Abortion Debate Forum - Truth on Abortion

NeutralUsername

replied on June 16th, 2008

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Re: Truth on Abortion

diamondsz wrote:

Can you disprove this SCIENTIFICALLY or LEGALLY?

I would like embeded sites as well to back up your claims

1. A fetus does not feel pain until late 2nd/3rd trimester (TRUE)
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/rocky-mou ntains/risks-and-side-effects.htm

2. The surgical proceudre of abortion is as potentially dangerous as any other surgical procedure or even giving birth. (TRUE)
http://surgery.about.com/od/beforesurgery/ a/RisksSurgery.htm

3. To abort means to stop a process before happening (TRUE)
(therefore by stopping the natural process of sex can also mean you aborting a potential pregnancy)
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.as p?articlekey=2091
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ abort

4. Abortion on demand is only allowed throughout the first trimester within north America (Canada and the states) but can be done in the second trimester due to the mothers health or even severe deformities(in some circumstances)
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/issues-ac tion/abortion/abortion-around-the-world-19 939.htm

5. Abortion is removing a nonviable human (True)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ viable

6. A z/e/f is completely incapable of what a born human is, it is not sentient (AWARE), does not have emotion much less to feel any type of pain until late 2nd trimester
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ sentient
First link explains the pain factor

7. More than 70% of pro-life propoganda such as the silent scream is misinformation, as well as lies.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/issues-ac tion/abortion/anti-choice-activity/reports /facts-speak-louder-than-silent-scream-613 6.htm

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/issues-ac tion/take-political-action/pro-choice-cler gy/acceptance-remarks-2008-davis-award-rec ipient-rev-deborah-mckinley-19866.htm

(Anyone who hasnt seen the silent scream look at it on youtube.)

8. Abortion is LEGAL and therefore not a crime although considered morally wrong by others. (TRUE)

9, Sex is not merely for pro-creation but also recreation...... there is other forms of sex known as well, I spread my legs for oral sex I DIDNT get pregnant (it is just not scientifically possible.)

10. In Canada alone 52% of people want to keep abortion laws the same and only 20% contested such laws.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_C anada

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* At least 120 million couples in the developing world who want to limit or space their pregnancies are still without the means to do so effectively;
* At least 75 million pregnancies each year (43% of all pregnancies) are unwanted; they result in 45 million abortions and over 30 million live births;
* 70,000 women die each year as a result of unsafe abortion; tens of thousands more suffer serious injuries;
* More than 15 million girls under 18 give birth every year. Many of those are unwanted pregnancies. A pregnant teenager is up to 5 times more likely to die as a result of the pregnancy than a pregnant woman aged 18-25;
* 1 million people die each year from reproductive tract infections, including sexually transmitted infections (STIs) other than HIV/AIDS. There are an estimated 333 million new cases of STIs each year;
* Six out of ten women in many countries have a sexually transmitted infection. All face a higher risk of infertility, cervical cancer, or other serious health problems;
* 120 million women have suffered female genital mutilation; another 2 million are at risk each year. The international community and individual governments have condemned the practice, yet it remains widespread in 28 countries;
* Rape and other forms of sexual violence are increasing; for instance, child rape cases have increased dramatically in certain countries where some men believe that they can be cleansed of HIV/AIDS by having sex with a young girl;
* Two million girls between 5 and 15 years old are put on the commercial sex market every year.
http://www.canadiansforchoice.ca/rights.ht ml

Would anyone else like the pleasure of sharing.................

A lot of information here are from BIASED sites (pro-choice, planned parenthood) and from wikipedia, which is not reliable since people can change info in that site.

For example, this:"More than 70% of pro-life propoganda such as the silent scream is misinformation, as well as lies."

Sounds very one-sided, don't you think? And there's actually no proof. Of course there is misinformation. But, it also comes from the pro-choice side.
Where did they get the percentage from?

