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Q: weight gain advice
asked by: skinny dude on April 15th, 2008
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I am 20 years old, 6'1", 140 lbs. I am not in bad shape and am fairly athletic for how skinny I am, I just need to gain weight to be more proportional.

I am going away for work from May 1st-August 31st to another state, where all I'll have to do is eat and work out and take whatever supplements needed. I'd like to know some tips and tricks on how to gain a lot of weight fast EVEN with a high metabolism.

i.e....what groceries to buy, when to eat, what to eat, how often to work out, which lifts are best, what foods to get when operating on a low budget, etc...
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Mikolas
replied on April 17th, 2008
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Unfortunately, there is no method for you to gain weight "fast even with high metabolism" in a healthy fashion, it is somewhat of a paradox. Supplements usually don't work, for there are a lot of false marketing products out. Weight gainers, protein shakes, etc, work to a minimal effect, if best. Most people who have stated such products worked, have made other changes (which is probably the true source of their improvement) simultaneously so they cannot say it was the magical properties of Whey Protein or the such exclusively. Truly in the world of exercise and body health, nothing is easily achieved unless you wish to take roids or other such damaging products.

If you wish to achieve your weight gain through proper exercise and dieting, and you have the mental will, discipline and determination to do so, then I and other forum members can assist you. Even if we formulate the greatest work out schedule and dieting plan available, if you slack and don't do it, it is all useless.

So, assuming you really have the will power, I will start off with a few bits of information and questions that I'd like you to answer first pertaining to exercise.
You stated you were/are athletic despite your small frame, what did or do you do? How frequently was this activity done and the duration? If this was in the past, how long has it been since then? Have you ever weight trained beforehand on a regular basis? What did you do and for how long did this go on? What is your exact goal that you want to set up for yourself that is reasonable, i.e. a certain weight, a certain look to your body, etc. Do you have any conditions that we should know about before going on, i.e. Family history of CVD (cardiovascular diseases), diabetes, injuries that may affect your work out, etc?

To let you know, if you have never worked out before, you will not see results quickly. This is why people these days are in such poor health and mental state, because they want to see fast results and will never work for it if it means they can find a way to pay to get there. If you never weight trained, your neuromuscular pathways are inactive (a blunt/somewhat inaccurate analogy is to visualize your muscles having been shut down because it was never used for a long period of time). Thus, depending on your physical state, the first few weeks to about 2 months are mostly to re-activate your neuromuscular pathways. During this time, you will likely not experience any sort of physical growth, however you will feel an increase in strength for sure. After this reactivation, then we can move on towards hypertrophy (muscle mass gain). With hard work however, it is definitely concievable that you can gain weight within the 4 months time limit, just not much within the first monthish.

I will post more after a response, to make sure I didn't spend another half an hour on top of this one for somebody who wasn't interested in this tedious looking path.
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skinny dude
replied on April 17th, 2008
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thanks!
hey thanks and good questions. ill copy and paste you questions and answer them that way so i dont miss any...

You stated you were/are athletic despite your small frame, what did or do you do?
- i used to play football, i have been fairly active my whole life (sports w/ friends, school football, etc), i dont have much to explain besides im not a couch potato...except recently since im waiting to leave for these 4 months...

How frequently was this activity done and the duration?
- just random times when friends and i go out and shoot hoops, throw the football around, run routes, etc...not sure how much that counts?

If this was in the past, how long has it been since then?
- i havent been REALLY active (ie...football) since high school which was 2 years ago

Have you ever weight trained beforehand on a regular basis?What did you do and for how long did this go on?
- besides the other random stuff, i DID weight train with a couple friends for a period of around 5-6 months. i had a membership at 24 hr fitness and was taking creatine and msucle milk. friends told me they did see an actual change (although i didnt...but ive heard the person doing the work doesnt notice as much as others do). then my family moved and my mom refused to pay for a membership. so im assuming i "shrunk" back to normal. then i worked out for a couple months WITHOUT any supplements (my friend snuck me into his gym at night when they dont care as much) and i noticed quite a bit of thickness building in my arms...then i moved again and my friend went to college. that has been around 1-1.5 years since ive actually focused on working out. ALSO...when i started weight training the first time i worked with my friend who has now gained almost 60-70 lbs and is now more focused on getting leaner.

What is your exact goal that you want to set up for yourself that is reasonable, i.e. a certain weight, a certain look to your body, etc. Do you have any conditions that we should know about before going on, i.e. Family history of CVD (cardiovascular diseases), diabetes, injuries that may affect your work out, etc?
- i have NO diseases or illnesses. this is what i look like now....



...id like to look more all around thicker. not trying to get super cut or huge muscles just thicker and more proportionate. like an athletes body..muscle but a small layer of fat over it so im not ripped with veins and what not. brouder shoulders, bigger arms, THICKER TORSO is important, thicker waist, bigger wrists and ankles/calves...etc... maybe like this??....



