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Q: Wife is Bipolar - spouse needs advice
asked by: vidente on September 14th, 2008
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Okay. This is not easy. I have been married for 9 years to a woman who is wonderful and who I love very much. At first I thought she suffered with depression. As time went on and I witnessed drastic mood swings I started looking deeper and someone I knew suggested it was bipolar disorder. Not knowing what this was I said no way. Finally I looked into that and thought - wow these are are her behaviors to the letter.

I got her to seek help around her depression and she went on Prozac. It made a difference. A huge difference. It didn't last. She missed the "freedom" the mood swings gave her and felt the medication "trapped her". She went off at her co workers (as she does at me often) and lost her job.

That was 7 years ago. It turns out she has not been able to hold on to a job her whole life. She would cater and waitress. I think jobs she can do when she wanted to and no one could ever look closely enough to see the erratic behavior. She is a pro at that. When she's depressed she won't answer the phone and won't see her friends. When she's manic she finds new people to meet and talk to who are impressed at how outgoing and talkative she is. She loves this. She doesn't let anyone get close enough to see the anger, the physical out breaks, verbal outbreaks or the depression. She goes through periods where she is up until 3-4 in them morning for weeks.

It's got to the point when I could tell when the mood changes were coming or when the volcanoe was about to blow. Not that I could do anything about it. She has been on and off of medication -going from doctor to doctor. When she is taking something it doesn't change her. She actually senses some of the mood swings and can self correct. She still gets sad or a little manic but not in an extreme way. When sees off the medication it can get pretty extreme.

My wife is very creative. I have supported her creative endeavors as a way to give her a sense of purpose and structure in her life. I thought by doing this I could help her and help our lives together.

Long and the short of it this is where I am. About 9 months ago she said she wanted to see if she could do without any medication. I said of course. I asked that if I thought she was started to go down those old roads of behavior that I could tell her without her getting angry or accusing me of wanting to "make her sick".

4 months into it she was staying up late again. Cycling through sorrow - no stop talk - believing that she was becoming incredibly psychic getting angry at the drop of hat. I could say "banana" and an entire evening would go from peaceful to all out war.

I thought I would just watch to see if she could self correct. Well when I got the $500 cell phone bill I found calls to another state that I didn't recognize. I manage her myspace page ( I'm her business manger) and found love notes!!!!

We have business email accounts we share and there were these emails. She didn't even have the presence of mind to hide it.

Where we are: I could tolerate a lot but no this. I told her cut it off or we're done. Funny thing is after 12 years of courting and marriage she is on a campaign to both family and friends that I am the problem. I've wanted to make her sick. I won't let her have male friends. ( She has many male friends) Her family knows she had mood issues but ( and her father is a doctor) they are more concerned with saving face and not having anyone know there is an issue with their daughter than in helping her. They have enabled for years as sadly I think I may have. So now they are on a tear to get us divorced.

I have become the enemy. I am flabbergasted. I am exhausted. I have spent every penny and every ounce of energy living in my wife's topsy turvey life and I thought I was being a patient, supporting, loving husband.

I probably should have looked into a support group a long time ago. As I look at these forums I understand the pain someone with BP goes through but I also understand the spouses and families involved go through terrible times. The pain of loving someone and not being ale to help them but also the abuse and confusion we accept because we love them is incredible. All because society has created a stigma around this. For so many people this is something to swept under the carpet. We don't abandon someone we love because they have cancer and we can't stand the thought of chemotherapy. And we don't leave our loved ones that suffer from one or another mood disorder.

Finally I was at a sales conference several weeks ago and overheard a coworker talking about his issues. I've worked with him for 8 years. I happened to be with him in the airport on the way home and asked him about it. He is bipolar. I would never have known. He has been for a long time and knows that for him medication is the answer. He knows that without it he will sink and he's aware enough to know he won't chance stopping. Like my wife he is a great person. I thanked him for sharing as I spoke about my situation and he totally understood what I was going through. As we parted to go to our flights he said "Make sure you take care of yourself. Don't let yourself spin out of control. You can't help your wife if you don't take care of yourself."

So who takes care of us while we are living in the hurricane of our partners cycling?
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antigone
replied on September 15th, 2008
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Unfortunately there is no one to take care of those family members that deal with the storms of bipolar disorder. I have 2 boys diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I feel isolated, alone, and frequently "left out" of the world around me. I don't have the freedom to go and do things most people take for granted. Everything I do must be weighed against how my boys will react to the situation. This is true for going to the store to going to family events. I tend to avoid most social situations.

