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edgaras
on July 26th, 2009
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I was not talking about suicide, I was talking about people who condemn others for loosing desire to live a life in agony.

And I think you have two people confused, as I do not have a sister or a brother, just a mother, who I reffered to to illustrate how blessed some people are - especially those that are incapacitated and require assistance from others.
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timeisshort
replied on July 26th, 2009
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edgras, she was talking to jmr not you, thats why you are confused about her mentioning a sister!
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kdlee
replied on July 27th, 2009
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I am sorry.. I need to stay off line until my head stragihtens out..Ever since I had the EGD I am not staying focused..I feel like I am not hitting on all electrodes or something..(might just be a co-incidence not sure) We went to a restaurant saturday and I couldn't even think of the name of the restuarant we were in..It was embarassing as the waitress had asked a question and I couldn't find the words..Thanks timeisshort..
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paulybruskin
replied on August 15th, 2009
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Re: Stop whining
believer25 wrote:
You are the "cry me a river" type. Let me be very clear, ANYONE who commints suicide in this country in SELFISH. I could give you many reasons, however I feel you may be too self absorbed for that. You've plainly detailed out your pain and how it has consumed you and you don't know where alse to turn. well that last post touched on it but now you have no other choice....TURN TO GOD. I'm much older that you man and have cetaintly been in major pain and have been deep down in that darkness, down to my last match...when one day, I told God I'm through doing it on my own, please help...and HE did in ways that I never could of imagined. you may not heed my advise; one's that scream death metal may have trouble leaning on God, but your weak and need GOD, give it a serious try.

God bless you!


How dare you insinuate that this debilitating pain can be cured through a higher power. Some of us don't believe in God, or if we do, we believe that God has a reasn for our suffering. i have offered my tmj pain up to God and i still have it. I have also prayed for God to guide my doctors toward helping me. You dare to presume that someone suffering such pain is weak?! I pray for you to overcome your ignorance.
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edgaras
replied on August 16th, 2009
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That's what I thought too, but I usually ignore such comments as it tends to make the other party argumentative over non-substantial issues, let them accuse, let them judge, God will be give the final verdict.
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eecwarrior
replied on September 11th, 2009
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I feel your pain..Trust me i do.I to have tmj, and not a moment goes by that i dont think about how much its affected my life.But i know that i have to remain positive and seek new treatments to manage the pain. So just keep your head up.And remember that people love you and would miss you dearly. Take care
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kk43
replied on September 14th, 2009
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As I said in a previuos post:

For TMJ try the drug buspar. It is the only thing that relieved me of that agonizing pain. 10 MG 2 x daily. it might even make it worse for a bit, but after 2 weeks, your jaw will feel so calm you won't even believe it.Take Ibuprofen for the two weeks until it kicks in

Also, if you don't want to go that route, look into the herb Rhodiola Roaea. This along with buspar are the only things that 'cured' (yes cured) my bruxism. Possibly because of Rhodiola's MAOI effect. Be warred though, people build tolerance to rhodiola rosea quickly, so it just might be a stepping stone to buspar.

And look in dry mouth. i found taking biotene before bed lubricated my mouth and I ground less.
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Crotalidae75
replied on November 15th, 2009
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jmr, I relate and I understand the apparently logical option of death.

When the balance between one's desire to end the pain vs your family and friend's desire to see you around becomes a nagging question, it becomes very difficult. I questioned this for 3 years, wondering which was more selfish : my desire for death, or my family's wish to not see me die.

It took a very long time to find the cause of my pain and I suspect it may be yours as well. Mine is from clenching my jaw at night, from stress (and this starts a feedback loop, a vicious circle). It took way too long to figure this out, but maybe I can help you with this.

Go get your masseter (jaw muscle) looked at NOW! This could be a real issue, and it seems from what I'm reading is a very major cause of TMJ issues. When stressed and unable to relax at night it can cause very serious symptoms, some of which aren't at all obvious. I thought mine were ear issues. Damage to my ear, damage to my eustachian tube. And so I went to ENT doctors at Kaiser, wasting my time with arrogant MD's who looked in my ear, saw nothing, and told me nothing's wrong!

This got out of hand and I was insulted by doctors, essentially told I was crazy.
One called me one morning to tell me to "Trust my doctors" and that there's "nothing wrong" if they don't see anything.

They're dead wrong. And now after finding a cause to my pain, and a real treatment, after dealing with short-sighted fools, I am angry.

You want to know how you might be able to treat it yourself? Start massaging your masseter from inside and out. I mean jam your fingers into it from both sides, shove your thumb in your mouth and rub in circles 'til it's sore. This is what worked for me. You should also get a double (BOTH upper and lower!) bite plate/splint made. A good orthodontist can do this but it'll run several hundred dollars without coverage.
I had a single upper made last year and it didn't do a damn thing. Now I think I know why. A single doesn't immobilize the jaw and stop the clenching. Sure it's fine for grinding motion since it lets your jaw slide around smoothly, but nothing else.

I'm getting my double plate fitted later this month, in the meantime I massage it and rub Capzacin (the pepper extract stuff) in my cheek. This really helps and I won't kid you it will burn like hell but it will help with the pain. Capsaicin interferes with muscular pain like nothing else. Don't waste your time with Vicodin or the other
heavy duty opiates : they seem to be worthless for muscle pain and are dangerous. Capsaicin's pretty safe but very potent, and never use it with heat and keep the heavy-duty roll on stuff (0.125% is heavy duty!) out of your mouth. If you use it with a heating pad it can penetrate too far and cause damage. I'm pretty sure peppers are ok to chew on for this though and I've been sucking on red pepper flakes in my left cheek (it's all my left side) and it DOES help!

paulybruskin wrote :

>How dare you insinuate that this debilitating pain can be cured through a higher power.

Indeed. Believer25, speak nothing more of things you do not understand. Your stink of arrogance is offensive. No one and nothing understands the nature of chronic pain until it is experienced! For the rest of the "he's a whiner" camp I have a suggestion...

Go buy a geologist's rock hammer.

Then smash your jaw with it. Be sure to shatter your jaw.

Then imagine the pain never goes away.

This is much what TMJ feels like.
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