It's anti-American to be against killing in war? Since when? Somehow, I bet you would call her a hypocrite if she was FOR war.

Since soldiers are trained to commit homicide, which she is against in ALL forms. Her words not mine

BTW - she's also against people using self-defense, which is also a form of homicide.

I can understand the silliness being against self-defense (which is a natural instinct at times). But, what's wrong with being against soldiers killing other people? War happens to be unnecessary to some people.

What I said was that she is against all forms of homicide. I am against wars too but I still support our troops. It's a necessary evil When you can find a way to end all wars I will be the first in line to support you Until then....

Are you really that illogical? Is that all you can come up with? As for Genene Jones (a sorry excuse for a person), why is it that you care about babies that are minutes/hours old, but don't care about the ones living inside you? I told you I was a nurse because you claim I am uneducated, not because all nurses are saints (remember there are nurses working in abortion clinics). By the way, I am also a military spouse - currently living in The Netherlands. How un-American of me to support my husband and care for our children while he has been deployed 4 times now. Man, I am such a terrible person. There is a BIG difference between killing someone that is trying to kill you and killing an innocent. Again, nice try but I really think you should work on your debating skills. Maybe take a class - you might want to add logic as well since you seem to be lacking. As far as Pro-Choice - I am - abstinence, complete hysterectomy, adoption - there's 3 choices for you. I'm just not for all choices, especially yours.

Now, as the fact is I actually have a life, I have said my piece and am done. You may have your forum back to spread your propaganda. Obviously, logic is lost on you, so there is no point in continuing this discussion. I only hope that someone considering abortion will see our discussions, check my sources listed (all independent - thank you) and change their mind. Feel free to come back with whatever you like - considering I won't be returning you can have the last word to make you feel better.

Oh yes, that's exactly what I want. Could you stop lying for a while?

I want drugs to be legalized but regulated exactly the same way other drugs are:
coffee, tea, alcohol, tobacco, ibuprofen, etc.

You should at least acknowledge when you plagiarize
 a site like this: abort73.com/PDF/Abort73-I-A-2a-pain.pd

Did you notice that he does not come right out and say the fetus feels pain? That is because he knows it cannot, because it does not have a working brain. Use common sense.
 

btw, the majority of abortions involve embryos, not fetuses.

Please show me your source for your claim the majority are fetuses - from all sources I have been able to find they do not specify exactly. (Not that it matters anyway - once the egg has implanted itself it is a baby regardless of how old it is). This is the clearest one I have found (and it's from pro-abortion sources courtesy of The Alan Guttmacher Institute and Planned Parenthood's Family Planning Perspectives - you should like that).


Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

At what gestational ages are abortions performed:
52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy.

Likelihood of abortion:
An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion.

(by the way this is only in the U.S.)


Most women don't even find out they are pregnant until 6-8wks (missed period). and at 8 wks the embyo become a fetus. So, while (barely) the majority are aborted before 9wks - it does not divide that number to show how many are before the 8wk time frame. As for the website you got that interview from, sorry if they quoted the same source. I did not get it from there. However, truth is truth no matter where it comes from. I never claimed to interview the man personally. I'm pretty sure I said I am a nurse - not a journalist. He did not "come right out and say the fetus feels pain" because pain is entirely subjective. He can't say they feel pain anymore than he can say you feel pain. However common sense dictates that if they respond the same as you would to the same stimulus and you say it hurt - guess what - it probably hurts them too. Your dog can't tell you he is in pain when you stomp on him or hit him, but I (and apparently the doctor) would say it is safe to assume it hurts by his response. According to your thinking, it should be ok to hurt a mute person or a newborn because they can't tell us it hurts. You use common sense!

If someone is assaulting you, and you hit them and they feel pain, well -- so?
Same thing for an invasive entity infesting your womb -- if it feels pain when you yank it out, that is just too bad. It should have infested someone else.

Wow and you wonder why people think all pro-abortionist are evil and stupid. You just gave the few who actually have some sense a bad name by spreading your stupidity.

Keeping animals as pets is imprisoning animals. That's a new one! Ha ha ha! Yes, we should let all our dogs and cats free to roam the streets. I'm sure that would be best for them.

Ah, but I am one of the few people here, or probably anywhere, who is genuine pro-abortion. You will find that most are pro-choice, whereas I personally regard abortion is the vastly preferable option in everything except a minority of pregnancies.

Necessary evil? It doesn't sound like you are really against war.

You do know that innocent people can die in wars, too, right?

If a person IS against ALL forms of human killing (born, unborn), just what is wrong with that? How do you feel about people who are against the death penalty because of the posibility of an innocent person being put to death?

Sounds like a conspiracy from the people who run zoos

If pets were roaming the streets most of them would be dead before the end of the week. I wonder if joeswife is going to clean up the mess?

Actually, to me it depends on the kind of pet and how much they are confined. For example, it's not natural to keep birds in cages. They are meant to FLY.

Where did she say that she advocates letting pets run free? Her actual comment implies people who buy animals to keep them as pets is imprisoning them.

Oh no, I am DEFINITELY against war. But once some bonehead starts one my main concern is for our troops to get home safely. Besides ending the war, that is all anyone can hope for.


Yep, that's one of the reasons why I'm against them. I'd much rather see bush and some other countries president just duke it out in the middle of the street. Instead of them starting a war, let them settle their differences that way, and leave to poor people out of the equation all together.


Nothing really, much like it is your right to believe in Santa Claus. Neither one is realistic. Nuff said.

Because they are different in MANY ways from one another. IF (and that's a BIG if) you were a real nurse, then you'd already know this.


And I STILL believe that you are. Fact is you can become a nurse online. That does NOT make you educated regarding this topic, a fact that you have proven many times in this thread.


So let me get this straight.... you are against all forms of homicide and believe that those that commit it should be punished. Your husband is trained by the government to commit homicide. You excuse him for committing homicide each day. Nope... no double standard there


News Flash! MANY INNOCENT people are killed in wars!

Well obviously this was a lie. And speaking of lies, you do know that this IS the INTERNET and you can claim anything that you want - but that doesn't make it true. So while you claim that you're a nurse, or that you are married or that he is in the military, ect... you could actually just as easily be a 12 year old using daddies computer, right? One thing is for certain, your claims of being educated in this topic cannot be verified. You have yet to post one documented fact, and no, propaganda, rhetoric and half-truths from anti-choice websites don't count

adults can be killed without their being aware of that or having the opportunity to defend themselves. so their really isn't much of a difference if any at all.

Most women have regular periods. An embryo would be 2 weeks old on the first day of a missed period. Ovulation and subsequent fertilization occur approximately 14 days into the menstrual period, hence the age of 2 weeks.




In the eighth week of pregnancy an embryo is 6 weeks old, because pregnancy is counted from the first day of the last menstrual cycle preceeding pregnancy. In the ninth week an embryo is 7 weeks old. Both 6 and 7 week old zefs are EMBRYOS.