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Lilly Ivy

replied on June 16th, 2008

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Why is it pro-lifers choose to use peoples emotions against them, while pro-choicers use facts with plenty of backup? That tells me pro-lifers send people on guilt-trips while pro-choicers educate people of the facts, and let them make up their minds on their own.

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NeutralUsername

replied on June 16th, 2008

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Lilly Ivy wrote:

Why is it pro-lifers choose to use peoples emotions against them, while pro-choicers use facts with plenty of backup? That tells me pro-lifers send people on guilt-trips while pro-choicers educate people of the facts, and let them make up their minds on their own.

Pro-choicers do not always use FACTS. Both sides of the abortion debate use propaganda.

I have come across pro-choicers who tried to prove that a fetus isn't human or even alive, use biased pro-choice sites in a debate, show pictures of embryos and claim they are fetuses, show aborted fetuses to try to show what a LIVE fetus looks like, find the most fuzzy sonogram or picture of a fetus they could find and ignore the detailed ones to try to show what a fetus looks like, and make up STORIES to prove a point ("My mentally handicapped sister was raped by 15 Mexicans today and we found out she is pregnant and she is getting an abortion and who are you [the pro-lifers] to tell me she shouldn't get one!" is my favorite one so far that I've heard). I've also come across pro-choicers who hate when the term baby is used to refer to human fetuses, but think parasite, tumor, tissue, thing, blob of cells are all okay because they're "accurate" while baby is not!

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diamondsz

replied on June 16th, 2008

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NeutralUsername wrote:

Lilly Ivy wrote:

Why is it pro-lifers choose to use peoples emotions against them, while pro-choicers use facts with plenty of backup? That tells me pro-lifers send people on guilt-trips while pro-choicers educate people of the facts, and let them make up their minds on their own.

Pro-choicers do not always use FACTS. Both sides of the abortion debate use propaganda.

I have come across pro-choicers who tried to prove that a fetus isn't human or even alive, use biased pro-choice sites in a debate, show pictures of embryos and claim they are fetuses, show aborted fetuses to try to show what a LIVE fetus looks like, find the most fuzzy sonogram or picture of a fetus they could find and ignore the detailed ones to try to show what a fetus looks like, and make up STORIES to prove a point ("My mentally handicapped sister was raped by 15 Mexicans today and we found out she is pregnant and she is getting an abortion and who are you [the pro-lifers] to tell me she shouldn't get one!" is my favorite one so far that I've heard). I've also come across pro-choicers who hate when the term baby is used to refer to human fetuses, but think parasite, tumor, tissue, thing, blob of cells are all okay because they're "accurate" while baby is not!

You can call it what you want but the scientific term are z/e/f, it like people call advil (painkillers) when it really is Ibuprofen.

They share similar charactheristics with a parasite but scientifically it is not a parasite but can be considered one, its not wrong but it depends on who feels that way. I call every baby or hun, its something I do and when I was preggo I said they looked like aliens or peanuts.

The porpoganda part, I went to a few pro-life marches, one here is MArch for life but the pictures they had were complete out of range, after having my kids I can tell you a 28-30 week fetus is not aborted, when you can see features that clearly its well beyond that mark.

Planned parenthood is a neutral organization, they are supportive and NEVER coerce anyone into anything, therefore I have respect for them.

Not to be rude but what right should you have to tell someone to get an abortion or not to get one? We dont tell people to get abortions, the problem with a few pro-life people is they will tell people not to get one.

The difference is right there.

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antrise

replied on June 16th, 2008

Experienced User

Re: Truth on Abortion

diamondsz wrote:

Can you disprove this SCIENTIFICALLY or LEGALLY?

