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i thought this would be an interesting topic. i know that people who own pit bulls seem to be fiercely insistent that they are harmless and gentle. i, myself am afraid of them because of all of the stories i have heard about them attacking and seriously injuring or killing people. i have known people who have them and have seen them hanging from tire swings for long periods of time to show the strength of their jaws and how tenacious they are when it comes to biting something and not letting go. i just would never have one of these dogs around smaller children. i think rottweilers are another breed i would just prefer to keep away from my children if not all children. i know that they can show loyalty and docility but the fact is they are animals that are bred a certain way and you just can't predict what they will do. i'm not a dog hater or anything, i'm just afraid of what certain dogs are capable of because of their breeding and temperments and i worry about people who refuse to see any possibility of danger with these breeds. i know that other dog breeds can attack but with dogs like these, the chance of a child surviving that attack seems a lot more remote. i looked some stuff up on this just for my own information. this is some of what the aspca says about pit bulls:
Pit bulls are descendants of the original English bull-baiting dog-dogs who were bred to attack bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head. They were taught to hang on without releasing their grip, until they were exhausted from fighting and from loss of blood. Although animal baiting was banned in the 1800s, people decided to try fighting their dogs against each other instead.
As the "sport" of dog fighting developed, enthusiasts bred a lighter, more athletic canine. These dogs made their way to North America, the ancestors of today's pit bulls. The problems started when these dogs gained the attention of people looking for a macho dog-and to meet their demands, unscrupulous and uncaring breeders are producing puppies that are not only aggressive to other dogs, but to people, too.
Aggression to other dogs is a serious issue with this breed. Early socialization is essential for pit puppies, though your best efforts may not override a dog's genetics. Regardless of early experience, some pits will become dog-aggressive when they reach maturity. A pit bull who doesn't like other dogs cannot be let loose in dog runs or other public places. Some are also dangerous around cats, so please choose carefully if you have other pets.
- Due to their strength and exuberance, pit bulls are best placed with families with older children.
Pit bulls are descendants of the original English bull-baiting dog-dogs who were bred to attack bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head. They were taught to hang on without releasing their grip, until they were exhausted from fighting and from loss of blood. Although animal baiting was banned in the 1800s, people decided to try fighting their dogs against each other instead.
As the "sport" of dog fighting developed, enthusiasts bred a lighter, more athletic canine. These dogs made their way to North America, the ancestors of today's pit bulls. The problems started when these dogs gained the attention of people looking for a macho dog-and to meet their demands, unscrupulous and uncaring breeders are producing puppies that are not only aggressive to other dogs, but to people, too.
Aggression to other dogs is a serious issue with this breed. Early socialization is essential for pit puppies, though your best efforts may not override a dog's genetics. Regardless of early experience, some pits will become dog-aggressive when they reach maturity. A pit bull who doesn't like other dogs cannot be let loose in dog runs or other public places. Some are also dangerous around cats, so please choose carefully if you have other pets.
- Due to their strength and exuberance, pit bulls are best placed with families with older children.
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i would never take a chance and have those kinda dogs around my young kids.
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the number one dog to attck children is a chiuhuahua
the second known dog is a rottweiler and the 3rd is a poodle
pit bulls come in number 7 and the most attcks pit bulls have are on other dogs
i have 3 pit bulls that have groen up with kids and they are by far most the sweetstd dogs
it depends how you raise them
their backround has become a myth based on the few that have attacked
the second known dog is a rottweiler and the 3rd is a poodle
pit bulls come in number 7 and the most attcks pit bulls have are on other dogs
i have 3 pit bulls that have groen up with kids and they are by far most the sweetstd dogs
it depends how you raise them
their backround has become a myth based on the few that have attacked
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ok. question. if you had to choose between a chihuahua attacking your child or a pit bull, which would you pick?
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lol well tahts a point but like i said pit bulls rarely attack
and chiuhua attacks have caused horrible injuries
there was a child in dallas last year that was attcked by a chi and lost his eye because of it
and chiuhua attacks have caused horrible injuries
there was a child in dallas last year that was attcked by a chi and lost his eye because of it
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Right in my city in Massachusetts a pack of pit bulls (3 of them) that got loose from someones yard was running around and seriously mauled a woman walking down the street with her cocker spaniel. The dogs killed her dog and she was ripped apart and had to get like 2000 stitches or something ridiculous like that....scary
I know pits aren't the only one but that's just an example of something that I know of.