Caring for someone with bipolar disorder will wear you down. It erodes away at your spirit. You need to find a hobby or activity that you enjoy and do it. I force myself to workout. This allows me to take care of myself and destress. Find a way to pamper yourself, treat yourself. You deserve this. Nobody is going to do this for you so you must do it for yourself.

Your wife is displaying many behaviors that are consistent with bipolar disorder. Many people with bipolar disorder become hypersexual which leads to many problems in a relationship. Mania often manifests itself with agitation and irritability. These moods are unleashed on the those closest to them- spouse, parents, siblings. These behaviors are destructive. They will create chaos and turmoil. The only way to deal with the behaviors is through treatment. When someone refuses treatment you have few options. Self preservation must come into play. You can't allow this to destroy you. A support group is one way to vent and find support through the turmoil.

You are so right in the social stigma that surrounds mental illness. Not only do the average person harbor misconceptions about mental illness but insurance agencies discriminate against individuals with mental illness. We have a cap on our insurance that limits the number of mental health visits to a doctor, therapist, counselor, and psychologist. It is limited to 30 visits a year and 60 in a LIFE TIME. How ridiculous, unfair, and irresponsible is this?! If this type of cap was put on heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, or any number of medical conditions there would be outrage and demands for reformation in the insurance industry. When it is mental illness the words fall on deaf ears. It is a misconception that this is a "mental illness". It is a medical condition that effects a major organ in the body -the brain. Perhaps if enough of us talk about this and raise the issue someone will listen who can instigate the change so desperately needed.

I know your pain. It is relentless intruder in my life. This forum allows me to reach out to others that need support, a friend, a safe haven to vent. I am glad you found us. We are here to listen and offer advice and support. I have no cure, no fix for you. I have empathy and understanding. My life parallels yours.
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vidente
replied on September 15th, 2008
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Thanks
Thanks for listening and thanks for the response
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replied on September 15th, 2008
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Re: Wife is Bipolar -Spouse that needs advice
vidente wrote:
Okay. This is not easy. I have been married for 9 years to a woman who is wonderful and who I love very much. At first I thought she suffered with depression. As time went on and I witnessed drastic mood swings I started looking deeper and someone I knew suggested it was bipolar disorder. Not knowing what this was I said no way. Finally I looked into that and thought - wow these are are her behaviors to the letter.

I got her to seek help around her depression and she went on Prozac. It made a difference. A huge difference. It didn't last. She missed the "freedom" the mood swings gave her and felt the medication "trapped her". She went off at her co workers (as she does at me often) and lost her job.

That was 7 years ago. It turns out she has not been able to hold on to a job her whole life. She would cater and waitress. I think jobs she can do when she wanted to and no one could ever look closely enough to see the erratic behavior. She is a pro at that. When she's depressed she won't answer the phone and won't see her friends. When she's manic she finds new people to meet and talk to who are impressed at how outgoing and talkative she is. She loves this. She doesn't let anyone get close enough to see the anger, the physical out breaks, verbal outbreaks or the depression. She goes through periods where she is up until 3-4 in them morning for weeks.

It's got to the point when I could tell when the mood changes were coming or when the volcanoe was about to blow. Not that I could do anything about it. She has been on and off of medication -going from doctor to doctor. When she is taking something it doesn't change her. She actually senses some of the mood swings and can self correct. She still gets sad or a little manic but not in an extreme way. When sees off the medication it can get pretty extreme.

My wife is very creative. I have supported her creative endeavors as a way to give her a sense of purpose and structure in her life. I thought by doing this I could help her and help our lives together.

Long and the short of it this is where I am. About 9 months ago she said she wanted to see if she could do without any medication. I said of course. I asked that if I thought she was started to go down those old roads of behavior that I could tell her without her getting angry or accusing me of wanting to "make her sick".

4 months into it she was staying up late again. Cycling through sorrow - no stop talk - believing that she was becoming incredibly psychic getting angry at the drop of hat. I could say "banana" and an entire evening would go from peaceful to all out war.

I thought I would just watch to see if she could self correct. Well when I got the $500 cell phone bill I found calls to another state that I didn't recognize. I manage her myspace page ( I'm her business manger) and found love notes!!!!

We have business email accounts we share and there were these emails. She didn't even have the presence of mind to hide it.

