I have recently noticed, starting about 2 months ago that when I look at busy patterns such as oriental rugs, curtains with patterns, white horizontal blinds with straight lines/shelves in the supermarket a problem with very slightly vibrating/shimmering that I can see. Its very slight but noticeable. Its like there is a problem with focusing. I do not suffer this in my 'normal' daily activities and it does not happen all the time and seems to be more apparent when I focus on it. I have found myself testing myself quite a bit which has led me to become quite OCD about it trying to search for a reason why this has developed in me.
When I cover one eye up and look through the other eye, it goes away so I think it is most likely an eye problem.
I have been to one opthalmologist who checked everything in my eye, retina scan, looked at optice nerve, macula, tested pressures, OCT test, and did vision test. Everything is normal with better than 20/20 vision. I tried to expalin my symptoms to her. She was flumoxed. I asked her about if it could be related to my brain and whether I should see a neurologist. She flat out said no and put it down to stress/anxiety. I think that Opthalmologists are mainly concerned with the physical structure of the eye though.
I also went to an optomoterist, who was actually very good, she came up with a plausible explanation of something she called eye envy, or eye teaming problems, where under certain circumstances e.g busy patterns / lines close togethor etc each eye is not working perfectly togethor causing this issue.
I also went to see my PCP who had no idea what this could be but reassured me that it is definitely not something neurological.
Could it be a very slight astigmatism? Or a convergence/divergence issue? Can an eye doctor have missed this?
I also read about something called scotopic sensitivity syndrome or "visual stress" which seems to be another possible explanation.
Some other background:
I have some floaters
I suffer from migraines (quite infrequently)
I am in front of a computer with work every day.
I watch tv and have played and continue to play videogames
I am in front of a screen nearly every waking hour but so far have not experienced anyof these symptoms whilst doing this.
Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated asI feel like I am on crusade to find the cause.
I have these same issues exactly. I have had them for 3 years. I have had an MRI,and numerous eye checkups. In the end a Neuologist told me it was a migraine without the headache but my PCP told me it was anxiety as I have problems with that. I myself have often wondered though if it could be due to the fact that one of my eyes has astigmatism. I'm wondering if you've heard anything else since your last post?
I had an MRI about 7 months (just before the symptoms started for migraines) it came back completely clear. I have also recently visited a Neurologist where I had an EEG. It came back completely normal. We even tried to simulate the problem during the test but everything is fine. Initially he thought it might be some kind of occipital seizure but that has been ruled out. He told me there is no need for another MRI.
He also came to the conclusion that he said he though it might be some migraine variant and told me that it might go away on its own. I pressed him to see if there was any drugs that might be effective. He reluctantly prescribed 120mg Verapamil and asked me to go back after a month to see if it has any positive effects, at which point we can discontinue it or bump up the dose to see if it works. I have been taking it for a week and maybe a little change but I think it might be a bit of wishfull thinking on my behalf. He said it takes around 4 to 6 weeks for it to take effect but I am not so confident. Basically he told me there is nothing wrong with me, which whilst comforting is really bothering me for obvious reasons.
I also have problems with anxiety too, sometimes I always fear the worst.
I really don't know what it is but I personally feel that it is something to do with my eyes not working properly together in certain environments like high contrast lines close together for example supermarkets where you have rows of stuff with lots of information to process. Its like information overload. Its happens mostly in the peripheral of my vision too. If I look through either eye it is completely resolved.
I have experienced the "shivering" affect and not only in my eyes but my whole neck. I too have floaters and visual migraines (Without the pain).
Sometimes it's hard to pin down the cause of a symptom. In my case, I also have palinopsia (which is a combination between migraines and epilepsy).
I am using anti-depressants (for bipolar and anxiety) and anti-epileptics (for the palinopsia) and seeing as they both work as anti-depressants (lol) I don't know which did the trick.
My doctor suspects that it is a weakness in either the muscles or tendons of my one eye that causes the shivering. It's more prominent when you are stressed and/or anxious as you are contracting your whole body so anti-depressant/anxiety medication helps by resolving the stress/tenseness. Out of curiousity, next time it happens, try to relax your whole body and see if it changes.
As for my neck however...I have a connective tissue disorder so any symptom (like the eye shivering) that involves tendons gets over exagerated, so my neck also has stability issues when I am tense.