I would like embeded sites as well to back up your claims

1. A fetus does not feel pain until late 2nd/3rd trimester (TRUE)
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/rocky-mou ntains/risks-and-side-effects.htm

2. The surgical proceudre of abortion is as potentially dangerous as any other surgical procedure or even giving birth. (TRUE)
http://surgery.about.com/od/beforesurgery/ a/RisksSurgery.htm

3. To abort means to stop a process before happening (TRUE)
(therefore by stopping the natural process of sex can also mean you aborting a potential pregnancy)
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.as p?articlekey=2091
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ abort

4. Abortion on demand is only allowed throughout the first trimester within north America (Canada and the states) but can be done in the second trimester due to the mothers health or even severe deformities(in some circumstances)
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/issues-ac tion/abortion/abortion-around-the-world-19 939.htm

5. Abortion is removing a nonviable human (True)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ viable

6. A z/e/f is completely incapable of what a born human is, it is not sentient (AWARE), does not have emotion much less to feel any type of pain until late 2nd trimester
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ sentient
First link explains the pain factor

7. More than 70% of pro-life propoganda such as the silent scream is misinformation, as well as lies.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/issues-ac tion/abortion/anti-choice-activity/reports /facts-speak-louder-than-silent-scream-613 6.htm

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/issues-ac tion/take-political-action/pro-choice-cler gy/acceptance-remarks-2008-davis-award-rec ipient-rev-deborah-mckinley-19866.htm

(Anyone who hasnt seen the silent scream look at it on youtube.)

8. Abortion is LEGAL and therefore not a crime although considered morally wrong by others. (TRUE)

9, Sex is not merely for pro-creation but also recreation...... there is other forms of sex known as well, I spread my legs for oral sex I DIDNT get pregnant (it is just not scientifically possible.)

10. In Canada alone 52% of people want to keep abortion laws the same and only 20% contested such laws.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_C anada

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* At least 120 million couples in the developing world who want to limit or space their pregnancies are still without the means to do so effectively;
* At least 75 million pregnancies each year (43% of all pregnancies) are unwanted; they result in 45 million abortions and over 30 million live births;
* 70,000 women die each year as a result of unsafe abortion; tens of thousands more suffer serious injuries;
* More than 15 million girls under 18 give birth every year. Many of those are unwanted pregnancies. A pregnant teenager is up to 5 times more likely to die as a result of the pregnancy than a pregnant woman aged 18-25;
* 1 million people die each year from reproductive tract infections, including sexually transmitted infections (STIs) other than HIV/AIDS. There are an estimated 333 million new cases of STIs each year;
* Six out of ten women in many countries have a sexually transmitted infection. All face a higher risk of infertility, cervical cancer, or other serious health problems;
* 120 million women have suffered female genital mutilation; another 2 million are at risk each year. The international community and individual governments have condemned the practice, yet it remains widespread in 28 countries;
* Rape and other forms of sexual violence are increasing; for instance, child rape cases have increased dramatically in certain countries where some men believe that they can be cleansed of HIV/AIDS by having sex with a young girl;
* Two million girls between 5 and 15 years old are put on the commercial sex market every year.
http://www.canadiansforchoice.ca/rights.ht ml

Would anyone else like the pleasure of sharing.................

at the age of 51 i have had intercouse with two women. my first wife god rest her soul and my second wife. so this all sounds like a bunch of hogwash to me.

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diamondsz

replied on June 17th, 2008

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Re: Truth on Abortion

antrise wrote:

diamondsz wrote:

Can you disprove this SCIENTIFICALLY or LEGALLY?

I would like embeded sites as well to back up your claims

1. A fetus does not feel pain until late 2nd/3rd trimester (TRUE)
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/rocky-mou ntains/risks-and-side-effects.htm

2. The surgical proceudre of abortion is as potentially dangerous as any other surgical procedure or even giving birth. (TRUE)
http://surgery.about.com/od/beforesurgery/ a/RisksSurgery.htm

3. To abort means to stop a process before happening (TRUE)
(therefore by stopping the natural process of sex can also mean you aborting a potential pregnancy)
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.as p?articlekey=2091
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ abort

