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September 1st, 2008
hmm...maybe it happens automaticaly if a post is reported. I didn't see it so I'm not sure why it would have been.
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replied September 1st, 2008
The best time for your son to be circumcised is when he's 18 and can make the decision to cut off the most sexually sensitive part of his body for himself.

If you circumcise your son as an infant he won't be able to have proper anesthetic (babies' penises are too small and sensitive for most injections), the trauma will ruin the bond between you and him, and he may grow up to resent you for the rest of his life.
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replied September 2nd, 2008
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If you circumcise your son as an infant he won't be able to have proper anesthetic (babies' penises are too small and sensitive for most injections), the trauma will ruin the bond between you and him, and he may grow up to resent you for the rest of his life.


A) it is extremely painful to get circumcised at such a late age.
B) Not every male that has been circumcised has a ruined relationship with their mother and resents her for the rest of her life. You cannot generally speak for a whole population of people.
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replied September 2nd, 2008
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My son was circumcised at about four weeks of age. The urologist who did it assured me that it only hurts for a little bit, but if it's done at a later stage he'll need stitches and it is much more painful and uncomfortable. I know he's still too small to understand (five years) but at this stage he's a totally happy child, and he's not confused because he lookes like his dad.

I think anyone who considers doing this should do it at the earliest possible time.

I've also read recent studies showed that it could prevent certain female cancers (now I don't know how true that is)
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replied September 2nd, 2008
The urologist lied to you,it hurts like hell no matter what age!
At least when the child is older he could have had something to ease the pain :0(
What people are failing to see is the fact that it's HIS PENIS!!!!
It's like saying you husband is a big Star Trek fan and had his ears cut so he could look like Spock so now he wants his child to look like him too???
You would put in JAIL!
Any unnecessary cosmetic surgery should only be allowed on a consenting adult that can make a rational descision on his or her own!
The foreskin is as sensitive as the fingertips or the lips of the mouth. It contains a richer variety and greater concentration of specialised nerve receptors than any other part of the penis. These specialised nerve endings can discern motion, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations of texture. They are concentrated along an area called the Ridged Band 2 which radiates from the frenulum and encircles the tip of the foreskin just within the junction between the outer and inner skin. It is stimulation of the Ridged Band that causes erogenous feelings in the foreskin.
Just as the eyelids protect the eyes, the foreskin protects the glans and keeps its surface soft, moist, and sensitive. It also maintains optimal warmth, pH balance and cleanliness. The foreskin is believed to produce sebum that maintains proper health of the surface of the glans.
The mucous membranes that line all body orifices are the body's first line of immunological defence. Apocrine glands in the foreskin produce antibacterial and anti-viral proteins such as lysozyme, which is also found in mother's milk.
One of the foreskin's functions is to facilitate smooth gentle movements between the mucosal surfaces of the two partners by its rolling action along the shaft and over the glans during intercourse.
The list goes on and on,the Foreskin is there for a reason and our creator didnt make a mistake!!!
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replied September 2nd, 2008
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the best time to have it done is never. how can a urologist speak for a new born baby not feeling pain??? if this is so why do all male babies cry during the operation. i had it done when i was 23 (against my better judgment) and regret it having been done to this day at 55 yrs old. sex is much better and most dr's now agree it is not necessary nor will most medical plans cover this procedure. so when dr's tell you a baby doesn't feel pain, ask them how they know!!!
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replied September 18th, 2008
I had my baby circumcised at the hospital. The doctor usually waits a day after your lil one is born to give him time to adjust to his new world. I think after 2 days of life, the earlier the better!
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replied September 19th, 2008
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My nephew had his done when he was about a week old. The hospital he was born at didn't have the appropriate doctor to do it (it was a TINY hospital).
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replied September 19th, 2008
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These responses could go on forever. I had my son in my early 20's and that was the thing to do, most parents had their male children circumcised within a day of their birth. My husband chose to have this done as my husband at the time had been circumcised as well and he felt stongly that his son should be just like him. Actually I voiced my opinion, apparently not loud enough, that I would prefer to leave it as is and if and when he got older and did not like it then he could have it removed and it would be his decision. He is a bully, so I left him.

