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April 27th, 2010
I want to point out that a lot of people are inserting OPINION into a topic on health, which is certainly within the realm of science, not opinion. Masturbation is definitely a healthy and even productive activity, insofar as it prevents prostate cancer if it is done moderately. It can build/maintain your healthy appetite for sex -- also if done moderately. Moreover subconscious (or plain conscious) guilt could be the primary source of your psychological depression, and not the masturbation itself.

HOWEVER, many people are claiming that even overly frequent masturbation has no effect whatsoever on you, physiologically. This is simply not true. While in the early pubescent years, testosterone production increases by factors of 10 compared to pre-pubescent hormone levels, this "raging" hormone production begins to dip in the later teen years, and finally levels when entering your 20s. Around this point, overly frequent masturbation (multiple times a day, once a day, or even every other day depending on your body chemistry) can certainly have physiological effects, sometimes very pronounced (also dependent upon your individual body chemistry).

The production and maintenance of semen is quite a taxing process, and it expends quite a bit of the body''s resources and energy. The constant depletion of the body''s semen stores requires it to work overtime to restore that supply, using valuable nutrients that would otherwise go towards other processes in the body. In effect, your testes never get a chance to rest.

Now remember, the body is a complicated system of interrelated processes. When your testes are constantly producing semen, this essentially is interpreted by your anterior pituitary gland (which controls the testes via hormone regulation) that you possess too much testosterone. The pituitary doesn''t know that you''re masturbating all the time -- all it sees is that your testes are producing semen in overdrive, which is normally controlled by testosterone.

Thus, the pituitary begins to produce less Lutropin, a hormone which tells the testes to produce testosterone. The net effect of all of this is a temporary testosterone deficiency.

If you look up testosterone deficiency in men, the symptoms include "diminished libido, erectile dysfunction, muscle weakness, loss of body hair, depression, and other mood disorders."

Keep in mind, this is not the same as a long-term diagnosis of testosterone deficiency since there is nothing systemically wrong with either your pituitary or your testes. As such, the body will begin to correct the imbalance after a few days of abstaining from masturbation and allowing the testes to recover and build up a new supply of semen.

I am a graduate student in Endocrinology, the study of human hormones. I am not at all against masturbation. It is a perfectly natural and healthy practice. But like anything else, it must be done in moderation, especially after late puberty, or it can have serious, though temporary, effects on your hormonal regulatory processes. Some people may be able to masturbate every day or even multiple times a day without encountering this problem. Everyone's body chemistry is different. You must be the judge. If you notice that there is a definite physiological effect from frequent masturbation, just cut down slightly, and observe the results. As the saying goes, too much of a good thing...
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replied September 18th, 2011
Some of you PEOPLE positing here are "StudentS", "Doctors" lol any money are "FEMALES" knowing much more than a guy knows about himself LOL.

I WANT to here from guys like me who have been going through stress, fatigued, weakness all caused from masturbation (OH YES I KNOW)Becoz I am a MALE Masturbator.

Oh as for moderation, if you are in a late stage of your masturbation life (after 3 years of masturbation) there is no going back, even after a year of stopping from the practice. One stroke back to square one.


THERE IS NO MYTH, its call experience ..!
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replied April 27th, 2010
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There is no correlation between men that are more sexually active and men that have Testosterone Deficiency. In fact the opposite is generally accepted, as sexual arousal is tied to Testosterone production, men that produce it to excess are more frequently sexually active.

Your testes consume more energy maintaining tempeture then they do producing semen. Keeping your sack warm is one of the most energy intensive processes in the body next to pumping your blood. I'd be willing to bet that the caloric burn and fluids expressed in sweat and expiration from 10 minutes of masturbation probably exceed that is used in generating the semen for a single ejaculation. If not, most likely any alternate activity you perform when sexually frustrated is going to burn a good chunk of your energy and fluids and not necesarilly be any better for you than masturbation in my opinion.

Lutropin scaleback is beleived to have no long term effects. The reduction of testosterone is part of the body's natural process to override a strong instinctive drive and allow men to rest after performing their biological imperative and to provent one genetic sample from dominating the breeding pool. If there has been any science that shows that frequent orgasms cause long-term reduction in production of Lutropin, or more importantly in Testosterone, I'd be interrested in seeing it. Otherwise the damage you do by orgasm is normally repaired by a healthy night's sleep.
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replied April 27th, 2010
W0LF wrote:
There is no correlation between men that are more sexually active and men that have Testosterone Deficiency. In fact the opposite is generally accepted, as sexual arousal is tied to Testosterone production, men that produce it to excess are more frequently sexually active.