4. Abortion on demand is only allowed throughout the first trimester within north America (Canada and the states) but can be done in the second trimester due to the mothers health or even severe deformities(in some circumstances)
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/issues-ac tion/abortion/abortion-around-the-world-19 939.htm

5. Abortion is removing a nonviable human (True)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ viable

6. A z/e/f is completely incapable of what a born human is, it is not sentient (AWARE), does not have emotion much less to feel any type of pain until late 2nd trimester
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ sentient
First link explains the pain factor

7. More than 70% of pro-life propoganda such as the silent scream is misinformation, as well as lies.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/issues-ac tion/abortion/anti-choice-activity/reports /facts-speak-louder-than-silent-scream-613 6.htm

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/issues-ac tion/take-political-action/pro-choice-cler gy/acceptance-remarks-2008-davis-award-rec ipient-rev-deborah-mckinley-19866.htm

(Anyone who hasnt seen the silent scream look at it on youtube.)

8. Abortion is LEGAL and therefore not a crime although considered morally wrong by others. (TRUE)

9, Sex is not merely for pro-creation but also recreation...... there is other forms of sex known as well, I spread my legs for oral sex I DIDNT get pregnant (it is just not scientifically possible.)

10. In Canada alone 52% of people want to keep abortion laws the same and only 20% contested such laws.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_C anada

********************************88
* At least 120 million couples in the developing world who want to limit or space their pregnancies are still without the means to do so effectively;
* At least 75 million pregnancies each year (43% of all pregnancies) are unwanted; they result in 45 million abortions and over 30 million live births;
* 70,000 women die each year as a result of unsafe abortion; tens of thousands more suffer serious injuries;
* More than 15 million girls under 18 give birth every year. Many of those are unwanted pregnancies. A pregnant teenager is up to 5 times more likely to die as a result of the pregnancy than a pregnant woman aged 18-25;
* 1 million people die each year from reproductive tract infections, including sexually transmitted infections (STIs) other than HIV/AIDS. There are an estimated 333 million new cases of STIs each year;
* Six out of ten women in many countries have a sexually transmitted infection. All face a higher risk of infertility, cervical cancer, or other serious health problems;
* 120 million women have suffered female genital mutilation; another 2 million are at risk each year. The international community and individual governments have condemned the practice, yet it remains widespread in 28 countries;
* Rape and other forms of sexual violence are increasing; for instance, child rape cases have increased dramatically in certain countries where some men believe that they can be cleansed of HIV/AIDS by having sex with a young girl;
* Two million girls between 5 and 15 years old are put on the commercial sex market every year.
http://www.canadiansforchoice.ca/rights.ht ml

Would anyone else like the pleasure of sharing.................

at the age of 51 i have had intercouse with two women. my first wife god rest her soul and my second wife. so this all sounds like a bunch of hogwash to me.

Believe what you want to believe Antrise, what it comes down to is knowledge and truth, A doctor doesnt become a doctor unless he goes to school, a z/e/f doesnt become a person till birth.

Its facts the only difference now IS MORALS, whether ir is morally right or wrong.

(In regards to your sex life)
You still had sex if men can enjoy sex recreationally then so can woman.

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Reptar

replied on June 17th, 2008

Experienced User

Haha, antrise gets more off topic each post. First we were hearing about his career choice and now his wives and their sex lives. Does this have anything to do with the abortion debate? Does his sex life dictate whether women can choose to abort or not. I don't think so. Calling something hogwash does not make it false. She's provided links, you've done nothing but state your own opinion based on nothing but your sex life. Thank goodness most people use a bit of intelligence when choosing which side of the abortion argument they're on.

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aochriss

replied on June 17th, 2008

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I don't see the scientific or legal rebuttals, lol!

EXCELLENT POST diamondsz!!!