...i know i have a smaller type of frame so im not looking to get HUGE or anything...the bodytype that always comes to mind is brad pitts. not to say im like that...just that he has a smaller body type as well but maintains a thicker look. im just taller so my muscles are stretched out it seems like..im 6'1". what do you think?
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Mikolas
replied on April 18th, 2008
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Would appreciate if you didn't use pictures next time -_- But thanks I guess, I have an idea now. Sorry, its just that I was using the school computers and the last thing I want is for fellow college students to wonder why am I looking at a seemingly naked male in public. Yes yes, I even spent a 30 second day dream wondering about that scenario. Getting caught by some cute gal friend of mine, with my desperate attempt at telling her that I'm attempting to create a work out schedule in a health forum I moderate, with nobody obviously believing a story like that.... Kind of happened already, I think a lady friend of mine caught me on one of the poster's thread about masturbation or a small penis or something... That was quite embarrassing considering that she must have thought it was my issue.

Anyway, so you want a sculpted build. Reasonable and understandable, not like you want to become 220 pounds of pure muscle to the point you can't put your arms on the side of your body. I would say a minimal ideal weight with trying to looking like that is 165-185 pounds.

To let you know for your own reference, with your current weight and height, your Body Mass Index states that you are borderline underweight/average weight. Your body type is Ectomorphic, which is characterized by lanky arms, short chest and torso, weak skeletal structure, hyper flexibility and fast metabolism. I'm not saying this to make you feel bad, for I'm an ectomorph myself, but to let you understand the terminologies I spit out of my mouth. Being an ectomorph, pretty much the worst body type for muscle gain, we have to work out, eat a certain way, and alter our lifestyle to a slight degree to attempt to gain weight. Altering the lifestyle is in my opinion a recommendation, but it was one of the first things I've ever read when I researched ectomorphs so I'll just pass along the information in case it is viable. By altering your lifestyle, I meant that you would have to cease or for the most part stop any cardiovascular related physical activity, i.e. football playing, basketball, martial arts, etc. The theory behind this was that you need to conserve and focus all of your energy and recovery period towards working out. While I'm sure the resources I read at the time didn't mean you have to quit 100%, you will probably have to cut back if its a daily/semi daily activity. This was way before I had any real knowledge about working out, but it was a seed that was planted so it kind of stuck. Up to you if you want to believe that, I willingly quit it.

So next set of questions. What do you eat on a typical day? How many meals and could you specify how much you eat per meal. Do you have access to a gym, I'm going to want to get an idea of how much you can lift and where to start with you.
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skinny dude
replied on April 18th, 2008
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SORRY! i thought of the same thing when i saw the finished post...apparently photobucket.com loves to supersize every picture uploaded...anyways..i would definitely be willing to change...

What do you eat on a typical day? How many meals and could you specify how much you eat per meal. Do you have access to a gym, I'm going to want to get an idea of how much you can lift and where to start with you.

- This is tricky because i dont have a typical eating day or even eat the same things everyday. id say mostly things like soups, sandwiches, freezer foods, and whatever my family cooks for dinner (which is increasingly becoming my responsibility). however, i have been eating a lot of tuna and drinking protein shakes lately...just to get in the habit of eating a lot. id say my stomach is smaller so the size meals id love to eat kind of make me sick after about 3/4...not sure why it seems like its almost too much. this could be because since i very first started working out, i have concentrated on my appetite a lot more and maybe even jinxed myself...it seems like ill go through phases of eating a lot, then not eating much. id definitely like to get a steady diet (what, when, and how much to eat) going. i do have access to a gym, however it wont be until may 1st when i move to the apartment complex...they have a gym.

i dont really mind this because its kind of giving me a sense of when i should start focusing, as ill have work starting the same time and nothing else to do except hang out at the house, work, and working out/consentrating on my diet.

ps...another thing is..i have read diets made for people like me before, most start at 7 or 8 am. now...i am definitely NOT a morning person and i dont go to bed early either. im wondering if ill have to change my hours or if this is possible without waking up before dawn. id say a typical day if im working is i wake up around 9:45 am-10:30 am and go to bed around 12-1am. i would be willing to change that...but if possible id like to avoid the early hours. thanks again
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DPGfitness
replied on April 21st, 2008
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What to eat
High carbs and protein with essential fats.

6 meals

each contain the follwoing macronutrient breakdown: 25g protein/70g carbs/17g fat which will be around 3200 calories a day. Throw in a bed time shake and post workout shake and you can easily get 700-1000 more quality calories a day.

Foods to choose from are limited but they work.

*any kind of lean meat
*Sweet potato
*Brown rice
*Green veggies
*Oatmeal
*Eggs
*Bananas

As far as proteins drinks go. I would drink Muscle Milk with whole milk mixed in with it for post workout and for before bed get some kind of Cassein blend protein and mix with whole milk for added calories. cassein will digest a lot slower allowing you to repair muscles at night.
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skinny dude
replied on April 21st, 2008
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Thanks for the list of foods! I actually do have Muscle Milk and Ceatine as well if you think that would be a good idea. I'll try and research how to figure out the macronutrient breakdown daily. Hopefully ill be a lot bigger by the end of August!

Also, a couple other things i was wondering about...What days and how many per week are best for my bodytype to workout? i used to try and do it up to 5 times per week but ive learned that 3 times per week is better for ectomorphs...suggestions? im also assuming my bedtime hours arent too much of a factor.
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DPGfitness
replied on April 21st, 2008
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5 dyas a week 1 body part per day

back
chest
legs
shoulders
bis/tris
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