactly how some christians react to homosexuality (which isn't even one of the main 7 deadly sins!!!!) yet they DON'T freak out about most of the main 7, except really for Lust.

If you think the above reactions are silly and you are one of those people who are against homosexuality, then maybe you need to do one of two things: Either put as much energy into protests against these sins as you do against homosexuality, OR, relax off of homosexuality!
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milletics wrote:
iridescent_opal wrote:
I do not pick and choose. If it is a sin in the bible, fine. I think what is important is our morals and how we live our lives in relation to how we treat those around us. Forcing your views and opinions on those around us is far worse than homosexuality.


I agree. I am not "forcing" my views on anyone. I stated that I feel homosexuality is wrong and some on here think that I promote hate speech as a result.

The only forcing that I have seen here is those trying to force on me that homosexuality is OK.


Have you ever asked a homosexual how you make them feel?
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No mill,

I said that there is a lot of hate in this world in the name of God. I say that there is a lot hypocricy in the name of God.

You think that being gay is wrong. OK that's fine. So is the overweight Christian person who over eats and doesn't exercise. Are they wrong too?

Aren't their sins just as damnable? Gluttony and sloth?

What about the deadly sin Greed? Is a rich person looking for another tax break greedy? Isn't that a damnable sin? Obviously they are rich and will never go hungry. Do they really need that extra money? Isn't that greed? Isn't that a sin worth going to hell for? After all it is in the all top 7 list of sins.

If you believe that being gay will send someone to hell, then surely you must agree that some of these deadly sins that everday people "commit" must surely mean that they are going to hell.

Right? But somehow Christian concervatives somehow justfiy it when one of their own gets caught in any sin that they originally codemned.

By the way. I am baptized a Southern Baptist So please don't think that I am some athiest just trying to knock God in general.


Eric


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replied September 24th, 2007
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Georgia59 wrote:
milletics wrote:
iridescent_opal wrote:
I do not pick and choose. If it is a sin in the bible, fine. I think what is important is our morals and how we live our lives in relation to how we treat those around us. Forcing your views and opinions on those around us is far worse than homosexuality.


I agree. I am not "forcing" my views on anyone. I stated that I feel homosexuality is wrong and some on here think that I promote hate speech as a result.

The only forcing that I have seen here is those trying to force on me that homosexuality is OK.


Have you considered the idea that you aren't supposed to judge others? That's in the bible a lot more than not being gay. And saying that someone's lifestyle is wrong IS judging them.

Hmm????


I am not judging. God says its wrong therefore it is.
example: if someone commits murder, and I tell them what they did was wrong and what they did is a sin, that is not judgeing. I am stateing a fact.
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replied September 24th, 2007
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"You think that being gay is wrong. OK that's fine. So is the overweight Christian person who over eats and doesn't exercise. Are they wrong too? "

Of course!

You people would have the world believe we pick and choose what is right and wrong and that we simply take a dislike to homosexuals, one of my friends is attracted to members of the same sex, he is one of the best Catholics I know, his faith is so strong, he also actually celebrates his same sex attraction within the Church in that he says it is in his weakness/his fallen nature that God is the strongest in his life.

I know many of you will be confused by that statement and all kind of strange questions will come from that but before you ask why not consider

2 Corinthians 12 St Paul confesses.....

I will not boast about myself, except about my weaknesses. 6 Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will think more of me than is warranted by what I do or say. 7 To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.


When is it that My faith is the strongest, when is it that I least doubt the real presence of Christ in the bread and wine at mass...when I have sinned, when I have been weak, it is then that my faith is the strongest it is then my faith causes me to go to confession, it is then the power of God is is made perfect, for the power of God is love, forgivness and mercy and this is poured out upon me, I experience this and it enables me to gain a better understanding of God.


It is the power of God manifest through my friends weakness that enables him to love others, forgive others and have mercy on others, he is no longer concerned about himself and his own needs, but he is concerned for others and their needs.