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antrise

replied on June 17th, 2008

Experienced User

all this talk about parasite this and zygote that is making me sick. i didn't magically appear out of thin air or land on planet earth in a space ship. a speak from experience when i say i was created a human being and always have been a human being. wether i am in a car or a house or a mother i am a human being. being inside of a submarine doesn't make me less than human because i depend on that submarine for oxygen. and who takes care of the elderly when they get too old to to take care of themselves the offspring do and that is a symbiotic relationship.

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oopoopoop

replied on June 17th, 2008

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antrise wrote:

all this talk about parasite this and zygote that is making me sick. i didn't magically appear out of thin air or land on planet earth in a space ship. a speak from experience when i say i was created a human being and always have been a human being. wether i am in a car or a house or a mother i am a human being. being inside of a submarine doesn't make me less than human because i depend on that submarine for oxygen. and who takes care of the elderly when they get too old to to take care of themselves the offspring do and that is a symbiotic relationship.

This isn't about you.
You are apparently suffering from some kind of paranoid delusion that you are going to be retroactively aborted. Much as this idea appeals, I understand it isn't feasible.

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Lilly Ivy

replied on June 17th, 2008

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antrise wrote:

all this talk about parasite this and zygote that is making me sick. i didn't magically appear out of thin air or land on planet earth in a space ship. a speak from experience when i say i was created a human being and always have been a human being. wether i am in a car or a house or a mother i am a human being. being inside of a submarine doesn't make me less than human because i depend on that submarine for oxygen. and who takes care of the elderly when they get too old to to take care of themselves the offspring do and that is a symbiotic relationship.

Nothing appears out of thin air or by magic. Even cancer starts as one or two cells and develops into something that sucks the nutrients out of the host. Hmm... sounds similar to the beginning of a human!

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antrise

replied on June 17th, 2008

Experienced User

Lilly Ivy wrote:

antrise wrote:

all this talk about parasite this and zygote that is making me sick. i didn't magically appear out of thin air or land on planet earth in a space ship. a speak from experience when i say i was created a human being and always have been a human being. wether i am in a car or a house or a mother i am a human being. being inside of a submarine doesn't make me less than human because i depend on that submarine for oxygen. and who takes care of the elderly when they get too old to to take care of themselves the offspring do and that is a symbiotic relationship.

Nothing appears out of thin air or by magic. Even cancer starts as one or two cells and develops into something that sucks the nutrients out of the host. Hmm... sounds similar to the beginning of a human!

i complain about abortionists calling babies parasites and they switch to calling babies cancerous growths. several billion people on this planet that do not want to die and do not wish they were never born despite whatever hardships we are faced with. this is the truth.

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diamondsz

replied on June 17th, 2008

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antrise wrote:

Lilly Ivy wrote:

antrise wrote:

all this talk about parasite this and zygote that is making me sick. i didn't magically appear out of thin air or land on planet earth in a space ship. a speak from experience when i say i was created a human being and always have been a human being. wether i am in a car or a house or a mother i am a human being. being inside of a submarine doesn't make me less than human because i depend on that submarine for oxygen. and who takes care of the elderly when they get too old to to take care of themselves the offspring do and that is a symbiotic relationship.

Nothing appears out of thin air or by magic. Even cancer starts as one or two cells and develops into something that sucks the nutrients out of the host. Hmm... sounds similar to the beginning of a human!

i complain about abortionists calling babies parasites and they switch to calling babies cancerous growths. several billion people on this planet that do not want to die and do not wish they were never born despite whatever hardships we are faced with. this is the truth.

death is a natural occurence, you never know when you are going to die, the only reason people fear it is because they are going to miss what they have, their friendship, their love, their possessions and some fear pain.

I a z/e/f cannot expierence which I have mentioned.........None of the above and that is the fact Antrise..

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diamondsz

replied on June 17th, 2008

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antrise wrote:

Lilly Ivy wrote:

antrise wrote:

all this talk about parasite this and zygote that is making me sick. i didn't magically appear out of thin air or land on planet earth in a space ship. a speak from experience when i say i was created a human being and always have been a human being. wether i am in a car or a house or a mother i am a human being. being inside of a submarine doesn't make me less than human because i depend on that submarine for oxygen. and who takes care of the elderly when they get too old to to take care of themselves the offspring do and that is a symbiotic relationship.