I will take your advice about the relaxation. I know that i am testing my vision quite frequently and this can make me anxious The EEG and previous MRI have ruled out epilepsy, stroke, seizures or anything else.
How did you get the palinopsia diagnosed? For me the 'flickering' is specifically present under certain circumstances as I mentioned above. What else is wierd is that when i close either eye it completely goes away.
Optomotrist: say eye healthy (might be slight eye teaming problem and brain tries to compensate for it.
Opthalmolgists (several): Eyes completely healthy. Many tests say perfect vision. Eye structure healthy. Retina healthy....
Neurologists: EEG normal. Healthy. His guess is it is some kind of migraine variant. MRI re-looked at MRI says occipital lobes and visual pathways healthy and normal. Reluctantly prescribed Verapamil. says it might go away on its own
MRI performed around seven months ago: normal
I don't know what else to do. Are you now 'cured'?
Thankfully, I have to say that the problem has been "suppressed" for almost six years now.
The medication I am on is Tegretol (For the palinopsia) but too many to mention for the rest (Plus I can't recall which ones are for the anxiety).
At one stage, the palinopsia was getting so bad that after a while my whole vision would be cluttered with "shadows" of things I had seen a moment before and I couldn't see properly. I also went from a optomotrist to a opthalmologist to a neurologist. MRI was also clear of any pathway anomilies.
A lot of times I tend to brake the mold with symptoms so I am quite used to dr's being stumped but my neurologist is a great guy. He went out of his way to search for similar case studies on the internet and found an exact same case.
They still don't know exactly what causes palinopsia or even how it works...all they know is that anti-epileptics helps for it.
Just another interesting fact. Our eyes constantly "hunt" around in order for our brains to actually see the full picture. We don't "see" the whole picture in one shot but rather in small little snapshots.
Please read this carefully. I had the same problem for more than a year. I did also visit doctors they related it to stress or migrane. I did self experimenting which i always do rather than totaly relying on doctors.
Mine was related to too much vitamin b6 levels in my blood. It is called b6 toxinity. Regular range shouldn't be more than 30 and i got 80.
After i stopped vitamin b supplement (which i took rarely) and lowered the foods that are rich in vitamin b6 i started to heal.
Please search for vitamin b6 toxinity and look for symptoms. Eye disorders are not generally one of the symptoms but one of them i am sure of. It is related with central nervous system.
HI , I'm 16 years old female teenager.I've got these visual disturbance for 3 months. It seems like vibrating and snowy vision.It's make me difficult to focus on things. I came to see optamologist for 5 times.All eye tests came back normal.She said that these symptoms is neuro symptom.So I came to see neurologist.I had MRI test,EEG,VEP and all came back normal.ONe of neurologist said that I have migraine aura without infarction or may be it's pre epilipsy symptom.But I never have epilepsy or migraine before.I suffer fron this visual disturbane so much. Can anyone tell me What are these symptom ? Has it got threatment for this? Please reply some answers for me. I'll be very pleased to see if anyone know.
Wow - am glad to have read this as I too suffer from what I call a vibrating eye ball where it vibrates vertically when I look at computer/TV. Had this a few years back but it disappeared - had MRI etc etc and no-one could offer any help aside from specialist who believed it was stress related which I don't buy in to. I now have it constantly whenever working on computer. I thinK i often make it worse by tyring to test my eye etc which i think worsens the problem. Glad to hear other people have similiar issues and that appears to be nothing too serious but it is disconcerting and very annoying. I also sometimes get aching eyes with it.
I just started experiencing a visual distrubance similar to what others have reported here. I wouldn't characterizing as a "vibrating eyeball." It is more the sensation of a shimering effect that is bright and floats around. I can focus and read but the experience is almost tunnel vision with the shimmering happening all the way around the periphery.
It is also like an episode: it starts off as a slight annoyance then intensifies to the point where I just need to sit down and that a deep breathing break. Actually, during the course of reading the other posts on this site, the episode instensified and then eased off.
In the time it took to write this, in fact, the vision is clearing and the disturbance is settling down.
It has become more of an after affect. If it's a symptom of stress -- then I can work at controlling it.
I recently had an MRI and an EEG. Both came back normal. My neurologist thinks it might be a migraine variant where under certain conditions that I mentioned above, exascerbate it but I dont think he really knows.