Sorry, but you are mistaking cause for effect. Men who have overactive testosterone production are generally more sexual. While there is sometimes a certain positive feedback loop involved, so that more sexual outlet can result in more production of testosterone, this is a longer term process which occurs with specific body chemistries whereas the process I illustrated is a short-term compensatory process. Moreover,

W0LF wrote:
Your testes consume more energy maintaining tempeture then they do producing semen. Keeping your sack warm is one of the most energy intensive processes in the body next to pumping your blood. I'd be willing to bet that the caloric burn and fluids expressed in sweat and expiration from 10 minutes of masturbation probably exceed that is used in generating the semen for a single ejaculation. If not, most likely any alternate activity you perform when sexually frustrated is going to burn a good chunk of your energy and fluids and not necesarilly be any better for you than masturbation in my opinion.


Yes, tremendous amounts of energy are used in the storage of semen. But the production of semen is just as taxing, and while the storage of semen requires no specific hormonal interaction, and only increased blood-flow and the related diversion of blood supply to the testes, the PRODUCTION of semen does indeed depend upon and have causal effects upon hormone secretion.

W0LF wrote:
Lutropin scaleback is beleived to have no long term effects. The reduction of testosterone is part of the body's natural process to override a strong instinctive drive and allow men to rest after performing their biological imperative and to provent one genetic sample from dominating the breeding pool. If there has been any science that shows that frequent orgasms cause long-term reduction in production of Lutropin, or more importantly in Testosterone, I'd be interrested in seeing it. Otherwise the damage you do by orgasm is normally repaired by a healthy night's sleep.


Wow. It's like you failed to read my post at all. I explicitly said this was a short term process, and that no long term effects were likely at all. But thanks for merely confirming exactly what I said. Meanwhile, here's an excerpt from an article which mentions over-masturbation:
"Frequent masturbation (Over Masturbation) and ejaculation stimulate excessive acetylcholine/parasympathetic nervous functions. This can result in over production of sex hormones and neuro-transmitters (the chemical substances that make your nerves send the messages to your body and brain) such as acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin.

A large amount of these hormones and neurotransmitters causes the brain and the adrenal glands to perform excessive dopamine-norepinephrine-epinephrine conversion. This causes the brain and the body functions to become extremely sympathetic. With Over Masturbation, there is actually a big change in the body chemistry."

And while recovery from this type of temporary hormonal imbalance is very quick, for certain individuals, twenty-four hours may not be enough recovery time. Like I said previously, it's all dependent upon the individuals body chemistry. Just because you can pop one off every 6 hours and still be ready to party doesn't mean everyone else can do the same.

Seriously, stop trying to defend something blindly with no regard for the hard science.
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replied April 27th, 2010
Extremely eHealthy
Thankyou for agreeing with my points and your acknowledgement that your arguments are not a validation for any claim that masturbation can cause depression.
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replied September 18th, 2011
You want VALIDATION ? here I am, I am the validation masturbation kills men it eats you slowly and slowly and you don't even know, you get depressed, fatigued, vision problems, hair loss, Memory loss (Major-one).

Problem with people is that they believe doctors, why ? becoz of their medical "degree". Recent science shows that 50% of men get heart attack without cholesterol being a factor at all.

If above factors are not going to cause depression than I don't know what will.

You are a women for crying out loud you know nothing. I am talking form EXPERIENCE not by reading stupid books or articles that make money.
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replied May 5th, 2010
Well... I''ve been there and done that.

I found that I used to get depressed after masturbation...or what I called an "O-Down" (orgasm low). It took some figuring out...but i came to the root of my problem.

Zinc is a very complex mineral. Low Zinc in your system may contribute greatly towards depression, and Zinc is also a very important contributor towards testosterone and in effect...sperm production. If you over use your sperm production facility, you may deplete your internal Zinc resources, thus resulting in your depression. Not everyone is affected this way, but the balance of chemicals within your system is worthy of noting. See how long after a self manipulated orgasm your depression runs for... and if you can keep your hands off yourself (which I have had great difficulty doing) try and go several days and your perky self may well return. I don''t think its the porn... I think its the Zinc. I bought some Zinc supplements and they did wonders. They are NOT for sustained use and as I am NOT a doctor or expert in ANY way, I suggest getting a professional opinion before trying this.However... just adding another avenue to think about.

