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Hallo, I am 25 and I have been suffering from Schizophrenia for the past year and a half. I have done lots of research into possible alternative treatments and have found a very effective one. Niacin treatment. This was discovered by Abram Hoffer. He came up with the term Ortomolecular which means the right combination of vitamins to correct a molecular imbalance in the brain. I have just started on 1500mg today and already my only symptoms of paranoia are disappearing. The key is to get the niacin up to about 4000mg a day without the flushing effect. Ideally the patent should take as much niacin up to the point where they go red and then stop. The body gets used to this meaning no flush and eventually you raise it again until it goes red and you stop, and so on. I live in Ireland so I can discharge myself from the local clinic and taking drugs is not mandatory by law. I plan to leave the clinic soon to try Hoffers approach. Here are some good links that explain everything. I would not recommend going off of drugs and discharging yourself until you are confident that this will work.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_niaci n.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9cg4454mYA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgUvAVQbxDY
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replied April 12th, 2012
Hi, I am 27 and have had been hearing voices off and on (but fairly consistently) for the past few years. I used to have bipolar symptoms starting at 19, but the symptoms began to become more like schizophrenia after a few years. I also recently stumbled upon the dr. hoffer niacin therapy. I slowly have been raising the niacin dose and am up to 1.5grams a day and the voices seem to have gone. I still get them a little, but they now seem to be more like thoughts than voices. I have been reducing the seroquel every two weeks to no detrimental effect. I now take around 50mg/day

Why isn't this treatment given to everyone!?
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replied July 27th, 2012
HOw is the niacin working after a couple of months. I want to do the same time, thanks to abram hoffer.

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replied March 7th, 2014
Hi, Im taking 200 mg of Quetiapine fumarate xr which is the generic for Seroquel xr a day. Can I take 500 mg of niacin no flush and 25 mg zinc to start with. When can I reduce my Seroquel. Im thinking of reducing 50 mg of Seroquel after 2 weeks.
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replied August 22nd, 2012
NIACIN. DUH.
Niacin doesnt only flush more blood to the brain.. Smile it flushes out all the negative statements that there is no cure for psychiatric problems. ( bp, schiz. alz. etc.) Cause the proof is in the "pudding" right? and
Having been schizo and have gone through docter hoffers treatment plan to a full recovery, makes you wanna spread the news on NIACIN and it being the one n only recovery pill''
--thank you doc. hoff.

NIACIN and Vit-C is gods given cure.. keep it up..Smile

20 yrs old, Classic since 1991 Orange County baby..Smile
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replied October 10th, 2012
Kindly let me know how to go about this Niacin program.How to take it.What to take?Vitamin B3 and C ?

our son Daniel 3 mths ago start having psychosis and our psychiatrist start him on seroquel low dosage.still walking up and down most of the day.

I started him on B3 up to 2g a day for two days and yet no much result from it.The only time he slow down walking is when I give up green vege soup and chlorophyll juice.

Pls offer some help assistance for I am in Malaysia,Asia.Anybody in Malaysia who can help my son
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replied October 11th, 2012
read on abram hoffer online.

it depends on the defficiencies your son has.

vitamines that abram hoffer advises (read online) are:

b3 3 x 500mg or more each day (taken with food)
vitamine c (3x 1000mg)
b6
zinc


take care
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replied October 12th, 2012
Hi Karalemlo

Appreciate your sharing and its the heart of care that make you advise me.You very kind and I wish you the best.Pls update any progress of Niacin therapy.I do not have access currently to a orthomolecular therapist in my country so I dont know what my son deficiencies in what mineral or vitamin or allegies or metal toxic.Maybe there are some who have gone through therapy and share how the therapy focus on helping patient with much more guided supplement dosages.Just my thoughts.Thank you very much for responding to my worrisome cry of us parent.
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replied October 12th, 2012
dear john,

I found an article about niacin for you. You can better talk to a proffesional or buy abram hoffers book online. I tried niacinamide but I could hardly notice the difference cause everything went very good for me when I took niacinamide. IT wanst because of the niacinamide. I was just feeling good. So not sure what the effects are of niacinamide. Niacin gives flushes to the skin and is not the same as niacinamide. Some say online that niacin is better. Some say that niacinamide doesnt give flushes and it better. NOt sure


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replied April 21st, 2013
I think is better to consult your psychiatrist again, as the walking up and down you are describing could either be severe anxiety or akathisia, a side a effect from medication. Usually orthomolecular treatments take longer to work, so your doctor may need to add or increase benzodiazepines or adjust the antipsychotic he is taking to help him.
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replied April 4th, 2016
If the plants are grown right(with high mineral soil), it should reduce or eliminate the need to supplement with separate vitamins or minerals. Most soils that our food is grown in are deficient in minerals. Interestingly, the oceans have collected alot of the runoff containing the lands' minerals. To be able to grow our food right, sea minerals can be added back to the soils, and even can be used as a complete spectrum of minerals as a supplement.