Nothing appears out of thin air or by magic. Even cancer starts as one or two cells and develops into something that sucks the nutrients out of the host. Hmm... sounds similar to the beginning of a human!

i complain about abortionists calling babies parasites and they switch to calling babies cancerous growths. several billion people on this planet that do not want to die and do not wish they were never born despite whatever hardships we are faced with. this is the truth.

Read the bible it says its okay to kill woman if they are not virgins but if a man isn't it is okay
Deuteronomy 22:13-21

The religion itself ALLOWS DEATH

pretty sad I believe you tried to run this crap on me the other day

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antrise

replied on June 17th, 2008

Experienced User

diamondsz wrote:

antrise wrote:

Lilly Ivy wrote:

antrise wrote:

all this talk about parasite this and zygote that is making me sick. i didn't magically appear out of thin air or land on planet earth in a space ship. a speak from experience when i say i was created a human being and always have been a human being. wether i am in a car or a house or a mother i am a human being. being inside of a submarine doesn't make me less than human because i depend on that submarine for oxygen. and who takes care of the elderly when they get too old to to take care of themselves the offspring do and that is a symbiotic relationship.

Nothing appears out of thin air or by magic. Even cancer starts as one or two cells and develops into something that sucks the nutrients out of the host. Hmm... sounds similar to the beginning of a human!

i complain about abortionists calling babies parasites and they switch to calling babies cancerous growths. several billion people on this planet that do not want to die and do not wish they were never born despite whatever hardships we are faced with. this is the truth.

death is a natural occurence, you never know when you are going to die, the only reason people fear it is because they are going to miss what they have, their friendship, their love, their possessions and some fear pain.

I a z/e/f cannot expierence which I have mentioned.........None of the above and that is the fact Antrise..

a fetus enjoys music. are you telling us that if you suddenly became def you won't miss music? but that is neither here nor there. only a pompous fool thinks they are entitled to pick and choose wether another person deserves to live or die based on the quality of their existence.

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diamondsz

replied on June 17th, 2008

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antrise wrote:

diamondsz wrote:

antrise wrote:

Lilly Ivy wrote:

antrise wrote:

all this talk about parasite this and zygote that is making me sick. i didn't magically appear out of thin air or land on planet earth in a space ship. a speak from experience when i say i was created a human being and always have been a human being. wether i am in a car or a house or a mother i am a human being. being inside of a submarine doesn't make me less than human because i depend on that submarine for oxygen. and who takes care of the elderly when they get too old to to take care of themselves the offspring do and that is a symbiotic relationship.

Nothing appears out of thin air or by magic. Even cancer starts as one or two cells and develops into something that sucks the nutrients out of the host. Hmm... sounds similar to the beginning of a human!

i complain about abortionists calling babies parasites and they switch to calling babies cancerous growths. several billion people on this planet that do not want to die and do not wish they were never born despite whatever hardships we are faced with. this is the truth.

they enjoy music in the later part of the pregnancy when they become...
death is a natural occurence, you never know when you are going to die, the only reason people fear it is because they are going to miss what they have, their friendship, their love, their possessions and some fear pain.

I a z/e/f cannot expierence which I have mentioned.........None of the above and that is the fact Antrise..

a fetus enjoys music. are you telling us that if you suddenly became def you won't miss music? but that is neither here nor there. only a pompous fool thinks they are entitled to pick and choose wether another person deserves to live or die based on the quality of their existence.