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replied May 5th, 2010
Extremely eHealthy
Semen doesn't contain that much zinc. You'd need to be dangerously deficient in zinc or producing an abnormal amount of testosterone for orgasm to ever have a significant impact on zinc levels. Depression is also a fairly unusual effect of Zinc deficiency, however it's more common effects are joint pain and compromised immune defense.
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replied May 5th, 2010
W0LF...you really don''t have a clue do you...

Its not the semen that has zinc...but the zinc enhances the testosterone level which in turn affects semen production.Many people are unaware of how low their Zinc levels are and live life not understanding or realising the mood drops due to this and ''low'' becomes the norm to them.

Zinc plays a HUGELY important part in depression levels and all I am saying is...I am speaking in OPINION from my own EXPERIENCE.It won''t be the same for everyone and all I was doing was giving another possible avenue for sufferers...

That is all
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replied May 5th, 2010
Extremely eHealthy
Let me offer you a clue that I do have. I am speaking on scientific fact. The production of semen is a tertiary use of Zinc in the body. A fraction of the amount used in the process of consuming large burrito. Spending any amount of time with Zinc levels needed to have a significant affect on someone with a Depression disorder would have clear and pronounced primary side effects first. They would experience joint swelling with associated soreness. Barring exceptional diet and rest they would be very vulnerable to illness within a very short time, catching colds and flus very easily. They would experience some difficulty with concentration, possibly having bouts of being unable to function or manage memory. In fact people who are unable to absorb sufficient Zinc would have virtually all the symptoms people are attributing to excessive masturbation, plus a few others that could easily be ignored.

You definitely could could have a massively efficient digestion and immune system that uses very little zinc, combined with severe depression that is massively influenced by your long term Zinc deficiency but virtually nobody else would share this problem with you. Typical males could masturbate day in and out and the food they ate to give them enough energy to keep masturbating would consume much more Zinc than replenishing their semen. It's just takes a perfect metabolic storm. You literally have to be born to have depression this way in order for it to cause depression this way.
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replied May 6th, 2010
I disagree... and science doesn''t know everything!(pretty much just like you obviously)

Everyone is different and everyone will react in a different way.You can''t say that just because YOU would not react this way that many others wouldn''t either.Ever heard of evolution Mr Scientist?Metaphysical changes to compensate for the current environment.We as a race have changed... our diets have changed... and therefore our physiology has changed in a way that science is unable to keep up with.If they could... I''m sure they would have a cure for aids by now.Now my brother IS a doctor... and although he doesn''t completely agree with my self assessment (in fact he repeated a large amount of what YOU possibly quote out of a text book), he has noted a DRAMATIC improvement in me and is looking further into his scientific data to see WHY this is working.That IS fact...!

Anyway... it was only an opinion for peoples consideration... your ''fact'' is no strong than my opinion.
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replied May 6th, 2010
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I want to emphasize that an opinion, based on casual observation is absolutely meaningless in the face of confirmed factual evidence. It does not matter how hard you have an opinion that the world is flat or how hard you sail. You are not going off that edge for he life of you.

I'm also going to give you fair warning Zinc. You have a lot of good points to express but if you can't manage to express them without insulting commentary they're getting reported.
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replied May 6th, 2010
OMG...is the world NOT FLAT?????A pointless asimile.That is something that is similarily tangible for all humans due to the physiology of one thing.... the planet. What I am talking of is something that has an intangible state due to the individual physiology of 6 billion people.Sure... we mostly have similar makeup... but totally defining how all people work due to the discoveries of a few I think is very small-minded.Science is being surprised and baffled on a daily basis.

The reality of the situation is... it worked for ME.

Report me... kick me off this thread... I don''t give a flying squirrel what you do... as I was only here to offer my personal experience to those that might seek a different solution. You on the other hand are so busy running down peoples LIFE EXPERIENCES (not just what some person decided to put into a text book) and trying to command the thread with your ''knowledge'', the only person you are insulting... is yourself.

Actually... I am going to save you the bother... I am removing myself from this forum if this as how people and their opinions are treated at eHealth.

Good bye W0LFIE and may you never find yourself in a situation where an alterior solution is required... for I think you will fail to see it through your rose-coloured glasses.