He prescribed Verapamil which I took for a couple of months with no success so I stopped taking it. My blood pressure dropped very low though!
I also doubt his diagnosis because when I close either eye it completely goes away which I don't think is in line with Migraine. Anyway, he said that there is no need to see him anymore and thinks it might go away by itself. In other words he doesn't know.
One consolation is that it hasn't gotten any worse in nearly a year (fingers crossed) but although reassured that there is nothing organically wrong with me, I am still extremely curious.
Problems looking at patterns, helped with prism lenses
HELP FOUND!! Hello everyone, I know that the original post is a bit old, but I have had the same problems looking at patterns for 11 years. I could never find anyone else with similar problems or a doctor that knew what I was talking about...until 3 days ago. Finally! I had a seizure 11 years ago, and either that or hitting my head really hard cause a very minor brain injury. All my scans were clear CT, MRI, EEG etc. So, I was given a clean bill of health, but I could not look at blinds, bricks, grass, cans on a shelf in a store. Three days ago, on what I thought would be another waste of time doctor's visit, the doctor's first words to me were, "I've seen this before." I about broke down in a sob, when she said that. She said there have been multiple cases of people hitting their heads pretty hard, but have clear CT and MRI scans, that end up with this weird vision problem. She then performed a bunch of vision tests and had me try some special lenses, and look at patterns with them. They are called prism lenses, and they actually helped. I was able to look at the horrifying carpet, and a ceiling vent without feeling uncomfortable. It wasn't a 100% cure, but it helped that's all that matters. She said that over time the improvement can get better. She has an O.D. and is a vision therapist. If you have had similar problems with your vision please go see an eye doctor and ask about prism lenses. I hope this helps you, I know how insufferable this problem is.
I should add, that I also have 20/20 vision, so aside from not being able to look at patterns, or things that move quickly (like the ticker at the bottom of CNN) my vision is crisp and clear. I will get my prism lenses in a couple weeks and I will update this and let ya'll know how a trip to the grocery store goes.
I'm sorry that you are dealing with this. It is something that definitely affects life. I had a very noticeable Grand Mal seizure. An ambulance was called and all. After this seizure all eeg's showed up normal as well as all other scans. About 2 weeks after the seizure is when my vision changed. It freaked me out so much that I couldn't go into any stores for 2 years. It caused panic disorder, which gradually increased places that made me uncomfortable. I hate winter because my vision really bugs me with all the white. I figured out I had panic disorder and worked through that as best I could without meds. After all that, even when my panic attacks got better, the vision problem was still there. I felt if my vision weren't messed up then I could be cured of panic attacks altogether, it just had to be a real physical problem.My problem doesn't really resolve if I close one eye, but the less in my visual field the better. I tend to wear sunglasses (which help a lot) and cover my peripheral vision with my hair. The doctor is an Optometrist. She did a bunch of regular vision tests to confirm that my eyes are just fine. She has a lot of experience working with prism lenses, and said that she has experience with the whole "I can't stand looking at patterns" thing. I get my glasses this week. I don't know the exact prescription, but I will ask when I go pick them up. I will also let you know if they work. I tried different prism lenses at the office, and picked one that seemed to work, but the real test will be wearing them to Target lol I hope that you can find a doctor that has experience with prism lenses in your area. I will keep you updated.
My heart goes out to you. I can completely empathise with you and really hope that you have found the 'cure'.
I also feel anxious going to the supermarket. Shelves really put me off. AGGGGHHHH TARGET!!!!. I wear sunglasses too in the store which makes it less noticeable. Sometimes I walk around with one eye closed too. At least this resolves it.
I have been to quite a few Opthalmologist and Optomoterists not to mention a Neurologist. I never mentioned Prism Glasses to any of them and they never mentioned them to me. So stange. I think half of these professionals are half asleep, ether that or are just not curious.
I live in Houston and have researched some Neuro-Optomoterists here in the area. I think I will visit one of them and describe to them my problem but this time I will tell them I want to be tested for Prism Glasses. I might even take some pictures of the main culprits so they can clearly understand what I am talking about.
I am really looking forward to hearing your update!
