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October 31st, 2009
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Respect, it is exactly that holier-than-thou attitude you have that irks me. I have had this exact conversation with you (albeit my sister was pro-choice). Just because cinderella10383 is choosing or chose to abort her pregnancy does not mean that she has not lived her beliefs, as apparently she believes the RISK of carrying is justified enough to abort. No, I do not think you understand. Because hers has to do about a risk of death not only to her fetuses, but also to HERSELF. Until you are put in that kind of position, it is best not to compare. And I CAN talk. I have so many conditions that make it fatal for me to carry to term (EVER, hence my three premature deliveries)that I would abort in a heartbeat just to stay here for my two very live, very born children. And I too, take all precautions (tubal ligation, thankyamam).
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replied October 31st, 2009
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I am not and have never pretended to be "holier than thou". Your perception but not truth. She said she was prolife until faced with this and I told her what I tell every other prolifer who make ignorant statements. Words are easy. None of us know what we will do until faced with it. That said, what do you know of my health concerns? Nothing. You don't know that I was advised to terminate because of possible health problems to me also. I almost died with my first child and am carefully monitored during and after my deliveries because of bleeding problems. Sorry I "irk" you. Not my intention. Instead my intention is to tell my experience to help other women make an informed choice. I don't believe in only telling one side of a story. I am also not comparing myself to anyone but you seem to be.
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replied November 1st, 2009
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I don't need to compare myself to anyone. That being said, the only thing you have ever hinted at was an anencephalic baby, nothing regarding your health. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Of course, you left that out. However, it is not nice to say someone (prolife or not) is making ignorant statments, just because you do not agree with what they are saying. It is fine to try to help women make informed choices, but it is not fine to try and dissuade them of their own choices, nor is it fine to think their lines of thought, words, choices, etc. are ignorant.
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replied November 1st, 2009
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1. I wasn't saying you were comparing yourself to anyone, I was saying YOU are comparing ME to others.
2. Sorry I haven't shared my whole life story and all my different medical problems with you. Didn't know you were interested but am willing to share whatever. Just ask but don't assume. My health had nothing to do with my son's diagnosis. Are you implying that I am a lier?
3. Niceties are in short supply here as I have found out. Funny how you don't like what I say and I "irk" you and you have judged me and most of what I have said and yet I am the one here getting a lecture from "mom". I didn't and don't come here to agree with you or any other "choicer" or to make you like me or my beliefs. I am what I am and if you personally don't like me, tough.
4. I am not here to persuade or dissuade anyone. I AM here to share an alternate choice that is not a popular choice or presented as a viable choice to grieving moms. Again, if you don't like that, tough.
5. I have every right in the world to think the statement that a person actually knows 100% in any given situation what choice they will make is ignorant, THAT is MY choice and again, if you don't like that, tough.
6. I have the feeling that no matter what I said here you would be "irked" because you don't like the fact that I ctt unlike your daughter. YOU don't have the right to judge me, only a parent who has lived this has the right. Time to get off YOUR high horse and allow differing opinions and actions.
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replied November 1st, 2009
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There are many medical reasons for abortion:

Severe fetal abnormalities such as ancephaly,
Chance of fetus being born with severe or life-limiting disabilities or illness, which would mean it would not survive long after birth or wold have a very poor quality of life,
Fetus dying in the womb, or high chance of still-birth,
Anaemia or haemophilia,
Ectopic pregnancy,
Abnormalities of the uterus or placenta (there is one condition where the placenta blocks the cervix and birth canal, meaning vaginal delivery would be impossible and very dangerous for the mother),
Mental / emotional health reasons,
Disabilities / learning difficulties in mother,
Hormone-induced illness,
Hypertension,
Mother is on long-term medication which might harm the fetus or affect the pregnancy,
The mother being a carrier / sufferer of a genetic or inheritable disease (HIV etc) that might be passed on to the fetus,
Pregnancy might exacerbate or aggravate other existing conditions.