Also, unrefined sea salt from the deep parts of the ocean is very mineral-rich and nourishing. And there's a great bonus: it has a wonderful, full flavor, better than regular refined salt.

Hope these things that I've found that help my mental issues will help someone else!
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replied December 26th, 2012
I take SBX Vitamins & Supplements - has 1000mg of Niacin, and other ingredients proven to alleviate the positive & negative symptons of schizophrenia. Got a deal on too... Read on their website about the independent clinical studies for each ingredient included in the sz multivitamin (taken daily along with your meds).
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replied February 8th, 2013
how is it going with your niacin treatment now? any progress or set backs? this approach is very interesting.
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replied April 21st, 2013
Therapeutic effects from niacin use
Hello, I was trained in conventional psychiatry but was greatly influenced by dr Hoffer ' orthomolecular treatments which I came across recently and tried to combine both in my treatments. I would like to hear if any of you had any posive effects with niacin, especially with depression and psychotic disorders. I only had limited experience with niacin treatment so any information will be very helpful. The main problem with side effects was the flushing effect, which most of the patients were not willing to tolerate, so I used non flush niacin. Most patient can not believe that vitamins could be therapeutic for mental illnesses. My most serious concern is liver toxicity, especially with patients who have other health problems or take other medications or alcohol. Thank you
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replied April 23rd, 2013
drEl,

I am planning on starting niacin treatment for myself. Also I have been taking vitamin D and C for about a week. I also have NAC. I have a hard time identifying what my 'symtoms' are. My naturopathic doctors suggested whatever I am going through is probably drug induced. My psychiatrist suggested I am schitzophrenic. I'd be happy to report back to you in a set amount of time on how I'm doing.
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replied May 22nd, 2013
Dr Hoffer saved a lot of lifes with his treatment. Also worth mentioning is Carl Pfeiffer who researched the underpinnings of schizophrenia. He noted that most schizophrenics have either too high or too low histamine. In addition he identified a chemical compound found in schizophrenics (and other patients) that he named Kryptopyrolle.

I have had great success using vitamins. I have high histamine and a dozen food intolerances.

3 g niacin
600 mg pyridoxin
50 mg zinc
200 mcg selenium
600 mg calcium
300 mg magnesium
10 000 IU vitamin D
2 g L-methionine
2 g vitamin C

Note that these are meant for me. And I strongly suggest you consult a naturopath or a orthomolecular specialist before you do like me.
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replied June 23rd, 2013
just starting to take niacin amide
I have tried niacin amide I first took 6000 mg daily-after 3 meals but became nausea I stopped for a month I took the 6000 mg of niacin amide for a month before I became sick from vomiting I am now on 3000 mg -- 1000 mg after every meal. I have been on genetic prolixin at 15 mg now down to 10 mg and to night I will try 5mg. dr hoffer said you should see results in one to three month I also take 3000 mg of vitamin c--1000 after every meal I plan to take vitamin b6 as soon as I buy it dale
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replied August 27th, 2013
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Niacin treatments
user 610146; I am so glad you have began to give natural
supplements for your patients. prescription drugs usually get fast results. However they only treat the symptoms of the problem and not the problem it self.
To answer you concern about liver damage to high does of niacin. There is a type of niacin that doesn not cause the flush nor any liver damage. It is called niacin ( Inositol Nicotinate. Best of luck with your practice.
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replied September 19th, 2013
Niacin
I just started taking 3000 mg of niacin. The last 3 days have been great but today I feel horrible again. I haven't eaten much today and don't have an appetite. I missed my usual flax smoothie, afternoon juicing and large evening salad. Has anyone lost the benefits of niacin after taking it? I haven't flushed in a while either.
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replied November 25th, 2013
I think it is likely that you have run out of the cofactors you need to work with the niacin. Try adding the other items I posted about below in another post.

Niacin doesn't usually work by itself
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replied November 25th, 2013
I use this for my son with schizophrenia. We have found that he has to have more than 300 mg of magnesium a day for it to work. We tried it for a long time and it didn't work until we added more magnesium. He needs more like 300 mg with each meal. Here is our protocol:

Niacinamide 1 gm 3 times a day with meals.
vitamin C 2 gm 3 times a day with meals.
magnesium 400 mg 3 times a day with meals. (we are using a calcium neutralizer in our water so he needs extra magnesium to balance.
P5P (activated B6) about 60 mg a day.
A good multivitamin with 2 mg of copper and 15 mg of zinc. You have to have the right balance of copper and zinc. Don't take a supplement without copper unless you have reason to believe that you are high in copper because this program won't work if you are too low in copper.

