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i think you need to re-word what you said, itrustgod.

well regarding the thing that woman should submit to her husband?i think people sometimes take what's written in the bible literally. i mean come on we're all created equal right?men and women have equal rights. i don't think one should be superior over the other in marriage.

times have changed, things are not how they once were and i think people need to realize this.

My husband and I live under a partnership, not the Master and Slave dynamic that Christians and Catholics would force on us if they could. Keep your own women barefoot, pregnant and under your thumb if you want and if they desire that sort of life, but leave the rest of us alone to live our way.

Sometimes I think these fundamentalist people should just be shipped off to their own island where they can screw women over as much as they want without pushing their harmful ways on the rest of society.

Yes we are also born naked and it is our biological nature, do you wear clothes? Do you have a grade 12 education mind you?

Yes birth control is a bad thing, period. It is immoral, and unethical. In the Catholic Church's opinion birth control is intrinsically evil, and I choose to align myself with the Church's views.

So if a married man doesn't want any more children, he shouldn't be able to enjoy sex with his wife? [/quote]

Yes a married couple can morally have sex and avoid having child morally, provided they feel they are doing God's will. This option is called Natural Family Planning, and it is just as effective as any form of birth control, but is actually a good thing rather than the immorality of birth control.[/quote]

I'm not religious try again, why should I have to follow your religion, why should you have a choice to religion when no one else can have theirs?

If I told you my religion, I follow the religion of pink unicorns allowed for recreational sex would you tell me I was wrong for believing? If god is a belief and not a lifestyle how can you use a name in vain, when a book was written by man....

Now its my pink unicorn vs your god, please use your brain and provide a formulated answer I completely detest people who can't think for themselves!

~~~Someones in need of an education~~~~
Even though that is in the new testament I completely disagree with sexism or gender roles. What I do know is I would never marry a go who didn't have brains since Im attracted to intellectuals, although sometimes they look smart and then there brain turns to mush!

Admit what???

Social classes vs a fetus (dependency) ITS A FACT!!

Why don't you admit you think woman are containers and while you are jacking off you enjoy every minuted of it but there goes Johnny boy and darlene dear, down the drain.

Did you know that highly religious people zealots have a genetic default , its called vmat2 and its noticed in fundamentalist, read up on it because its actually real!

well i believe that both the mother and the child deserves respect but maybe some people don't deserve that.

I would like someone to explain why killing a woman that is pregnant is considered double homicide but abortion isn't homicide. I just don't understand it can you explain.

Welcome to the forum itrustgod. I like your username.

so does this make homicide right?

I can actually....

Their is a difference between a wanted pregnancy and an unwanted pregnancy, anyone who disagrees with this statement can verify with the legal background. It was allowed but if a mother chose to rid herself of an unwanted pregnancy then she could not be touched legally.

It does if its legal, there is always a weighing of pros and cons before it is made legal or illegal, you just need to understand senate. If a an unbiased decision is made and all the pros and cons brought forth, well in regards to abortion there would be more cons if it was made illegal, its called rational thinking. Life can be measured in quality not just quantity and therefore the ones who choose to splurge on quantity may do so at their own discretion and the ones who choose to prevail and enjoy life may do so as well.

Abortion is only a moral since legally it is legal to have one performed, therefore it is what you think is right and wrong but then again morals don't exist as perception is the worst enemy of the human race bt also a blessing of being unique. The truth is more children die from natural and unnatural causes then abortion but no one gives two shytes about them after their umbilical cord has been cut.

Just because I have a uterus does not mean I am a mother or mother to be, we don't breed profoundly like we do with the stupidty of animal like dogs, who we pen up in caged and force them to breed for money. A uterus doesn't equate to actually being able to parent, since times have changed and everything costs money, the only common sense here is you need a job, to pay for those bills, people should have a license to have children.

Now to answer your question homicide means killing a person, although there is certain cases for which it is warranted but best to avoid, I do not agree on violence or homicide of a person except in self-defense and war. A unborn child has not obtained the status of being a person, although it is a human being. To best understand that the best example is, can a newborn drive a car and why not?

Another would be that you would probably debate is well what is the difference between a handicapped person and a fetus, two things a handicap person is independant and it is a person.

No diamondsz i do care about them but this is an abortion forum.

Do you believe in quality of life>?

I believe in a right to live(live is a different pretense of life.) They come from the same word but can mean different things although not one of the words is higher than the other. I bet you sleep in a bed, drive a car have a house or an appt and then you deny that quality of life for someone else, which is why I have to disagree with you.

If I take a glass of water, you see it half full, I see it half empty but I know that when I empty that glass, it is still a glass and has always been until water has been added.

Presumably it is thought easier to bring children in this world, it is not. Children do not solve marriage problems, they do not fill voids, they are not toys and too many people care about bringing them into a world where they may not have a quality life. Its like that jobless mother who has 14 kids, just to fill a void, she is one person with two hand and 14 kids can she do it? NO and I think she is a person!

Would you adopt a black baby? How many pro-lifes are willing to adopt non caucasion babies, there isn't many or we wouldn't have an adoption list of millions because the demand of parents can't be met. I have two children who are half Asian and they are stil babies, a baby is a baby but it always comes down to personal choice. Therefore these woman who are infertile and freak out on people who have abortions (because they are having a white baby) and then wont adopt one of those million children on a waiting list.

So don't have an abortion just give your kid up for adoption because someone will want you child but then the demand of parents can't be met, pretty stupid eh!

at least in adoption you give the child a chance

at least in adoption you give the child a chance

At least with an abortion you give the woman a chance.

To the OP... I think abortion is right because no one has a right to tell a woman what to do with her body. Yes a [potential] 'baby' dies in the process, but that is one child that won't know how bad life can suck. Yes, life can be wonderful, but why take a chance if that woman doesn't want to carry said pregnancy?

I believe a soul enters the body once the mother feels movement (also known as quickening). There has to be a connection between mother and child before a soul can enter. Life on the other hand, begins once the heart starts beating. How can something be alive if you can create it in a lab? Of course, that's just my opinion.

I have seen abortion in my family, I have seen adoption. Neither is peaches and cream. In fact, the woman who gave her daughter up for adoption turned to hard drugs after having to give up her first child at 20. Tell me adoption is the best thing. Thankfully, although the baby was half black, she was adopted by a white family that already had a half black adopted son. With the abortion case, this woman went on with her life like nothing ever happened (although she got on BC and used condoms after that).

Whether YOU think abortion is right or wrong, it will still happen. I have read, and seen, stories about women seeking abortion before Roe v Wade. It's horrifying to think these women needed them, but had to do it without medical care. At least with it being legal, we can save WOMAN'S lives that will get that abortion no matter what.