Abortion Debate Forum - What drives me Crazy! page 6

aochriss

on November 14th, 2008

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oopoopoop wrote:

joeswife79 wrote:

oopoopoop wrote:

If someone is assaulting you, and you hit them and they feel pain, well -- so?
Same thing for an invasive entity infesting your womb -- if it feels pain when you yank it out, that is just too bad. It should have infested someone else.

Wow and you wonder why people think all pro-abortionist are evil and stupid. You just gave the few who actually have some sense a bad name by spreading your stupidity.

Ah, but I am one of the few people here, or probably anywhere, who is genuine pro-abortion. You will find that most are pro-choice, whereas I personally regard abortion is the vastly preferable option in everything except a minority of pregnancies.

I'm pretty much pro-abortion, too, although I wouldn't go so far as to say I agree with only the "minority" of pregnancies. I'd say there are a great many instances in which I think abortion would be the best option, especially when the pregnant person is underage, uneducated, poor, and alone.

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Milan

replied on November 14th, 2008

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joeswife79 wrote:

once the egg has implanted itself it is a baby regardless of how old it is

LOL

This kind of nonsensical rhetoric always cracks me up giggle

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WhiteHairs

replied on November 15th, 2008

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Milan wrote:

joeswife79 wrote:

once the egg has implanted itself it is a baby regardless of how old it is

LOL

This kind of nonsensical rhetoric always cracks me up giggle

a film could be made of that fertilized egg growing developing continuously to adult. never transforming from one thing to another. always the same thing growing and developing so gradually that changes of growth and development are never noticible from watching the growth and development. and these endless lies of yours about humans metamorphising like some type of insect are getting tiresome and everyone knows that you have never observed a human being transform from one thing to another because that does not occur.

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lucy315

replied on November 15th, 2008

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phlem wrote:

and these endless lies of yours about humans metamorphising like some type of insect are getting tiresome and everyone knows that you have never observed a human being transform from one thing to another because that does not occur.

Actually humans DO transform. Transform means to change the outward form or appearance of. I'm no genius, but I'm pretty sure that an embryo's appearance and shape change quite a bit before birth. Wink

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WhiteHairs

replied on November 15th, 2008

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lucy315 wrote:

phlem wrote:

and these endless lies of yours about humans metamorphising like some type of insect are getting tiresome and everyone knows that you have never observed a human being transform from one thing to another because that does not occur.

Actually humans DO transform. Transform means to change the outward form or appearance of. I'm no genius, but I'm pretty sure that an embryo's appearance and shape change quite a bit before birth. Wink

you can call grey hair and wrinkles transformation but most people don't. and that certainly isn't transforming into something else.

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oopoopoop

replied on November 15th, 2008

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phlem wrote:

you can call grey hair and wrinkles transformation but most people don't. and that certainly isn't transforming into something else.

The ones that don't, haven't got'em. Believe me, becoming a middle-aged woman is a helluva transformation. Becoming invisible is sort of cool.

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Milan

replied on November 15th, 2008

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lucy315 wrote:

Actually humans DO transform.

Yes, and in many ways. I've been to many abortion forums for over the past 20 years and of course have met many uneducated anti-choicers, but IMO some of the ones here (not all but some) truly take the cake. For them to suggest that not being able to breath air one minute, and then depending on breathing air the next is not a huge physical metamorphic event - is short of being delusional. And that is just one metamorphic event among MANY that occur during birth! Being part of a woman's body one minute, and being a self-contained independent organism the next is another metamorphic event, as is how it obtains its nourishment, pressure in the pulmonary artery, heart function, plus many circulatory changes that completely disappear at birth, all of which are truly metamorphic events! When certain anti-choicers on this forum try to stick their heads in the sand and ignore these metamorphic events it reminds me of what Abraham Lincoln once said. "How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg." Just because anti-choicers don't want to recognize the birthing process for what it is, doesn't mean these events aren't happening. Anti-choicers can ignore these metamorphic events but that doesn't mean they don't exist, it just means that they are looking for ways to justify undercutting the facts, because acknowledging the facts would prove that they are wrong.