My son has never questioned me about it, he is now 19, however I did hear him make a remark once that the foreskin is gross looking.

The man that I am married to for the past 14 years never had his foreskin removed and I do not think it is gross at all, it is NOT nasty nor does it smell, he keeps it very clean. Based on my husbands remarks....it is a very sensitive area....of course he can not compare it to not having it so I take his word of what he says.

He was worried when we first got together what I thought about the 'skin' and said that if it bothered me that he would have it removed. I told him absolutely not, unless it bothered him....it stays Smile

~Zig

Here's a thought....lets say parents leave the foreskin alone and when Jr turns into an adult...most insurance companies will not pay for this procedure as it is considered cosmetic. So in that case, start putting money aside each week for Jr's possibly surgery when he decides if he wants to rid himself of it.
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replied September 22nd, 2008
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from my familys experience I say to do it soon after birth. my husband was circumsized at birth and had no complications. His brother didnt get circumsized until he was 3. He was in so much pain and discomfort that his mother never forgave herself.

my son will be circumsized tomorrow, he is 12 days old. I would have likes to have done it way sooner but I had to find a private doctor. The hosp I had him in doesnt do them anymore because its considered cosmetic. The pediatrician told me that once they are past 3 wks or over 12 pounds the surgery has to be done by a specialist and there could be more pain and complications for the baby.

Im sorry you have gotten judged...your the mom and you do what you think is right. Thats what im doing. I have talked to a lot of moms and most of the time the baby is fine a day after surgery. The pain is quick and they wont remember. The only advice I can give you is to not be in the room when they do it...I hear from other moms that its very traumatizing, I will take their word for it.
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replied September 22nd, 2008
Children are born perfect.
They are innocent,trusting,loving and feel no hate,guilt,sadness or pain!
They need no modification's,no adjustments or refining!
Once there person is violated they withdraw,they no longer trust and even though they are just hours or days old they are forever changed both physically and emotionally!
Why would someone do this to a Beautiful innocent being that completely trusts you to protect and keep them from harm???
It makes me sick to live in a society that cant see past the lies carried out by the medical industry who now have decided against circumcision because it has no medical benefits!
When will people learn,it's NOT their body,it's HIS!!!
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replied September 24th, 2008
Should newborns be circumcised?
YES

Compelling published medical evidence, particularly over the past 20 years, has shown that circumcision offers protection against multiple medical conditions.1 The most important role of primary care physicians, particularly when caring for children, is preventive health care, as exemplified by childhood immunizations. Consider newborn circumcision as a vaccine that has a preventive health role against not one but many disorders. In chronological order from infancy through old age these include severe infant urinary tract infections (UTIs) during the first year of life; local penile infections (balanoposthitis) and mechanical retraction problems (phimosis) in childhood; sexually transmitted diseases, particularly HIV and AIDS, in young adults; and penile and cervical cancer in older adults. Circumcision makes genital hygiene easier throughout life.
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replied September 24th, 2008
Same old B.S,none of it true,
Your doctor may have told you that circumcision is important for preventing urinary tract infections (UTIs). However, UTIs are not serious enough to warrant preventive surgery. UTIs are easily treatable with antibiotics, and studies have shown that breastfeeding is a great for prevention as well as for treatment.
Many studies have linked circumcision to lower rates of penile as well as cervical cancer. The incidence of penile cancer in America is about 1 in 100,000, usually occurring in older men.