He unites his same sex attraction to the lord on his cross, his same sex attraction is crucified, sacraficed to God, his same sex attraction dies with Christ on the Cross and my friend was glorified through and raised with Christ, his being, body and soul transfigured to new life.
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replied September 24th, 2007
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we don't make laws banning mc donalds. We don't make laws banning porn. We don't make laws banning fashion magazines. We don't make laws banning laziness. We DO make laws banning homosexuals to do things the rest of us are allowed to do. Fat people are allowed to marry. Proud people are allowed to marry. etc. So, alhthough one may say all sins are equal in the eyes of god, why is it that the repurcussions of being gay are so much more than those of the other sins?
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replied September 24th, 2007
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Exactly as we have been saying!

Why is homosexuality worse than the 7 "unforgivable" sins?
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Eiri wrote:
Exactly as we have been saying!

Why is homosexuality worse than the 7 "unforgivable" sins?


There is no sin that is unforgivable.
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replied September 24th, 2007
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The Seven Deadly sins are often described as "unforgivable". I realize the whole Jesus thing, I didn't mean to mix the myths and "god forgives" and all that. I meant originally to say "deadly" and just got the wrong word lol.
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sillyakchick wrote:
we don't make laws banning mc donalds. We don't make laws banning porn. We don't make laws banning fashion magazines. We don't make laws banning laziness. We DO make laws banning homosexuals to do things the rest of us are allowed to do. Fat people are allowed to marry. Proud people are allowed to marry. etc. So, alhthough one may say all sins are equal in the eyes of god, why is it that the repurcussions of being gay are so much more than those of the other sins?


Have you seeing a marriage certificate? Do you see how it is written?

it says "in accordance to God.." and well you know God is not in accordance with man-man women-women for marriage.

I think in order for gay marriage to happen civily they should begin at least by taking out all the religious aspect of it if you can. When you see "in accordance to God" what does it tells you? That marriage is a religious institution.
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replied September 25th, 2007
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Our founding fathers founded this country on the belief of freedom of religion. Shouldn't that also include freedom from religion?

Why do Gay people have to follow what Christians say in order to get married? Because it is a religious institution?

My wife is Budhist. She doesn't believe in the Christian God. No one challenged our marriage. No one told us that are marriage was illegal, because she didn't believe in the Christian God.

Why is that? Is it only because she is heterosexual? What about the fact that she denies God?

What about an atheist marrying a Hindu. Why isn't that marriage challenged. No one tells the atheist that in the marriage certificate it says " In accordance to God" so his marriage is illegal, because that person denies God.

There seems to be a seperation of Church and state whne it comes to marriage except when it comes to gays marrying.

If you're Christian and you are against Gay marriage. Then be against it, But people don't need to be married in a church for it to legal. They can get married in a court or on a boat by a captain.

If I wanted to, I could go online and become an ordained minister very easily and I would have the power to legally marry people.

So be against gay marriage. It wasn't all that long ago that a lot of Christians (mostly in the south) that were against interracial marriage and used the God's name to justify their bigotry.


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UCanQuit wrote:


If I wanted to, I could go online and become an ordained minister very easily and I would have the power to legally marry people.

So be against gay marriage. It wasn't all that long ago that a lot of Christians (mostly in the south) that were against interracial marriage and used the God's name to justify their bigotry.


Eric


Sure you can easily have the power to legally marry people. Anyone can do as you say. But one thing is having a marriage certificate document signed and declaring you married and other very different is having a marriage covenant between you, your spouse and God. The last one goes beyond papers and this is what we the chrisitans want to have someday. A pice of paper does not matter to us. A piece of paper does not create a covenant with God..

So I have absolute no problem with gays getting married legally. What I'm saying is the government should not put so many of God in the marriage document because one like you say there is many religion in america and second if its going to be man-man woman-woman that is not "in accordance to God".
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replied September 25th, 2007
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They should take the religious stuff off a marriage certificate period. There are plenty of US citizens that are not Christian who need a license to marry. How offensive for them to have Christian views thrown in their face. Freedom of religion indeed. I think God should enter the picture if the couple chooses - not automatically.
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