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WhiteHairs

replied on November 15th, 2008

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Milan wrote:

lucy315 wrote:

Actually humans DO transform.

Yes, and in many ways. I've been to many abortion forums for over the past 20 years and of course have met many uneducated anti-choicers, but IMO some of the ones here (not all but some) truly take the cake. For them to suggest that not being able to breath air one minute, and then depending on breathing air the next is not a huge physical metamorphic event - is short of being delusional. And that is just one metamorphic event among MANY that occur during birth! Being part of a woman's body one minute, and being a self-contained independent organism the next is another metamorphic event, as is how it obtains its nourishment, pressure in the pulmonary artery, heart function, plus many circulatory changes that completely disappear at birth, all of which are truly metamorphic events! When certain anti-choicers on this forum try to stick their heads in the sand and ignore these metamorphic events it reminds me of what Abraham Lincoln once said. "How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg." Just because anti-choicers don't want to recognize the birthing process for what it is, doesn't mean these events aren't happening. Anti-choicers can ignore these metamorphic events but that doesn't mean they don't exist, it just means that they are looking for ways to justify undercutting the facts, because acknowledging the facts would prove that they are wrong.

what causes people to say that fetus can not breathe and lie and say fetus are a part of an adult body. if their position that nothing is wrong with abortion is valid than what causes them to constantly confuse what abortion is?

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oopoopoop

replied on November 15th, 2008

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phlem wrote:

what causes the baby-killers to lie and say that fetus can not breathe and lie and say fetus are a part of an adult body. if their position that nothing is wrong with abortion is valid than what causes them to constantly lie about what abortion is?

I think you are going to be a little bit clearer in your allegations. First of all, your label of "baby-killers" is deliberately provocative and offensive. Of course, using it just makes you seem like an obsessive loony, but that is your perogative.

Secondly, you seem to be accusing other posters of lying. Where exactly? A fetus does not breathe. In what way is this a lie? There has also been an extensive discussion as to whether or not a fetus can be viewed as part of the woman's body -- this is a matter for debate, and is quite a complex issue in both philosophical and medical terms. Saying it is one thing or another -- when it goes against your own weird view of the world -- does not constitute a lie, and it is insulting and offensive for you to say it does.

Fine if you don't agree. I disagree with you and while I think you are very, very strange, I am not accusing you of lying.

Please control yourself and try -- just try -- to make an intelligent comment every now and then.

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aochriss

replied on November 15th, 2008

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phlem wrote:

Milan wrote:

joeswife79 wrote:

once the egg has implanted itself it is a baby regardless of how old it is

LOL

This kind of nonsensical rhetoric always cracks me up giggle

a film could be made of that fertilized egg growing developing continuously to adult. never transforming from one thing to another. always the same thing growing and developing so gradually that changes of growth and development are never noticible from watching the growth and development. and these endless lies of yours about humans metamorphising like some type of insect are getting tiresome and everyone knows that you have never observed a human being transform from one thing to another because that does not occur.

That same film could begin well before fertilization and show the development of the oocyte/egg/etc.

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aochriss

replied on November 15th, 2008

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oopoopoop wrote:

Please control yourself and try -- just try -- to make an intelligent comment every now and then.

Lol! Now that's a tall order!!!

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WhiteHairs

replied on November 15th, 2008

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aochriss wrote:

phlem wrote:

Milan wrote:

joeswife79 wrote:

once the egg has implanted itself it is a baby regardless of how old it is

LOL

This kind of nonsensical rhetoric always cracks me up giggle

a film could be made of that fertilized egg growing developing continuously to adult. never transforming from one thing to another. always the same thing growing and developing so gradually that changes of growth and development are never noticible from watching the growth and development. and these endless lies of yours about humans metamorphising like some type of insect are getting tiresome and everyone knows that you have never observed a human being transform from one thing to another because that does not occur.