According to the AAFP, circumcision has only been shown to reduce the cancer risk by about .2%. Proper hygiene and safe sexual practices are believed to be the most important preventive tool for penile cancer. The American Cancer Society stated in 1996 that circumcision should not be performed to prevent cancer. The main causes of genital cancer are smoking, sex at an early age and unprotected sex with multiple partners.
.Circumcision has been shown to work miracles by reducing a man’s risk of contracting AIDS in studies performed in Africa. If these studies are valid, how is it that America has both the highest circumcision rate of any western country and also the highest AIDS rate?
The most commonly cited indication for circumcision after infancy is a condition called phimosis, in which the foreskin has scar tissue or inflammation and becomes tight around the glans. In children, this can result from premature, forcible retraction of the foreskin, which causes tearing of the skin and creates a raw wound susceptible to infection. Circumcision is an excessive treatment for phimosis, which can be resolved by steroid creams, and gentle manual loosening and stretching of the foreskin, and in severe cases, moderate preputioplasty.
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Bring The Whole Child Home,Say No To circumcision!
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replied September 24th, 2008
Circumcision is surgery. Before undertaking any surgery it is always a good idea to do research. Circumcision is amputating the foreskin from the shaft of the penis. What does the foreskin do? By doing your homework, you will find that the foreskin is erogenous tissue that contains many nerves (that is why they started cutting it off - to stop masturbation by boys!).

It is rare for a circumcised man to know that he does not have all of his sexual equipment. He can still have sex. He can still ejaculate. But, the same as a color blind person cannot appreciate color, a circumcised man cannot appreciate the loss of sensitivity.

I was circumcised at birth. After learning what it means to have a part of my penis amputated, I cannot imagine why anyone would still want to circumcise their child.
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replied September 24th, 2008
Right after death seems like a safe time
I want you to understand something.

Foreskin feels REALLY good. It's HIS body, and morally HIS decision.

95% of the non-Muslim world does not circumcise. The Catholic church officially forbids it. The New Testament makes plain in like dozens of places (e.g. Romans 2:29, Romans 3:30, Acts 15:10, I Corinthians 7:18, Galatians 5:6, Galatians 5:2, Galatians 6:15, Philippians 3:2, Colossians 2:12, Matthew 9:12) that circumcision is NOT part of Christianity.

Since no national medical association on earth endorses routine circumcision, it is cosmetic surgery. Just because you live in the last country that still cuts a majority (57% and falling) of infants for non-religious reasons, doesn't mean you have to do this horrid thing to him. In California and Western states, over 3/4 of infants are left intact today.

Every place they used to circumcise where they have largely stopped (e.g. Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) they have had NO outbreak of penis problems. So many places NEVER got caught up in this (Germany, Finland, Sweden, Italy, Brazil, China, Russia, Argentina, Japan) and they're doing fine as well.

In Finland and Sweden with almost no circumcision, they have lower rates of penile cancer than we have in the US. Most of the US men who have died of AIDS were circumcised at birth. Circumcision does not prevent AIDS. There is now a vaccine for HPV in case somebody had convinced you that every intact male is some kind of carrier.

Your child has a basic human right to enjoy the body nature evolved for him. Every mammal on earth evolved a foreskin before there was surgery, or soap, or even running water. The natural penis is as self-cleaning as the vagina. If someone wants to be cleaner than is natural, that's when you break out the soap. (Although until the child can retract his OWN foreskin, there is absolutely no reason for it to be retracted according to the AAP).

Surgery in infancy is THE WORST time. The foreskin is still fused to the glans like fingernails to a nail bed. Tearing it away often causes pits and gouges to the glans. (Google Circumcision damage to see the gory details). Everything is so tiny, any small error is magnified as the child grows. The doctor has no idea how the child will grow or how much slack skin he will need or want. He also has no idea how stretched out his skin is at the time of the surgery (there may be shrinkage due to a cold operating theater, or there could be erection due to the handling of the organ, the doctor doesn't know the whole range of states of that person's anatomy). Healing in diapers leads to infections and ugly skin bridges regardless of the surgeon's skill, and the child can't communicate if something doesn't feel just right about the healing process. Plus of course he can't tolerate a proper level of pain relief for the procedure or for healing like an older person can.

But there's no reason to think he'll need cut later. Only a third of a percent of men who make it to adulthood intact choose to get circumcised for any reason.

How many men who are disgusted with the fact that an awesome pleasure receptive part of their body was stolen are you willing to dismiss? A guy who says "I'm cut and sex is just fine" is no authority. That's like asking a man with one ear if stereo is better than mono. I know it must seem impossible, but the foreskin is the BEST part of the penis, with over half the sensual nerve endings. Without the foreskin, the glans gets numbed, and the exquisite natural frictionless rolling/gliding mode of stimulation is lost. There is no right time to violate someone's human rights.

