It's just like what ProudMommy said, that's pretty much as effective as the pull-out method. And that's how I got pregnant.

how is it not for everyone? Do you think our government is bad just because it tells us not to do drugs? The pill is and abortion pill, and kills the fetus.

exactally what lucy said.
you and jesusistruth are hassling others for using birth control or getting tubes tied or vesectomy's and saying its a sin.

no its stopping an unwanted pregnancy the reliable way, instead of dancing around the question do we abort, keep it or put it up for adoption.

NFD is eye balling out the odds.
youll end up with 18 kids like the Duggers if you just NFD all the time.
sooner or later you will get her pregnant by this 'method.' but hey if it works for you the god bless.

Um, the pill will never kill a fetus....ever. On occasion, it may prevent a blastocyst from implanting, but this is NOT abortion. In order for an abortion to occur, the woman needs to be pregnant. You are not pregnant until implantation. When you are on the pill, or take the morning after pill, if you are already pregnant, the pills will NOT harm the embryo or cause an abortion.

the pill stops a pregnancy from occuring. it does not kill anything. do some research on the pill hun.

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No problem.

Thanks to both of you for respecting different others' opinions, and I'll try to return the favor, but, unfortunately, we disagree again.

First off I'm going to defend NFP because I've read a stat saying that it is 99% effective (it could be wrong, but it was a legitimate source), and that seems to be just as effective as forms of birth control. Also NFP implements sacrifice, which should be an important part of any relationship (Ephesians 5:21-33 -Be subordinate to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the church, he himself the savior of the body. As the church is subordinate to Christ, so wives should be subordinate to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the bath of water with the word, that he might present to himself the church in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. So (also) husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. "For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church. In any case, each one of you should love his wife as himself, and the wife should respect her husband.). You're right sex isn't just for reproducing, but it is not just for pleasure either. Sex is a powerful, mysterious thing: it has the power to bring a couple together, or to tear them apart. Obviously it serves a deeper purpose than recreation.

My problem with birth control is that it seems to deteriorate the family because if you don't reproduce children with your partner(s), you seem to be off the hook. Thus in a way it encourages casual sex. I also believe that it has led to the creation of many more STDs. I believe that sex creates such a strong bond, it should be shared between two married partners. Sex is meant for both pleasure and procreation, and the two go hand in hand. If you have sex and become pregnant as a couple, you will experience the joy a child brings.

we had said sex is for more than just reproduction.
and sorry i do not referr yo my spouse as "Lord" we both are equals.

reproduction can happen when you are financially ready, mature enough, and know this is what you want.
it should happen because it is"deterorating a family" what will deteriorate a family is that family cannot afford that family in the first place.
Birth control makes sure an unwanted pregnancy does not happen and you can get off it when you are READY to have them and when BOTH partners are READY.

are you kidding. your saying that birth control leads to STD's? Your way of NFD is exactally the same thing! lol

And that is why CONDOMS are used to prevent STD's. the pill alone does not do this.
and you can get an STD if you have sex alot with different partners alot. or the first time you have sex with someone.

and your quote from the bible, i feel like its saying the man is the king, you shall do as he says, if he gets you pregnant so be it..

Subordinate:

1. Belonging to a lower or inferior class or rank; secondary.
2. Subject to the authority or control of another.

Um, no. Sorry, but I will never, ever, consider myself less inferior or secondary to my husband. Nor will he ever have any authority over me....ever.




Off the hook? Becoming a parent is a huge responsibility, and if a couple decides to remain childless, there is nothing wrong with that.

And what's wrong with casual sex?

I know I came in a little late on this discussion but I'd like to ask jesusistruth and life1234 a question. I've heard many people argue in favor of NFP but have never known anyone who actually practiced it. I am assuming that both of you practice NFP. So, how effective has it been for you? Have there been no unwanted or unplanned pregnancies?

a child costs more than a pack of condoms or birth control.

i would rather use protection now at 19 and a mother of a 5 month old son, than wind up pregnant again while practicing NFD.

Yes, NFP can be just as effective as any form of birth control as there only a small window when a women can actually get pregnant. The egg is only alive for 24 hours.

However, this for of birth control ONLY works if the woman involved has a perfect menstrual cycle, or knows her body extremely well. Even women who have very regular cycles may have a month or two where she ovulates earlier or later then she thought.

After my abortion, I became very paranoid about becoming pregnant again. Even with protection, we do not have sex during my "fertile week". So I guess you could say that I use a form of NFP...with protection.

lol
i agree, and no one has the perfect body.
there has to be slip ups.

correct me if i'm wrong but isn't the question is: why do you think abortion is right? well first of all, i don't believe it's right although honestly if i'm put in the situation i couldn't say that i won't do it- but i know it's not the right thing to do. and then regarding the NFP, i guess there's nothing wrong if you'd like to follow that method or use pills or condoms (for the guy ofcourse). it's just that on my opinion, once you engaged in sex you should be ready for the consequences coz even pills cannot assure 100% that you won't get pregnant. well "should" is the word but since it's been happening nowadays (i mean having sex without that readiness) you should atleast find some ways in which you wouldn't put yourself in more trouble whether by natural or artificial family planning. well i don't suppose you could kill someone who isn't part of the world yet, right? i don't like abortion but i don't think artificial family planning is synonimous to it.

Indeed there are! I got pregnant from a man with a low sperm count (he has a varicocele) and with a condom! AND, because he was away on business that month, I only saw him for one night....imagine that!

lostandy, that is why people use birth control, to ready themselves to avoid a pregnancy.
yes there are times a woman gets pregnant while using the pill but that is if she does not take it every day or takes it at different times.
and yes you can get pregnant if a condom breaks, but thats why some use the pill and condoms.
its a choice for the couple, abort, keep or put up for adoption. no one knows the situation there in, and cannot tell them what to do.

yes everyone has there own way of doing things but should not be told 'your way is wrong, a sin, obscene'.
its a personal choice.
yes sex can lead to pregnancy, but that is why we have the pill and condoms and other forms of birth control to avoid this and be prepared to aviod an unwanted pregnancy.

no one is obligated to keep a pregnancy if they do not want to continue with it or cant afford it.

NFP is not 99% effective. That's laughable. And if it fails, people are expected to just shrug and accept the pregnancy and new child. No thank you.

And this thread makes me very glad that my husband doesn't believe that "a wife should submit to her husband" crock. If he did, he wouldn't be my husband. We are very much equals in this marriage.

Abortion is fine with me if you just say it is killing someone because he or she's is in a different social class so he or she doesn't deserve life
but maybe you just don't want to admit it

huh?