I just got back from the Neuro Optomoterists. They did loads of tests on me for an hour and a half. An Internist was also involved too who was very enthusiastic. They tested me for prisms but they just made me feel sick. One reassuring thing is that the Neuro had heard of this thing before and had some experience of it. She said that I should go back for Chromagen lens testing (colured lenses) as she thinks its something to do with certain colours/depths not being processed properly. She also asked me about whether I had any infections (which I haven't) and she went on about myelin sheathes and the nervous system, and that maybe stress could be playing a role in this problem which is brought out under certain conditions. One other thing she saw was that my right eye was slightly "exciteble" when she did the cover test. They looked so excited about that. I felt like a guinea pig but nothing conclusive came out of it.
I was happy that someone was actually paying attention to my issue and are trying to get to the bottom of this thing.
I go back for Chromoagen testing on the 29th October and will let you know how it goes.
I too, have the same symptoms. The only conditions I have are anxiety and I'm sensitive to caffiene. I feel that when I do have caffeine I am sensitive to these lines/patterns.
I never correlated the grocery store with this, but YES they drive me crazy when I'm in them and anxious at all. It is very hard for me to scan things and take it all in. And the lighting drives me nuts.
Another symptom I have is spots on my eyes. I feel like I can see the freckles in them looking out? They are always there. And it's just a matter of paying attention to them or not. Sometimes I'll think I see something, but it ends up being that spot that's always there. Do you guys have this? Some are slightly darker, and then there is one that seems like I cut my eye once and its just this slightly blurred space. So weird.
I was playing tennis yesterday and it's like my vision and what I was seeing was totally blocked by it all. Caffiene might have a lot to do with it. I enjoy the boost it gives me but maybe its hurting rather than helping.
Maybe staring at screens a lot is also slowly impairing my vision.
Either way, you guys are not alone, and it's comforting to know I'm not the only one experiencing this.
Sounds like we all need to chill out with the stress :/
hola!no tengo mucho vocabulario en ingles para explicar esto, pero entiendo todo lo que escriben..soy de argetina, mujer de 24 aos...sufro el mismo preoblema desde hace 8 meses.. todo empezo en un periodo en el que estaba muy estresada y muy ansiosa; he hecho mil pruebas en mis ojos,y todos salen bien; las pruebas neurologicas tambien; nadie puede darme una explicacion; mi oculista dice que es un problema de mi vitreo; que es un poco mas oscuro de lo normal; y que seguramente sea eso, que debo acostumbrarme...la verdad que esa explicacion no termina de convencerme, pero por lo pronto es la unica que tengo....Los medicos me miran como una especie rara...
En mi caso, mi vista vibra todo el tiempo...casi siempre sobre superficies rectas, verticales u horizantales,pero no hay momento del dia en que no me pase...
Se esta tornando una pesadilla , me da miedo pensar que nadie va a poder solucionar mi problema y que voy a tener que convivir con esto...voy a volverme loca...
Igual es bueno saber que hay gente a la que le pasa lo mismo...
mantennos al tanto de las novedades...
I have had multiple tests including EEG, MRI by neurologist, all other Opthalmologist, Optomoterists and Neuro Optomoterists too. I was even refered to a Optomotery R&D department at Univeristy where they hooked me up to what looked like a very sophisticated eye movement tracking machine. The results being completely negative. They even tried to simulate the problem while being tested. This rules out eye tracking problems
MRI rules out any organic problem such as tumour, stroke etc...
EEG rules out opthalomic seizures or anything similar.
Numerous Opthalmologists test conclude that my eyes are in very good health with better than 20/20 vision with very very slight astigmatism in my left eye but would not cause this.
Although it has not gone away, I have started to live with it as there seems to be nothing physically wrong with me (based on the numerous tests with various specialists).
The worst culprit are supermarket shelves witgh lots of stuff on them, so what I did was to buy a pair of sunglasses and tape one lens with scotch tape from the inside so that no it stops the effects and also no one can see it either. It doesnt happen all the time but when I slightly try to focus on these specific stimuli its there.
It could be something to do with the brain trying to fuse the two images together but does it slightly off. My visual acuity is not affected. but this is just my guess.
Do you know what might have caused this for you and when this started?
I've been trying to explain this exact thing to my doctor and the vision specialist!
I can't look at blinds, window screens, televisions, objects or floors with lines or certain rugs and it just sucks, its irritating and after I told the eye doctor AND retina specialist, they looked at me like I was crazy! My eye exam was normal and I also had a MRI of my brain (without contrast) this January which came back normal too.
Its getting progressively worse, I wish I had in instant cure.