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Q: Why don't boys propose before they get girls pregnant?
asked by: killbill on June 15th, 2008
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Maddie34
replied on June 15th, 2008
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Some people don't feel the need to get married, maybe the girl doesn't want to get married? Who knows?

And I suppose accidents happen too Smile
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Cambion
replied on June 15th, 2008
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Maybe they don't want to be with that girl forever, maybe they want the security of knowing they will have an easier time leaving her in comparison to how hard it would be to leave when marriage is involved. Maybe the condom broke and they didn't realize it, or maybe the guy's vasectomy failed (if he has one), or maybe the girl got knocked up by another guy and is just trying to 'land' the most convenient man to be the daddy.

Honestly, if I were a man and I got a girl pregnant, I'd change my name and run as far away as possible. I am very adamant about protection, but since it has the potential to fail, I would not want to be around when the pee stick turned blue. Then again, if I were a man, I'd probably get a vasectomy so I wouldn't need to worry about strange women coming to my door with their b*stard kids and asking to be a happy family.
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killbill
replied on June 15th, 2008
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Cambion wrote:
Maybe they don't want to be with that girl forever, maybe they want the security of knowing they will have an easier time leaving her in comparison to how hard it would be to leave when marriage is involved. Maybe the condom broke and they didn't realize it, or maybe the guy's vasectomy failed (if he has one), or maybe the girl got knocked up by another guy and is just trying to 'land' the most convenient man to be the daddy.

Honestly, if I were a man and I got a girl pregnant, I'd change my name and run as far away as possible. I am very adamant about protection, but since it has the potential to fail, I would not want to be around when the pee stick turned blue. Then again, if I were a man, I'd probably get a vasectomy so I wouldn't need to worry about strange women coming to my door with their b*stard kids and asking to be a happy family.


what if you were a man and the girl was your sister?
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diamondsz
replied on June 15th, 2008
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simply because marriage doesn't have the same meaning for everyone.

For me personally marriage is a piece of paper basically to tie someone down(I'm not talking about both parties who consent) but people who feel pushed into it or coerced. Alot of people aren't ready for marriage but they are sexually mature, so its nice when they go hand in hand but we all know it isn't for everyone.

so people get married to have sex and then divorce, is that any better? The rate of divorce nowadays is like 50% or more I believe and I'm on the brinks of that, not sex related thank god hahaha.

People dont have trust in themselves, people dont have respect for themselves and last people are so afraid of commitment of not being ready that it is a bad choice, (usually in regards to a previous bad relationship.)
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AyaMiyaki
replied on June 15th, 2008
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I think a fair number of "boys" get "girls" pregnant accidentally. Even a lot of "planned" teenaged pregnancies have an air of "oh wow, I didn't think it would actually happen" about them, you know? Like they were toying with the idea of making a baby, even to the point of having unprotected sex... and then when it happens, reality hits home and all they want to do is jump in the time machine.

But I agree with diamond in that marriage is not a solution. Maybe back in the day a boy was expected to marry the girl he impregnated, but with divorce rates as high as they are, what good would it really do? Even if they got married before they got pregnant, there's at least a 50/50 chance that they won't be together ten years from now. Having children won't change that.

I think people are too quick to make life-changing decisions. Making babies with people they haven't known long, rushing into marriage because they found "the one"... these are decisions that require a lot of time and patience. Most people aren't willing to wait that long because they think they have their life figured out. And they might, who am I to say they don't? But the statistics on couples staying together are against us all, unfortunately.
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worrywart01
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diamondsz wrote:
simply because marriage doesn't have the same meaning for everyone.

For me personally marriage is a piece of paper basically to tie someone down(I'm not talking about both parties who consent) but people who feel pushed into it or coerced. Alot of people aren't ready for marriage but they are sexually mature, so its nice when they go hand in hand but we all know it isn't for everyone.

so people get married to have sex and then divorce, is that any better? The rate of divorce nowadays is like 50% or more I believe and I'm on the brinks of that, not sex related thank god hahaha.

People dont have trust in themselves, people dont have respect for themselves and last people are so afraid of commitment of not being ready that it is a bad choice, (usually in regards to a previous bad relationship.)


sadly people dont take marriage as serious as they should..its a commitment, a promise before God and everyone else in your life to that person that you will be with them and share your life with them through thick and thin TILL DEATH DO US PART...it is a blessing not a piece of paper that is supposed to bind you...people dont take marriage as serious as they should these days, just today at work a coworker of mine has been married 4 months, apparently they never had a discussion about even having kids(shes 20), she doesn't want any..he does..she said if he can't accept it "we'll just break up"...thats nice...you mean divorce

i dont think most guys intentionally get the girl pregnant before proposing, i think like was said earlier it was probably an accident..i also agree that many people these days do have commitment problems and are just too afraid to commit yet someone who purposely has a child out of wedlock really makes no sense to me...they're capable of commiting to having a child together for the next 18years..lets NOT get married bc i'm afraid of commitment but i'd like to share my life with you and a child? anywho..i think most of the time its an accident..sorry for so much rambling..
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diamondsz
replied on June 16th, 2008
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worrywart01 wrote:
diamondsz wrote:
simply because marriage doesn't have the same meaning for everyone.