Where we are: I could tolerate a lot but no this. I told her cut it off or we're done. Funny thing is after 12 years of courting and marriage she is on a campaign to both family and friends that I am the problem. I've wanted to make her sick. I won't let her have male friends. ( She has many male friends) Her family knows she had mood issues but ( and her father is a doctor) they are more concerned with saving face and not having anyone know there is an issue with their daughter than in helping her. They have enabled for years as sadly I think I may have. So now they are on a tear to get us divorced.

I have become the enemy. I am flabbergasted. I am exhausted. I have spent every penny and every ounce of energy living in my wife's topsy turvey life and I thought I was being a patient, supporting, loving husband.

I probably should have looked into a support group a long time ago. As I look at these forums I understand the pain someone with BP goes through but I also understand the spouses and families involved go through terrible times. The pain of loving someone and not being ale to help them but also the abuse and confusion we accept because we love them is incredible. All because society has created a stigma around this. For so many people this is something to swept under the carpet. We don't abandon someone we love because they have cancer and we can't stand the thought of chemotherapy. And we don't leave our loved ones that suffer from one or another mood disorder.

Finally I was at a sales conference several weeks ago and overheard a coworker talking about his issues. I've worked with him for 8 years. I happened to be with him in the airport on the way home and asked him about it. He is bipolar. I would never have known. He has been for a long time and knows that for him medication is the answer. He knows that without it he will sink and he's aware enough to know he won't chance stopping. Like my wife he is a great person. I thanked him for sharing as I spoke about my situation and he totally understood what I was going through. As we parted to go to our flights he said "Make sure you take care of yourself. Don't let yourself spin out of control. You can't help your wife if you don't take care of yourself."

So who takes care of us while we are living in the hurricane of our partners cycling?



you take care of you first. get it together. you are a loving nobel husband. i am fortunate to have the same. my husband is a heroic man. he takes care of himself then me. but, i do take my meds and know that i have to in order to survive. like your wife, i know the meds affect my creativity. i am an artist, too. i have bp 1.

it's like not taking therapy for cancer. oh the stigmas... sigh.

so, take care of yourself and you will prevail =) that is how you beat the demon. that is how you get her back to reality. just my opinion...

protect your money and yourself. try to get unemotional if you can. protect yourself so you can protect her! puzzld
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loveme11
replied on September 15th, 2008
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You're in a very difficult position because you obviously love your wife and you want to help her and take care of her. Unfortunately, you can only do as much as she will allow you to do. You can't keep fighting her about taking her meds even though you want to. If she's not willing to listen and take your advice, you need to start thinking about yourself. If she's not willing to see a doctor (and her parents are obviously adamant in her not doing so), you can't force her to want to change. The love notes, I believe, are just a distraction from what's really going on with her. I don't want to make excuses, but they're a side effect from how she's feeling with her mood swings. That still doesn't make it right. You should sit down and talk with her. Let her know what you feel like she should do. If she refuses and causes a big scene, you really need to start thinking if you can deal with something like that for the rest of your life. If she sees how concerned you are about her, she should want to make some changes. Isn't that what marriage is all about? I wish you the best of luck because I know it can't be easy!
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NightStar
replied on September 16th, 2008
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Sorry to hear of your trouble, and hope that you can convince your wife to get back on medication.

My doctor was sneaky, he put me on Geodone, and the side affect for getting off of it is that you loose sleep, and I am afraid of getting sleep paralysis which is caused by lack of sleep. So I have to take the medication every night if I expect to get well rested and avoid sleep paralysis. So I am stuck taking this medication.

I use to think the same way that the medication was killing my personality. But I have become obsessed with not showing people my bad side, I have to be in control at all times, so I stick with the medication now.
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literarypractice
replied on March 6th, 2009
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I wish you the best of luck.
She's your wife, and I'm sure it's a dream to help her stabilize. The truth is that with serious mental conditions, sometimes our efforts don't pan out. I think a lot of people who are family members or spouses of people with a serious mental health condition become so frustrated! We can't save them. We wish we could. All we can do is love them, and try to point them in the right direction. Often, they don't listen to advice. I know from experience it does feel abusive when you're trying to be supportive, and the other person can't see it fully or pulls various tricks for entertainment. It does hurt. I feel for you. I know it must be tough. She's very lucky that you're such a steadfast supporter of her.
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inthecold
replied on March 12th, 2009
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hang in there
Your situation sounds a bit like mine..but mine is much more of a nightmare. Everything was fine with my wife and I, though she had been up and down a bit. She was on an anti-depressant of some sort, I think zoloft and also had adderal which she conned the doctor out of some how.