Leave him perfect, leave him intact.

-Ron and Alice Low
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replied September 24th, 2008
Very Well Said Ron,Thank You!
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replied September 25th, 2008
On another view on this subject,Your son isnt really going to tell you about his Penis after he realizes what's down there :0(
In my case when I was 11 I started puberty,I was butchered so bad when I had erections my shaft skin on the top ripped/tore and would bleed like crazy ect..
I thought I was some weird freak that had some horrible condition???
I have an inch of scare tissue that is non feeling,still painful and down right ugly!!!
I wouldnt tell anyone about it or ask for help because I thought it was because I was thinking about girls and my penis was getting hard and I was a sick little perv????
So my adolescence was filled with negative thought's,Guilt and Shame!
Do you want this for your son????
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replied September 27th, 2008
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Holy goodness some people just don't stop with the judgments! lol

Everyone has their own view on this. Answer the girls question and be done with it yes there are facts that you have learn t from the internet and maybe a doctor. But the internet is not ALWAYS true and your doctor for all you know may have different religious views and tell you different then another doctor would. I am not pointing anyone out here its just sad to see a women have to read ALL of this and then still not know what to do. Telling a women circumcision could kill her child is a horrible thing. You should not mess with a new mothers emotions or a mother to be's emotions that is just dis respected on many levels. Do you think that they would still be doing this procedure if it was so bad? Yes its painful of course, you're cutting off a body part but they are babies there is medicine for babies(Advil, freezing creams) There are many things to help cope with the pain. I just want to say both ways is great uncircumcised or circumcised! its all good:)

Its your choice but if your going to do it, do it early on so then when the baby grows up it wont remember the pain. Of course you might because watching it happen but you have the choice of watching it or not.

and Farmerted I am very sorry for what happened to you it must be stressful knowing that sometimes a doctor does a procedure wrong and messes up your crown jewels. Peeing side ways isnt that bad lol!

Smile Kate!
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replied September 27th, 2008
Kate,
Did you read all the post's??
I know my situation is not of the norm.
My penis was butchered because a new doctor with no experience had a house/car payment he had to make!
Children do die from circumcision,recently many in Africa but thats a different story.
An Ontario boy died after complications from circumcision,thats not in an impoverished country,thats right here in our own general country!
Look up Jacob Sweet,a 13 yr of handicapped boy who is brain damaged from circumcision complications!
David Reimer who's penis was destroyed during a botched circumcision,the wise doctors tried to make him into a girl,he committed suicide later in life!
With any surgery there's a risk,why would you jeopardize your childs health and well being for a unnessacery cosmetic surgery that the medical community dosnt even recommend anymore??
It's just crazy!
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replied September 27th, 2008
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I understand what you are saying but look what you typed there.

Your "Manly Parts" were butchered because a horrible move of a doctor. There are many doctors in this world who don't even have a degree or anything to be a doctor. Fake certificates... you know?

This is why parents need to look into everything before it happens that would be why you have a doctor and an ob before you give birth. They guide us into the right places but then leave the choice up to us.

Yes you had a horrible tragedy with this and now you are to deal with the problems not the doctor.

And of course Africa is a different story!!!

Those little boys story are heart wrenching to see or hear but the reality is ... it doesn't happen often and I am VERY sorry that it had happened to you because obviously your doctor was a complete idiot! There are many doctors out there that are amazing many of my friends little boys were even tested to see the pain levels from their heart rate. It isn't as bad as you think it is its just like cutting your finger and having it stitched up.(horrible of me to even say that because I am a women and have no idea) but the tests show that the pain is not as bad as we all think. It would be for a younger child or an older man but that's because they are more sensitive to pain!

It all comes down to personal choice.

When you are ready to have a child make sure you do the right thing and what you want:) its your choice.

Let this lady whoever she is do what she likes and when it happens if something does happen we should all be here to support her and her thoughts!

p.s Yes I read em all:) took me FOREVER from your's... your a typing machine lol
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