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aochriss

replied on June 18th, 2008

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antrise wrote:

diamondsz wrote:

antrise wrote:

Lilly Ivy wrote:

antrise wrote:

all this talk about parasite this and zygote that is making me sick. i didn't magically appear out of thin air or land on planet earth in a space ship. a speak from experience when i say i was created a human being and always have been a human being. wether i am in a car or a house or a mother i am a human being. being inside of a submarine doesn't make me less than human because i depend on that submarine for oxygen. and who takes care of the elderly when they get too old to to take care of themselves the offspring do and that is a symbiotic relationship.

Nothing appears out of thin air or by magic. Even cancer starts as one or two cells and develops into something that sucks the nutrients out of the host. Hmm... sounds similar to the beginning of a human!

i complain about abortionists calling babies parasites and they switch to calling babies cancerous growths. several billion people on this planet that do not want to die and do not wish they were never born despite whatever hardships we are faced with. this is the truth.

death is a natural occurence, you never know when you are going to die, the only reason people fear it is because they are going to miss what they have, their friendship, their love, their possessions and some fear pain.

I a z/e/f cannot expierence which I have mentioned.........None of the above and that is the fact Antrise..

a fetus enjoys music. are you telling us that if you suddenly became def you won't miss music? but that is neither here nor there. only a pompous fool thinks they are entitled to pick and choose wether another person deserves to live or die based on the quality of their existence.

We are debating abortion here aren't we? Abortion involves non-viable embryos and fetuses. No non-viable fetus "enjoys" anything, because they aren't conscious. They aren't conscious because their brains aren't fully developed.

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antrise

replied on June 18th, 2008

Experienced User

aochriss wrote:

antrise wrote:

diamondsz wrote:

antrise wrote:

Lilly Ivy wrote:

antrise wrote:

all this talk about parasite this and zygote that is making me sick. i didn't magically appear out of thin air or land on planet earth in a space ship. a speak from experience when i say i was created a human being and always have been a human being. wether i am in a car or a house or a mother i am a human being. being inside of a submarine doesn't make me less than human because i depend on that submarine for oxygen. and who takes care of the elderly when they get too old to to take care of themselves the offspring do and that is a symbiotic relationship.

Nothing appears out of thin air or by magic. Even cancer starts as one or two cells and develops into something that sucks the nutrients out of the host. Hmm... sounds similar to the beginning of a human!

i complain about abortionists calling babies parasites and they switch to calling babies cancerous growths. several billion people on this planet that do not want to die and do not wish they were never born despite whatever hardships we are faced with. this is the truth.

death is a natural occurence, you never know when you are going to die, the only reason people fear it is because they are going to miss what they have, their friendship, their love, their possessions and some fear pain.

I a z/e/f cannot expierence which I have mentioned.........None of the above and that is the fact Antrise..

a fetus enjoys music. are you telling us that if you suddenly became def you won't miss music? but that is neither here nor there. only a pompous fool thinks they are entitled to pick and choose wether another person deserves to live or die based on the quality of their existence.

We are debating abortion here aren't we? Abortion involves non-viable embryos and fetuses. No non-viable fetus "enjoys" anything, because they aren't conscious. They aren't conscious because their brains aren't fully developed.

so you are actually trying to convince us any aborted embryo or fetus was incapable of developing the requirements that meet your standards. i doubt even abortionists are that stupid. when you kill a man you not only take away everything he has but everything he ever will have.

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antrise

replied on June 18th, 2008

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oopoopoop wrote:

antrise wrote:

all this talk about parasite this and zygote that is making me sick. i didn't magically appear out of thin air or land on planet earth in a space ship. a speak from experience when i say i was created a human being and always have been a human being. wether i am in a car or a house or a mother i am a human being. being inside of a submarine doesn't make me less than human because i depend on that submarine for oxygen. and who takes care of the elderly when they get too old to to take care of themselves the offspring do and that is a symbiotic relationship.

This isn't about you.
You are apparently suffering from some kind of paranoid delusion that you are going to be retroactively aborted. Much as this idea appeals, I understand it isn't feasible.

its called empathy. too bad you don't have any.

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