Z.
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replied May 6th, 2010
Does this topic strictly adhere to male only masturbation?
Because, women/girls masturbate too although from what I hear, they more often tend to lose their libido during depression and or on treatment of various drugs.
Something else that is worth thinking about is that people (like animals) are programmed to reproduce, it is our core and built in code, when you are so depressed you cant think of anything else except the preasure of procreation (in the animal sense, just sex, not raising babies) then your body might be psychologically getting ready to turn the switch, but making sure you've left your contribution to the gene-pool first.

BTW on the "scientific" note, there are people who are genetically predisposed to depression. You being depressed is almost never your fault. If masturbating makes you happy, even just a little bit, dont let what people say or the meds (that 'might'rid you of depression) take that away with some ill-tested theory.
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replied May 6th, 2010
Extremely eHealthy
Well it was actually originally about male masturbation being a possible cause of depression but in truth female masturbation seems more likely to aggravate depression then men do. many women experience a feeling of isolation from masturbation. I imagine that could be difficult from someone suffering from depression. Still the solution there would be treating the depression rather than ignoring the problem and abstaining from healthy habits.

To any others reading this. If you find that knowledge is dominating your opinions that's anything but something to walk away from. It may seem redundant to say this but it constantly amazes me how often it's not common sense; When your opinions don't agree with accepted knowledge, it is time to re-evaluate your opinion, not your relationship with new information. Everything I know today has come from a constant process of challenging my beliefs.
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replied May 9th, 2010
W0LF wrote:
To any others reading this. If you find that knowledge is dominating your opinions that's anything but something to walk away from. It may seem redundant to say this but it constantly amazes me how often it's not common sense; When your opinions don't agree with accepted knowledge, it is time to re-evaluate your opinion, not your relationship with new information. Everything I know today has come from a constant process of challenging my beliefs.


Which is why you assail every opinion which differs from your own? Obviously, this tells us that you believe your opinion to be fact. I offer an opinion as a graduate student in Endocrinology, which I think gives me just a tiny bit of medical knowledge on the subject, and you dismiss it as though a five year old had walked by and handed you a pretty drawing...

The fact that you continually patrol this topic to deny any connection between depression and masturbation, if anything, tells the rest of us that you have some psychological need to compensate for your inner insecurities with depression by defending it vehemently on this board. Just because you enjoy masturbation doesn't make it an activity which has no biochemical consequences.

Zinc's point is related to mine, and while he may have wrongly focused on a single chemical in a complex series of hormone suppression/regulation, he was heading in the right direction -- that is, that overly frequent masturbation can AND HAS caused temporary hormonal imbalance in certain portions of the population, one of the most common symptoms of which is DEPRESSION-LIKE SYMPTOMS. That is, lethargy, decreased libido, loss of appetite, etc.

Perhaps the main point someone like you, Wolf, should be making is that this is not technically depression --- if you consider depression to be a condition of psychological and not physiological origin. I won't argue that point, and I think mental disorders are more physiological than most people believe, but its certainly the only argument left for this topic. It is HARD SCIENCE (pardon the pun) that masturbation affects hormone levels on a temporary basis, and if that masturbation is overly frequent, the body is, in some cases, unable to continue normal hormone regulation. Just because it doesn't happen to YOU doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

On a related note, since you seem to be so uppity about your scientific qualifications to be making such sweeping generalizations and to be policing this board, turning down opinions with which you don't agree, how about you tell us WHAT YOUR SCIENTIFIC QUALIFICATIONS ARE?

I'll start: PhD candidate in Endocrinology. Your turn.
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replied May 9th, 2010
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Without going into the fine points of this thread, I believe that over masturbation could cause depression...IMO, it is not natural for a person to become their own favorite lover...By doing this something big is lost in their own sexuality....It not only harms them, but in the end their partner will suffer...This I have found in my own experience with masturbation in the last few years...Before that time I hardly ever masturbated...I mean like maybe two or three times a year....It was really quite a new awakening to life....And may I add a somewhat scary revelation...Take care...

Caroline
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replied May 9th, 2010
Extremely eHealthy
Really personal attacks? And discrediting my information as based on opinion? Nifty. Some sort of counterpoint that offered information that could be tied to facts would have been preferred but go with what you have.

You seem to remember that I've contributed often to this thread, sadly you didn't read what I said. Let me sum up.

-There is a relationship between depression and orgasm/masturbation.

