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July 7th, 2017
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I will create an email account and will let you know the address soon.
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replied July 7th, 2017
Sites on the internet with HIV symptoms are worst thing that happened for the most people here, including me.
Most of them are claiming that symptoms can't tell do you have HIV or not - tests can tell you that, but when you read all those symptoms, you stop believe in tests and doctors.

I know a lot of people with lines on the nails, candida, white tongues and a lot of other things - and they're not worried about HIV and live their life normal.

And you guys (including myself for last few months) - when you wake up in the morning, all that you think about is - what hurts me today? I looked every day at every spot on my body, searching for "HIV rash", checking my tongue, throat, touching my neck and various parts of the body.

You're giving yourself various diagnoses, spending a lot of money for different tests - and after you don't believe them, don't trust the doctors and a lot of other things.

So tell me, is this life? Is this how life should look? I can't forgive myself because I've spent last 6 months searching for symptoms on Google, spending the money for HIV tests, visiting doctors like never before in my life, touching and looking my body everyday!

And after 17-18 weeks and last negative 4th Generation tests, and when the best doctor in my country said - These are conclusive, life your life now - I said to myself - IT'S TIME TO STOP THIS!

I won't give a single $ for some PCR or whatever they're calling those expensive tests, I don't care for "some of them which are claiming for tests at 6 months" cause almost whole world is telling that 3 months is conclusive and 4th Gen tests are great! I don't even think about the symptoms, every day when I wake up I'm thinking what great I'll do that day, and I'm enjoying in every minute of the time I'm spending with my wife, family, friends, and I can't wait holidays to start!

I don't want to be rude, just want to say - please start thinking what's beautiful in your life, and enjoy in life, not just about HIV and symptoms, and you did tested negative, all of you!
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replied July 7th, 2017
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Dadoni,

Very encouraging words. However, I don't think I will be able to put this behind me that easily, I still plan on taking a test in 10 days (4 months), and at 150 and 180 daays. I hope that this finishes without my being infected or any of us.
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replied July 7th, 2017
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Scared Matt, I was reading and found that once you finish seroconverting it is possible that once the window period finishes, your viral load goes very low levels without this meaning that you are an elite patient, this just means that you already produced a good amount of antibodies which are temporarily controlling the virus, but this doesn't mean this is going to make your progression slow.
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replied July 7th, 2017
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Something that tricks me a little is the fact that if I infected my friend, it was through precum, or a little amount of semen that might've gone out from the comdom's base, which would mean that by the time I ahd sex ith her I was highly infectious, it was 32 days between the day I ahd sex with her and the day I took PCR, so I don't know if it is possible to pass from highly infectious to undetectable in one month without any kind of medical treatment.
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replied July 7th, 2017
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TheWorstOfLucks,

This is not your case. A week ago you were fearing your immune system was very weak, because you didn't produce any antibody. Now you fear your immune response was fast enough to make your viral load undetectable in a matter of days. This doesn't make sense.
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replied July 8th, 2017
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You are more than right fellow, I know it is a nonsens, however through a little research on people newly diagnosed, I saw that having a low viral load (about 100) is not that uncommon, so it might be possible to be UD as well.

Are you planning on testing again? If so, when?

Yesterday and today I have had a wart in my mouth, and my throat feels raw, which is uncomfortable whenever I swallow. Also, my gums are very sensitive, if I touch them with my toungue I feel it pretty much, more than I used to.
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replied July 8th, 2017
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I actually went to a public health center yesterday. They do quick tests for free. However, when I got there, I was told they don't do tests at Fridays. And also, I have to call before and make an appointment. That's ridiculous, the tests take 20 minutes, there's no reason to call beforehand.

That's one of the problems of living in a third world country. And besides, I don't live in a big city, which makes things even worse. I will try again next week, and it will my last test, specifically because I'm almost sure it will be positive. If it isn't, well, that means God is giving me a second chance.
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replied July 10th, 2017
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I did another test today for:
HIV I & II (4th generation Ag/Ab test)
HBsAg ( Hepatitis B surface Antigen )
Hepatitis C Virus abs (HCV)
VDRL ( Syphilis test)

ALL NEGATIVE

I am almost on my 19 week...5 weeks to go baby...and that's it...
I am thinking about this stupid thing for the last 3 months...i cant take it anymore...i cant wait for the 24 weeks to come...

Be strong guys....
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replied July 10th, 2017
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Ashyam, I just sent you an email. Worst, you should do the same.
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replied July 10th, 2017
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I already e mailed you Ashyam, Scared Matt, what's your account id?

For anyone in the future who might find my story interesting or who might look for any support, advice or anything, regardless of my status, I will keep checking my e mail account every now and then, so please feel free. My account is TheWorstOfLucks at hotmail dot com
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replied July 10th, 2017
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Today I felt again a headache in the back of my head. Plus, I've been having itchy rashes spread in my chest. I suspect meningitis (another disease which typically appears during acute HIV infection).

Every day I feel more hopeless. I can have a quick test any day, but I'm so coward that I didn't have the courage to do it.
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replied July 11th, 2017
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Bro if you have symptoms then you have the virus.

I recommend you an RNA test with a compilation of 4th generation test. If both negative you are negative.

