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Q: Treatment for L5/S1 migrated disc fragment
asked by: kimura on October 22nd, 2009
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I have spent the past two years of my life working hard at attaining what I consider an elevated level of health and fitness. To be precise, I took off 60 LBs, lowered my blood pressure and cholesterol and increased my stamina and strength. A big part of my life has been the reintroduction of athletic activities. I love to golf, run, play basketball and practice a martial art (Ju Jitsu). I also like my strength and conditioning program which has included weight and core training.

About 9 weeks ago I ruptured my L5/S1 disk while lowering my 8 month old into his stroller. It was a momentary lapse of focus since I have had back pain in the past and I am very cognizant of proper technique for lifting. Within a minute or two intense sciatica radiated down my right leg and into my foot. I was incapacitated for a day and immediately sought medical attention. The sciatica was diagnosed as a suspected disc herniation. I did not have an MRI right away but was prescribed physical therapy and some chiropractic care. After examination by the Physical Therapist and a Pain Management Doctor, I was found to have some loss of motor function in my right big toe.

The PT worked wonders. Within a week I was able to walk and move about for relatively long distances without pain. Within a few more weeks, my range of motion and intensity of movement improved dramatically. At that time (about 4 weeks into my treatment) I had an MRI which revealed I actually had two herniations: one at L3/L4 and one at L5/S1 which was extruded. There is a migrated fragment with the extruded disc.

Since then my condition has continued to improve. I have regained much, but not all, motor function in the big toe. The numbness is relegated only to the big toe and has decreased significantly. I have great range of movement in my back before any sciatic pain appears.

I have conservatively increased my fitness program and can now run 5K at about 85-90% of the pace I was at before the injury. I am able to lift weights at 90-95% of the weight I was at pre-injury, although I am sticking to the machines and have not tried free weights yet. I do all this pain-free.

The doctors and therapist are thrilled with the results and we have ruled out many treatment options besides the conservative care treatment I have been doing. However the migrated fragment still leaves the question of a laminectomy open.

If I want to live without some of my pre-injury activities, then surgery is clearly not recommended. But I want to return to my activities, all of them. So here is where I am unsure of how to proceed and I am seeking advice.

There are risks and benefits to the two courses of action I can take:

-Stick with conservative care - it is always good to avoid surgery. I can avoid the risk of something going wrong with the surgery as unlikely as that may be. I stand to lose less disc height. I won’t have to have any bone removed and any spinal instability that may result. I avoid post-operative recovery and care. The fragment remains which means I may never recover any disability I am experiencing now. And with my activities I could cause the fragment become an acute problem, which means I’m looking at the knife anyway.

-Get the laminectomy – This gives me the best chance to recover fully enough to resume all my activities. But, I will lose more disc height and will now be further at risk for disc herniations in the future. I will lose bone and there is the potential for spinal instability. Then there is the post-operative recovery.

My inclination is to avoid surgery, but considering the lifestyle I wish to retain I am caught in a dilemma. I am soliciting advice and opinions. And if anyone has further factors I should be considering, I am all ears.
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littleonefb
replied on October 23rd, 2009
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First of all, before you actually consider surgery, you should get a second and even a third opinion on what would be the best course of treatment for you, both short and long term.

Second, there isn't a reason to do a full laminectomy to remove that disc fragment, if that is what you decide to do. I assume that is why you mentioned a laminectomy.

A skilled orthopedic surgeon who specializes in spines and is well experienced would also be well informed and experienced in doing a far less invasive procedure called a laminotomy, which is becoming the preferred procedure for decompression, microdisectomy and removal of disc fragments.

In a laminectomy, the entire laminia is removed to reach the area of the disc. By doing this, it can create havoc, long term, with the spine and cause instability. If you have any future problems with another disc at another level, then doing a second laminectomy could destablize the spine and require a fusion.

When a laminotomy is done, only a very small piece of the lamina is removed, just enough to gain access to the disc. It can be done on one side of the lamina or on both sides. The risk of the spine becoming unstable with a laminotomy is minimal. Also, more than one laminotomy can be done on different levels and still maintain a stable spine.

Laminotomy also doesn't carry the increased risk of disc herniations either.

Another thought as well. Spine surgery should be the last option chosen when there are spinal issues. As with any surgery, there are always risks, including anesthesia, and yes, creating further problems with the spine.

Though, most people recover from spine surgery and go on with their lives, as I have, regardless, whether you have spine surgery or not, your spine will really never be the same as it was before any injury to it.

You will always have the potential for further problems, if for no other reason than you already have had one.

You have to be careful with your spine, continue to do all the core exercises that your learned to do in physical therapy and do them for the rest of your life.

Having been in the situation where no conservative measures helped me at all, I had no alternative but to have a laminotomy done to relieve the pressure on nerves in my L4/L5.

I fully recovered and returned to being able to do about 95% of my prior activities.

Had it not been for an auto accident a few years later, I wouldn't have ended up with a disc bulge at the L3/L4 that required a second laminotomy and microdisection as well.

Even after that though, I full recovered and again returned to the same 95% activity.

If given the choice you are having right now, and knowing that I had a chance for surgery in the end, but also have done well with conservative measures. Well, I would continue with the conservative measures and wait it out. You may never need the surgery and then again you might.

But either way, please get at least one more opinion, I got 7 others before I had my first surgery, and please discuss the option of having a laminotomy instead of the laminectomy.

Avoiding having the full lamina removed is something that should be done unless there are absolutely no other alternatives.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Fran
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kimura
replied on October 23rd, 2009
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Thanks for the response Fran.

You are right, I am looking at a Laminotomy not a Laminectomy. I was told that the procedure would only remove a small piece of bone. But the goal is to get the fragment out since it is highly suspected as the cause of what disability I am exeriencing now.

I am holding out hope that my condition continues to improve and this becomes a moot point. But I am concerned that I may be close to a plataeu and a return to the activities I love will require the surgery.

My doctor has also suggested a second and third opinion. So I am going to pursue that as well and may even take it for a few more opinions after that.

Thanks again.
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