It is normal not to get a flush or to only get a little flush after a while when you take 3000 mg of niacin a day. The benefits are the same as far as schizophrenia are concerned, so don't worry if you stop flushing.
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replied November 25th, 2013
hello kimsie I just want to inquire how many years your son suffered schizophrenia? And how many months of taking all the above listed vitamins..because I have also a son suffered for almost 8 yrs.Can I give him niacin flush? Others said give 3000 mg/day is it right? I hope and pray it could heal him..Thank you for answering my inquiries
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replied November 25th, 2013
hello kimsie I just want to inquire how many years your son suffered schizophrenia? And how many months of taking all the above listed vitamins..because I have also a son suffered for almost 8 yrs.Can I give him niacin flush? Others said give 3000 mg/day is it right? I hope and pray it could heal him..Thank you for answering my inquiries
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replied November 25th, 2013
Hello Ayelet,

My son has had schizophrenia for 10 years. When he was first ill we tried giving niacin and other supplements without success. Then we moved into a new home and after 2 months he got well and went off his medications and stayed well for a couple of months but then it came back again. I always wondered why that happened. Now I know that it was because I was giving him the other vitamins but not magnesium, so it wasn't working. At the new house, the water had a magnesium oxide neutraliser in it and the extra magnesium along with the other supplements made him well, but we didn't realize what was happening at the time so we didn't keep giving him the other supplements and he got sick again.

Now, due to the same thing happening to a younger brother, except that the younger brother was getting depressed instead of schizophrenia, I was able to find out exactly how these illnesses are caused, at least for a lot of people, and what to do about it. You don't need to give your son niacin and make him flush, that has nothing to do with how it helps overcome the schizophrenia. You can give niacinamide instead, but you need the other things on my list in the post above, too, or it won't work.

When my younger son was feeling so bad, and I kept thinking that I had found the answer, and then after a few days he started feeling bad again, I would lie on my bed and cry out to God and I always prayed that something good would come out of what we had suffered. I believe that God let my sons get sick so that I could find the answers to help other people and that is why I am posting online.

My son with schizophrenia has only been back on the protocol with added magnesium for 4 days and he is very much improved. At this rate I think that it will take 10-15 days for all his symptoms to go away and for him to be off his medication. He is cutting back on his medications gradually. I know that it will work because it worked before, except that we didn't realize at the time that he got well for a while that it was because we had accidentally added magnesium to his protocol.

It is likely that 3000 mg of niacinamide or niacin will work for your son, along with the other supplements.
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replied January 4th, 2014
I was diagnosed with schizophrenia at 19, and I cured myself that same year with dr. Hoffer''s Niacin treatment. I counted all of it and consumed a total of 400 grams of niacin over the course of 1 month! But it worked and now I think and see normally and clearly. The most I''ve taken in one day was 20 grams! The worse your schizophrenia is, the more niacin you''re body can handle. Also take vitamin C too, but not nearly as much. You only need like a gram or 2 a day IMO. Btw this also works for Bipoalr disorder, Anxiety, depression, and ADD and OCD. I feel like the happiest man alive after being cured and I don''t even need niacin anymore. Well except when I''m stressed or something. Good luck to all!
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replied January 4th, 2014
Niacin does work. My brother has been suffering with schizophrenia for almost 7 years. We tried many anti- psychotic drugs with not very good results. I came across Niacin, while searching for Citicoline and other brain supplements. I read some research of Niacin deficiency. Many people have had great results. After trying so many pharmaceutical drugs with no result, we had nothing to lose but to give niacin a try. He is currently taking 5000 mg of niacin in divided doses, 5000mg of vitamin C and 240 mg of Ginkgo Biloba. He is doing much better.
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replied January 4th, 2014
Niacin does work. My brother has been suffering with schizophrenia for almost 7 years. We tried many anti- psychotic drugs with not very good results. I came across Niacin, while searching for Citicoline and other brain supplements. I read some research of Niacin deficiency. Many people have had great results. After trying so many pharmaceutical drugs with no result, we had nothing to lose but to give niacin a try. He is currently taking 5000 mg of niacin in divided doses, 5000mg of vitamin C and 240 mg of Ginkgo Biloba. He is doing much better.
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replied January 4th, 2014
Update on my son with supplements for schizophrenia
I would like to update on my son. He has now been off medications for 5weeks and doesn't have any symptoms as long as he takes the supplements 3 imes a day. Sometimes he gets lax and only takes them once or twice.

He takes 3 grams of niacin, 400 mg of magnesium and 1 gram of vitamin C with each meal. (9 grams of niacin total per day) Some people might have enough magnesium in their water. If you get loose stools you can cut back on the magnesium.

He also takes 50 mg of P5P twice a day, he had a visual hallucination when he missed the P5P (B6) for a couple of days because he ran out, so this is important for some people.

He also takes 5 mg of folinic acid and about 3000 mcg of B12 a day and a good multivitamin.
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replied September 1st, 2019
Interesting
Hi kimsie interesting reading on your son
my son has schizophrenia I have tried my son on various vitamin recommended by walsh protocol but no luck will try your vitamin supplements let you know thanks
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