For me personally marriage is a piece of paper basically to tie someone down(I'm not talking about both parties who consent) but people who feel pushed into it or coerced. Alot of people aren't ready for marriage but they are sexually mature, so its nice when they go hand in hand but we all know it isn't for everyone.

so people get married to have sex and then divorce, is that any better? The rate of divorce nowadays is like 50% or more I believe and I'm on the brinks of that, not sex related thank god hahaha.

People dont have trust in themselves, people dont have respect for themselves and last people are so afraid of commitment of not being ready that it is a bad choice, (usually in regards to a previous bad relationship.)


sadly people dont take marriage as serious as they should..its a commitment, a promise before God and everyone else in your life to that person that you will be with them and share your life with them through thick and thin TILL DEATH DO US PART...it is a blessing not a piece of paper that is supposed to bind you...people dont take marriage as serious as they should these days, just today at work a coworker of mine has been married 4 months, apparently they never had a discussion about even having kids(shes 20), she doesn't want any..he does..she said if he can't accept it "we'll just break up"...thats nice...you mean divorce

i dont think most guys intentionally get the girl pregnant before proposing, i think like was said earlier it was probably an accident..i also agree that many people these days do have commitment problems and are just too afraid to commit yet someone who purposely has a child out of wedlock really makes no sense to me...they're capable of commiting to having a child together for the next 18years..lets NOT get married bc i'm afraid of commitment but i'd like to share my life with you and a child? anywho..i think most of the time its an accident..sorry for so much rambling..


Yes but why should someone need a piece of paper to validate their life, I am not religious therefore I dont believe/disbelieve in god.

It is not a piece of paper to both parties who consent instead it is another level but how can you say that someone in a relationship cannot share the exact same thing. Marriage although everyone thinks is the only isn't, how do we know it is the only way?

Someone in a relationship can make that commitment before god, but not be legally married in courts are they wrong because they dont have a piece of paper to justify that special day or thought?
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diamondsz
replied on June 17th, 2008
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MrsBold wrote:
I think the key words being used are boy and girl. A BOY will not think rationally and will be irresponsible. The marriage is something they feel they should do because they got their girlfriend pregnant. A man would ask when they are in love and feel that marriage would be a good step in their relationship. Baby or no baby, a marriage should be something you want for the two of you in order to further your relationship, not forced for appearance.


Thanks, you made a really good point.......

The marriage should be done for other reasons then just pregnancy, it doesnt last long if there is nothing else involved!!
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diamondsz
replied on June 18th, 2008
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MrsBold wrote:
Exactly! Also, a lot of marriages fail now a days because they focus on the wedding and the party and not after. Many people do not realize that they are entering into a partnership and should prepare. Who pays for what? Do you get a joint account, or do you split everything? Will you have kids? When? Where will you live? Whose family do you visit for Christmas?

Their are so many things to think about that people DON'T. Which is why boys think it is an easy way to handle a baby out of wedlock. hey don't think about how hard it is sometimes or the other things you must focus on.



True everyone want this grande fairytale story that may be nice but takes away from the real issues, I didn't pay much for mine but we had more fun.

If they made divorce illegal, less people would get married but people would be more careful of who they got married too.
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Dannzibelle
replied on June 18th, 2008
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I never planned to get pregnant plus we were only 15. We do plan to marry but not for a good few years, we just don't have then money and right now it's not top on our list of neccessities
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killbill
replied on June 19th, 2008
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i don't really care if anyone gets married. i posted the topic because someone posted "why do girls get pregnant before being proposed to?" as though girls just spontaneously become pregnant on their own.
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Phenicks
replied on May 30th, 2009
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I saw this topic while posting on another and it caugh my eye. I think boys dont propose before because having unprotected sex with someone doesn't mean you want to spend the rest of your life with them, it means you're having unprotecte sex, thats it. The guy doesnt know for a fact its his, he'd have to trust the girl didn't cheat, he'd have to trust she wouldn't miscarry or have an abortion, he'd have to trust that he could actually be a good husband and she a good wife, he;d have to trust that he'll be ok with his decision and that this is what he really want when this wasn;t even on his mind before knowledge of the pregnancy. Most guys have unprotected sex with a female on BC and it fails, they didnt plan on that anymore than they planned to marry her. Nobody should ever be coerced into proposing to someone and not proposing doesnt make him irresponsible, it makes him not ready or marriage or at unwilling to marry her. Having a baby together doesn't make them any closer than not having one if it doesn't come with the love and loyalty that should be there when two people think they are ready to marry each other.
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ServiceU
replied on June 21st, 2009
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the divorce rate would go up. i see so many people divorce and separate.
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