-It is not causal.

-male orgasm stimulates production of hormones that balance mood and help fight depression.

-There are people who suffer adverse affects following ejaculation/Masturbation including periods of worsened, and I stress "worsened", depression. Given conservative estimates of how many men masturbate on a daily basis and how few people complain of this problem, I'm betting non-trivial cases of this occur less often that misdiagnoses of serious medical problems does.

-There is no recognized medical disorder that I'm aware of at this time that that links Masturbation with Depression.

To all of this I will add that there are a LOT of psychological disorders that link feelings of lethargy or aches or low mood with the act of masturbation or activities that stimulate the endocrine system. There is no temporary version of the Depression disorder. While it can be activated by drops or excesses of hormone it would require extended periods of deprivation of serration to chemically cause depression.

How did I discover that the human body consumes more zinc digesting a 1 lb borrito than it does producing a full ejaculation of semen? I skimmed a nutrition textbook while I was at a used book store and did a simple web search for "Zinc Ejaculation". The information was produced by M.D.s which are also doctorates. If you're interested your body also consumes more zinc both growing hair and skin for 24 hours than it does in a normal ejaculation. It's information anyone can look up with a little effort if they have a very basic understanding of physiology.

Your turn. You have a PHD in endocrinology. Is there chemical process from male orgasm that causes a reduction in serration or Dopamine or sets up another derivation of aggravating existing depression that would effect someone with a normal Endocrine system?
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replied May 11th, 2010
I quoted this from another website earlier:
""Frequent masturbation (Over Masturbation) and ejaculation stimulate excessive acetylcholine/parasympathetic nervous functions. This can result in over production of sex hormones and neuro-transmitters (the chemical substances that make your nerves send the messages to your body and brain) such as acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin.

A large amount of these hormones and neurotransmitters causes the brain and the adrenal glands to perform excessive dopamine-norepinephrine-epinephrine conversion. This causes the brain and the body functions to become extremely sympathetic. With Over Masturbation, there is actually a big change in the body chemistry."

After doing some brief digging through some textbooks from undergrad, I easily found the exact chemical sequence that you can research as reason for this fatigue, and not just the above, which is overly vague about which chemicals are specifically involved.

Remember that the release of a single chemical can cause a chain reaction in the brain. Indeed, this is how most particularly brain activities function. One of the main chemical events that occurs after ejaculation is the release of the pituitary hormone Prolactin. This hormone is responsible for "recovery times" in men -- higher prolactin means higher recovery time. Prolactin isn't harmful in itself, but when the brain detects excess Prolactin, it will begin to produce Prolactin's inhibitor, Dopamine. Then, when the brain detects excess dopamine, even temporarily due to, let's say, Prolactin elevation, the brain begins the natural dopamine reduction process by converting excess dopamine into norepinephrine. Both dopamine and norepinephrine are part of a group of neurotransmitters known as catecholamines, which are the triggers of the sympathetic nervous system, which controls reactions to stress, both physical and psychological. This is why they are known as the "flight-or-fight" chemicals.
High levels of dopamine and norepinephrin are also associated with stimulants, such as caffeine, amphetamines, and cocaine.

And what does the body do after any sympathetic response, from sudden surprise to stimulant use? It "calms itself down" by means of the parasympathetic nervous system, speeding the conversion of leftover dopamine to norepinephrine so that this cheimical can in turn be broken down into actylcholine. The end result is low levels of both dopamine and norepinephrine, similar to the come down after a stimulant!

Low levels of dopamine and norepinephrine are: "depression, loss of motor control, loss of satisfaction, addictions, cravings, compulsions, low sex drive, poor attention and focus."

Now, many people have brains which are adept enough at sympathetic/parasympathetic balancing that they do not experience significant effects from a sympathetic response. These people are, by logical extension, less likely to experience depression, ADHD, or other disorders caused by autonomic imbalances.

However, a growing number of individuals have overly "sensitive" autonomic regulation, and these are the people who are prone to depression and other disorders. This does not mean that they will definitely have a disorder, but only that they are statistically more likely to experience one, by definition. If a person with weaker regulatory mechanisms constantly experiences stress, this will greatly increase the chances of an overall chemical imbalance, until the constant stress is removed.