That same film could begin well before fertilization and show the development of the oocyte/egg/etc.

not really because it is next to impossible to guess which egg will be fertilized. besides what occurs before fertilization is not another human being.

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aochriss

replied on November 19th, 2008

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phlem wrote:

aochriss wrote:

phlem wrote:

Milan wrote:

joeswife79 wrote:

once the egg has implanted itself it is a baby regardless of how old it is

LOL

This kind of nonsensical rhetoric always cracks me up giggle

a film could be made of that fertilized egg growing developing continuously to adult. never transforming from one thing to another. always the same thing growing and developing so gradually that changes of growth and development are never noticible from watching the growth and development. and these endless lies of yours about humans metamorphising like some type of insect are getting tiresome and everyone knows that you have never observed a human being transform from one thing to another because that does not occur.

That same film could begin well before fertilization and show the development of the oocyte/egg/etc.

not really because it is next to impossible to guess which egg will be fertilized. besides what occurs before fertilization is not another human being.

That's ridiculous, there is only one egg released every month. The movie could begin at ovulation. Also, it's impossible to tell which fertilized egg will become an embryo and eventually a fetus, etc., because 90% of them die. The rest of your post is purely your OPINION.

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nightangel73

replied on November 19th, 2008

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aochriss wrote:

That's ridiculous, there is only one egg released every month. The movie could begin at ovulation. Also, it's impossible to tell which fertilized egg will become an embryo and eventually a fetus, etc., because 90% of them die. The rest of your post is purely your OPINION.

90% of my fertilized eggs certainly doesn't die. I got pregnant the next month I stopped the pill.

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WhiteHairs

replied on November 19th, 2008

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oopoopoop wrote:

phlem wrote:

what causes the baby-killers to lie and say that fetus can not breathe and lie and say fetus are a part of an adult body. if their position that nothing is wrong with abortion is valid than what causes them to constantly lie about what abortion is?

I think you are going to be a little bit clearer in your allegations. First of all, your label of "baby-killers" is deliberately provocative and offensive. Of course, using it just makes you seem like an obsessive loony, but that is your perogative.

Secondly, you seem to be accusing other posters of lying. Where exactly? A fetus does not breathe. In what way is this a lie? There has also been an extensive discussion as to whether or not a fetus can be viewed as part of the woman's body -- this is a matter for debate, and is quite a complex issue in both philosophical and medical terms. Saying it is one thing or another -- when it goes against your own weird view of the world -- does not constitute a lie, and it is insulting and offensive for you to say it does.

Fine if you don't agree. I disagree with you and while I think you are very, very strange, I am not accusing you of lying.

Please control yourself and try -- just try -- to make an intelligent comment every now and then.

"does" and "can" do not mean the same thing. you seem to have no problem with calling people against the legalized slaughter of innocent babies anti-choicers even though being against choice is not the same thing as being against baby killing. but you have a problem with people that are pro baby killing being called baby killers. the only thing that is deliberately provocative and offensive is calling people against baby killing anti-choicers. saying that a baby is part of its mothers body is a lie. the baby is a completely different individual than the mother. and not a complex issue just basic biology. what is insulting and offensive are your lies about the basics of human physiology.and the only obsessive looneys are the americans that torture me for disagreeing with them which should in my opinion not be their perogative.

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oopoopoop

replied on November 19th, 2008

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Flush!

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aochriss

replied on November 19th, 2008

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nightangel73 wrote:

aochriss wrote:

That's ridiculous, there is only one egg released every month. The movie could begin at ovulation. Also, it's impossible to tell which fertilized egg will become an embryo and eventually a fetus, etc., because 90% of them die. The rest of your post is purely your OPINION.

90% of my fertilized eggs certainly doesn't die. I got pregnant the next month I stopped the pill.

We've been through this before, and I am not going to explain it to you again.

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