Well, an old fling from her past that left her with a LOT of emotional baggage and a compulsion for lying popped up out of nowhere, and the next thing I know is that she ran off to vegas, married him and went to Utah with him in the course of about 2 days. She doesn't seem to think anything is wrong with her. She abandoned our kids like yesterdays trash. Her mother and her grandmother have similar histories.

I spoke at length with her doctor and he told me she is most likely bipolar with possible schizophrenic episodes.

unfortunately for me, there is not much I can do for her, she will not let me help her. Life goes on I suppose. Now I have to figure out how to be a single dad.
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rrdimployee
replied on May 18th, 2009
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My long time GF
My gf has bi-polar disorder I didnt know at first, she got pregnant the first month we were together she also had a son that was 6yrs old, and I wanted to be there for her and my child so I stayed. I didnt know at the time that she had a gambling problem and every time she needed a loan or credit i took out a loan or got a new credit card to appease her since I thought we needed it for the baby. Meanwhile she was working as an RN and making 800-1200 dollars a week but the family only saw 200 or so because of her gambling. A couple of years later she got hurt and could no longer work, I had to get a new job with better benefits that only covered my new daughter and i and she claimed without my knowledge that i had moved out and got medicaid for her and her son. Apparently sometime after we recieved a leter which she intercepted theat I owed 10,000 dollars in child support for my daughter who
I had supported along with her mother and her other child. I also found out that she had written checks in my name from an account that I had closed. She claims that she can't clean house or grocery shop or do laundry because of her back injury from work but she goes out with her friends till all hours without any problem. She has a good vehicle to drive since she is supposed to make sure the kids get to school but I end up taking them most days and I have to push the van out of its parking spot at our apartment since reverse went out and we cant afford to fix it and i cant get a loan since my credit has been destroyed. I would like to go back to school but Ill never catch up with the student loans I already have at this rate. When I met my gf I had the world in the palm of my hand and felt indestructible but i find myself now at her mercy, I can't save up enough money to move out and I can't even leave the house without her permission, which never comes. She has yelled and told my friends terrible things to isolate me. I no longer speak to any of my friends many of which I have known for 25 years which is a long time for someone who is 30 yrs old. Cooking dinner and catering to her every whim is never enough and even with her mother helping as much as she can(God bless her)we can't make ends meet.
I find myself many nights pondering the thought of killing myself because i can't live like this, for heavens sake i speak two languages, I have undisputable managment skills 50-60 people every day, without one complaint, the only person in my position to do so. I am a classically trained singer I can play the Tuba and a bit of bass guitar . I went to a trade school for electronics and graduated with outstanding scores in the hardest semesters, the only reason I went to a trade school was to save college money for my brother and sister, after we found out my dad had parkinsons disease.I had high expectations for but they both unappreciatly dropped out of college. So everything that I have dedicated my life to holding true to my belief that people are generally good and if you do the right thing things will be ok has totally bit me in the ass and I spend all my time wishing that I didn't care as much about the people around me so I could kill myself and not feel guitly about it.
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caring4him
replied on May 18th, 2009
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Me too
I've been living with my boyfriend (same gender relationship) for 14 years. He's a wonderful man, but for two years about 10 years ago, he was a challenge, and then the last two years have been unmanageable. It's created a huge financial challenges for me.

Recently he stole my cell phone, money from my wallet, and took off in our camper. He then proceded to call friends and family members, and tell them that I attempted suicide and that he saved me. My family knows enough to not believe him, but others don't know him so well, and were very pained. I don't know how many others he called that I haven't gotten in touch with yet, and I don't have many of the phone number (he still has my cell phone.)

He now calls, and cries that he's running out of money and has nothing to eat, and that I should return the money I stole from him (as if I ever stole money from him.)

I'm trying to get him to connect with some mental health service somewhere, and want to see if I can get him on disability, but I don't think it's likely to happen soon, as most of the time, he claims that all his problems are caused by me, and if I'd just get support so I can think clearly, then he'd be OK.

I feel lost, and without support. We caregivers need more support.

I started talking with some of my neighbors and friends. I found some of them dealing with some similar issues (although at a much greater distance - brothers who live half way across the country, etc.) Because of the stigma, no one talks about this stuff, and it's hard to know where to find support among family and friends.

Any referals to online, or in person support for this kind of thing would be great.
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