These are all the reasons I can think of, but they are enough, and there are doublessly more I havent listed.
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replied November 2nd, 2009
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Respect wrote:
1. I wasn't saying you were comparing yourself to anyone, I was saying YOU are comparing ME to others.
2. Sorry I haven't shared my whole life story and all my different medical problems with you. Didn't know you were interested but am willing to share whatever. Just ask but don't assume. My health had nothing to do with my son's diagnosis. Are you implying that I am a lier?
3. Niceties are in short supply here as I have found out. Funny how you don't like what I say and I "irk" you and you have judged me and most of what I have said and yet I am the one here getting a lecture from "mom". I didn't and don't come here to agree with you or any other "choicer" or to make you like me or my beliefs. I am what I am and if you personally don't like me, tough.
4. I am not here to persuade or dissuade anyone. I AM here to share an alternate choice that is not a popular choice or presented as a viable choice to grieving moms. Again, if you don't like that, tough.
5. I have every right in the world to think the statement that a person actually knows 100% in any given situation what choice they will make is ignorant, THAT is MY choice and again, if you don't like that, tough.
6. I have the feeling that no matter what I said here you would be "irked" because you don't like the fact that I ctt unlike your daughter. YOU don't have the right to judge me, only a parent who has lived this has the right. Time to get off YOUR high horse and allow differing opinions and actions.

1. Never called you a liar, never compared you to others, you are the one saying I am comparing MYSELF to others.
2. Who you are or what you choose to believe does not irk me. What irks me is your attitude toward those who differ in opinion than you.
3. I am very open to any and all opinions, however, when one goes so far as to call another ignorant, it is NOT right.
4. My daughter is only 5 years old, ctt? I don't think so. It was MY SISTER, and I don't care whether you ctt'd or not. But I do care that YOU THINK YOU ARE BETTER THAN HER BECAUSE YOU DID. I HAVE LIVED THROUGH THIS. NOT JUST MY SISTER, but ME. So, until you KNOW ME, don't waggle the finger. Of course, I have already told everyone all this, you just apparently either "skipped" over my posts, or chose to ignore them.
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replied November 3rd, 2009
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Yet you can "waggle the finger" at me? Again, time to get off your high horse and stop telling others what to believe and judging others who don't believe or act as you do. I have had enough of your insinuations, judgements and assumptions about me. Enough.
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replied November 3rd, 2009
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Never commented on what you believe. Never judged you. I simply stated that it is wrong/rude/etc to call someone else ignorant for choosing something or believing something you disagree with. You are right, enough is enough. And I will leave it at that.
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replied November 10th, 2009
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Respect wrote:
Yet you can "waggle the finger" at me? Again, time to get off your high horse and stop telling others what to believe and judging others who don't believe or act as you do. I have had enough of your insinuations, judgements and assumptions about me. Enough.


For what its worth, I saw that you made a statement- she was not pro-life in the sense that being pro-life meant not aborting ever. She didn't stick to that belief in her decision to abort, as many other pro-lifers have (but usually they do it for non medical reasons). Tough as the decision was for that poster- she still CHOSE to do so when she could have chosen not to, consequences and all.

You said you wouldn't ever have an abortion and actually was faced with the life or death situation and didn't have one. I'd say that's a pro-lifer sticking to her beliefs.

Doesn't make you a better person, and I dont see where you said you were a better person. People tend to get offended when others do things most people wouldn't or just couldn't do.
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replied November 10th, 2009
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Phenicks, thank you. I made a statement that got blown out of proportion, I guess. I am not a better person than other women facing the same choice. Heck, there are a lot of better women than me! We are all greiving parents doing the best we can. In fact my ctt was not due to any political stance and when that was later said to me, I was shocked anyone would think that. When you are told your child is going to die and there is nothing you can do to protect them, things become very basic and politics just aren't that important. Truthfully, on diagnosis day if someone would have told me we could get out of our situation immed, I think I would have and I totally understand why women chose abortion. Many times that is the only option they are given as a viable option. I try to educate women there is another very doable option of ctt. I try to do this nonjudgementally. They are in enough pain without having more intentionally added.
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