I don't think the science is any more clear. I'm not claiming that masturbation will give just anyone depression. I've never claimed that. What I am claiming is that certain people with predisposition to depression might agitate that predisposition by masturbating, since masturbation, in the end, results in a temporary sympathetic/parasympathetic response which can throw an overly sensitive system off balance. Moreover, the sympathetic "high" that results from masturbation, especially the endorphin high, can lead to compulsive repetition of the behavior, to the point where one needs to do it to feel "normal," similar to any other psychological addiction, which only increases the stress on the hormone regulation process by reinforcing the behavior and increasing its frequency.

In short, masturbating seven times a day won't cause you to go kill yourself. But in certain portions of the population susceptible to oversympathetic response, it can agitate a predisposition to depression inherent in the individual.

Is this specific enough for you? I'm trying not to be hostile, as I see that you're just doing what a scientist would -- looking for data -- and not trying to be simply dismissive.
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replied May 11th, 2010
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This is very in-depth but it still doesn't describe a causal relationship. Without prior depression or a developmental abnormality that turns orgasm into depression, excited dopamine and seratonin produciton are depression inhibitors.
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replied May 13th, 2010
I have noticed in 18 years of masturbating a few distinct patterns that have been cause for alarm. At times when I was single I have found that excessive masturbation led to extreme apathy. At times immediately after a breakup (such as right now unfortunately) I have found that masturbation significantly contributes to overall depression, and also involves a distinct "crash" shortly afterwards. Whenever I have been with a girl this is not he case, though there are occasional feelings of mild guilt in those cases. Here's the part that I know to be a fact: masturbation creates an endorphin rush immediately after climax that is quite pleasureable. The problem is that when you are depressed, your body does not generate a lot of endorphins, and these have a great deal of sway over your positive emotions. Normally your body releases these gradually to equalize your mood, but masturbation tends to tap out the gland, leaving you unable to feel good at all. You basically get a quick rush of very positive feeling, followed by an extended crash. The more you masturbate, the more you tax your bodys ability to produce endorphins, and the more difficult it becomes to feel good at all when you are not rubbing one out. This creates dependency because we all seek positive feelings, but it is really contributing to ongoing depression. After a breakup it is particularly bad, as sexuality in general is closely linked to the need for companionship. When having normal sex you are helping to reinforce an emotional bond with your partner. When you break up you need to get over the bond you had with the person because it no longer exists. When you masturbate in these circumstances it only serves to underline your general feelings of loneliness and inadequacy that are quite natural following the loss of a partner. It becomes even more apparent that they are gone and brings on a wave of regret that you can no longer share the experience together. I have overcome depression three times in my life without the use of medication, and I have found that it is best to avoid masturbation altogether until you begin to look forward and stop looking backward. Your body is in a traumatic state and is trying to adjust to a serious change in routine. We are all creatures of habit, and this is a difficult process even when breaking a routine that you know was bad for you, and if you still have positive emotional attachment iti is even more difficult. Taking a break will help you get closure, and make it much easier to move forward in a positive way, so try to do anything to keep your hands busy and off your junk until you at least get over the initial shock. Definetely wait at least three weeks if you can, and go for 6 or more if you can. If it was a long term relationship or you are in he midst of a long stretch of solitude try to cut it out of your life completely until you find some direction, but don't beat yourself up over it if you slip up once in a while. It is a basic body function after all and it needs to be relieved from time to time. Focus on work, school, art, music, the gym, anything that has a positive benefit to your life and builds lasting skills or connection with others. Another way to accomplish this is to use it only as a reward for making positive changes in your life. Using a little Pavlov style psychology against yourself can work wonders to improve your general attitude. This has been my experience, I hope some people find this helpful.
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replied May 14th, 2010
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Oh boy...
So, in essence, a couple that has sex frequently have a greater chance of depression? I mean really, what difference does it make weather you orgasm through intercourse or masturbation...the end result physically is what it is either way.
Really, if I am reading this right, what you posters with your PHD are saying is the chemical and biological reactions to producing semen and releasing it through orgasm consume the body's energy and increase or decrease hormone levels to the point of the body reacting negatively and thus...depression? Personally, the more I orgasm the better I feel. I function better, I am more focused, have more confidence, better concentration, more relaxed, higher feeling of self worth... With a partner or alone. It's not just a few minutes that I feel good either. Think I have to agree that if masturbation produces any kind of depression its not the physical reaction, its the mental and emotional effects. If it's depressing, there is already a pre disposition for depression and guilt. I don't understand the guilt but that's a whole other topic.
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