Please check the windows of each test
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replied July 12th, 2017
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" if you have symptoms then you have the virus "
sorry but u can never relay on symptoms for diagnosis, if this is true then we all here should be on treatment..
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replied July 17th, 2017
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No...i am saying that HIV tests prevails HIV symptoms...
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replied July 11th, 2017
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Dimistris, I disagree, symptoms are not caused by the virus itself, but by the process through which body goes when producing antibodies, to the best of my knowledge.
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replied July 12th, 2017
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Bro i disagree...

RNA test check how much HIV you have in you, the viral load,with out HIV medication this is detectable all the time

The 4 Generation test checks both the virus proteins antigens AG and the antibodies AB...AG/AB hiv1/2....after 12 week is 99.99% conclusive..00.01% is for legal reasons...
Antigens usually disappears around week 4, the reason that they disappear is because of the antibodies. Basically, the antibodies disappears the antigens.
Antibodies and viral load stays with in your body for ever,only the viral load can go to no- detectable levels if you take successfully HIV medication.

Please note am getting my facts from HIV specialists.

But i understand you as am going thought the same paranoia too....but we have to accept logic at one point...
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replied July 11th, 2017
I have so many symptoms, but negative 4th gen HIV test at 40 weeks
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replied July 12th, 2017
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Hi there,

There 4 cases this to happen:

If you're on antiviral treatment (currently) for hepatitis C

If you're being treated for cancer via chemotherapy

If you're on PEP/PREP for HIV

If you have an immunodeficiency disease (you would know as these are typically serious genetic disorders that are diagnosed in childhood)

If you don't have any of those, then you are HIV negative.

9 months considers CONCLUSIVE
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replied July 12th, 2017
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Hello guys !
Back to the forum..
i resigned from my job and came back to my home country with my wife..
today i'm 20 months past exposure, my last negative HIV test was 1 month ago..
my health is not stable at all
i'm still suffering from the same symptoms..
but neurological situation getting worse beside peripheral neuropathy (sensory nerves )and esophagus discomfort, lymph node, armpit lumps, toe bruising same place for second time in 3 weeks, poor short memory, burning feeling while peeing
persistent rash on face..
anybody checked his CD4/CD8 ?
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replied July 13th, 2017
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est1688,

Your negative tests are conclusive. What are your symptoms?
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replied July 13th, 2017
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Est 1688 you are definitively negative, congrats.

I am feeling really sick, I have thush again in the back of my throat, I have warts in my toungue and something stuck in my throat.

Evidently HIV is my problem, when is this going to stop?
I wish I were brave enough to take my own life, but I am too coward.
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replied July 13th, 2017
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the worst of luck, you should trust your results exactly in the same way that you are asking other members to do..
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replied July 17th, 2017
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You do't have HIV!!

I know what is your problem as i have it too and am dealing with it now with medicine!!....Invasive candidiasis...you need to tread it correctly...you have to take special medicine for 2 weeks...and it will go away...

Let me make you understand:
Most probably you got an infection in your penile, and candinda managed to go inside you...

You will ask me, but how i got an infection on my penile?
Sex or saunas or steam bath...many ways to get it...

You will ask me, but how it went in?
Urinary tract infection cause by bacterias and candida!!

You will ask me but why my body can not kill candida?
Your stress is killing your immune system therefore candida is all over the place, plus alcohol and sugar and GERD!!

You will ask me what is this stuck in my throat?
-Globus hystericus cause by Stress anxiety
-Candida, you may go to a nose ears and throat doctor to see by your self,again cause by your stress
-GERD and acid reflux

Are you sure i do not have HIV?
I am not a specialist but YES you don't have HIV!


Why you are so sure?
Well, you did so many test and all negative...12 week on a 4th generation test shows 99.9% of the infections.

What can i do to be more sure?
Nothing as you did everything....but if you are still super paranoid then do an RNA test!


Dear Matt, HIV is not your issue but candida is...You need to got to a nose ears and throat doctor...he will prescribe your medicine for 2-3 weeks...
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replied July 13th, 2017
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Wrcfocus,

I totally agree with you. I'm in the same situation here. I keep telling everyone to believe their results, although I'm still struggling to believe mine.

By the way, I did a fingerprick quick test today (antibody only, not antigen), another negative. Currently on 20th week since exposure.

Same situation as WorstOfLucks, still with a lot of symptoms. My penile yeast infection is still bothering me, it's been months already.
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replied July 13th, 2017
I had swollen lymph nodes, sensitive skin, muscle pain, fatigue, fever, nausea, headaches, hair loss (after 7 months post exposure). I did rapid Alere Determine, 4th gen Abbott Architect, 4th gen Genscreen Ultra hiv tests (6,8,10,11,14,15,26,40 weeks) all came back negative.
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replied July 13th, 2017
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It is kind of a general rule for members in this thread to give advice that we don't follow, However, I consider that a negative result at 40 weeks is very different from one at 13 weeks, experts still hesitate to say a negative is conclusive at 3 months, however, any competitive health profesional will certainly rule out HIV. Adittionaly, amongst all of us I am the member whose exposition is the most recent, therefore my anxiety must be greater than yours.
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replied July 16th, 2017
Guys you need to head to unknownstddotfreeforumsdotnet urgently.

This is the place where sufferers are meeting. It's very unlikely this is a virus - latest thoughts are it's parasitic in nature. Some people are dedicating their lives to solving this. Progress is being made.

Get over to the other forum. We need to pool our resources. You will not get better and are wasting time and money testing for HIV. This will spread to your family and friends through casual contact or saliva. It's a very real, living nightmare.
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