I know pits aren't the only one but that's just an example of something that I know of.
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something to think about...
Dog Bite Statistics and Children
The leading cause of injury in children is while playing on the playground, with dog bites following a close second. 75% of the time and more, children are bitten by the dog in the face. Children also account for the majority of fatalities because of dog bites.
Miscellaneous Dog Bite Statistics
Males get bitten by dogs more than females do, with male dogs also biting people more often than female dogs.
A shocking majority of dog bites are caused by domestic dogs, with strays accounting for a miniscule percentage of dog bites.
A young dog (between the ages of 1 and 5) is more likely to bite someone than an older dog (6 years and over).
Pure bred dogs are involved in less biting incidents than mixed breed dogs.
In 15-20% of dog bite cases, the person was bitten by a dog not familiar to them. The rest of the number is made up of known dogs biting people.
The insurance industry pays out billions of dollars each year in dog bite related cases. The average insurance claim in 2003, for a dog bite on homeownerâs insurance, was $16,600.
Dog Bite Statistics and Children
The leading cause of injury in children is while playing on the playground, with dog bites following a close second. 75% of the time and more, children are bitten by the dog in the face. Children also account for the majority of fatalities because of dog bites.
Miscellaneous Dog Bite Statistics
Males get bitten by dogs more than females do, with male dogs also biting people more often than female dogs.
A shocking majority of dog bites are caused by domestic dogs, with strays accounting for a miniscule percentage of dog bites.
A young dog (between the ages of 1 and 5) is more likely to bite someone than an older dog (6 years and over).
Pure bred dogs are involved in less biting incidents than mixed breed dogs.
In 15-20% of dog bite cases, the person was bitten by a dog not familiar to them. The rest of the number is made up of known dogs biting people.
The insurance industry pays out billions of dollars each year in dog bite related cases. The average insurance claim in 2003, for a dog bite on homeownerâs insurance, was $16,600.
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it depends how the dog is raised
there backround and ancestors meens nothing
you can raise any dog to attck on command
there backround and ancestors meens nothing
you can raise any dog to attck on command
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heres something else thats interesting to think about
german shepards are the #1 used dogs in police forces. the german sheprad is also one of the most agreesive dog breeds and has one of the highest rank in dog bite statistice
heres the article: Mixed breeds and not pure bred dogs are the type of dog most often involved in inflicting bites to people. The pure-bred dogs most often involved are German shepherds and Chow chows.
The increase in population of large dogs has resulted in an increased severity of bites. German shepherds were identified as the breed involved in 44% of all bite cases
german shepards are the #1 used dogs in police forces. the german sheprad is also one of the most agreesive dog breeds and has one of the highest rank in dog bite statistice
heres the article: Mixed breeds and not pure bred dogs are the type of dog most often involved in inflicting bites to people. The pure-bred dogs most often involved are German shepherds and Chow chows.
The increase in population of large dogs has resulted in an increased severity of bites. German shepherds were identified as the breed involved in 44% of all bite cases
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Although the numbers suggest a breed-related problem for pit bulls and Rottweilers, the researchers cautioned that "any dog of any breed can bite."
"its not a Rottweiler problem or a pit bull problem," said Randall Lockwood, the Humane Society's vice president for research and educational outreach. "It's a people problem."
knowledge that the CDC statistics are inaccurate, and the methodology by which the statistics acquired flawed, we can easily begin to poke holes in those arguments which BSL supporters use to make their claims about âpitbullsâ as dangerous. One flaw in the statistics comes from the difficulty on the part of the average person (and even the experts) to identify a breed of dog accurately, especially under extreme stress such as occurs during an attack (JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000, p. 838). As such, many victim and bystander reports are specious. For instance, a person could be bitten or killed by a Labrador, and if the victim or witnesses claim it was a âpitbull,â then the breed would most likely be reported accordingly. In other words, breed identification is subjective. With the media reporting a majority of the time on âpitbulls,â which breed of dog do you think will be cited as responsible most often by victims of dog bites? The media has worked the idea of âpitbullsâ as vicious into the collective conscious and in turn victims of dog bites often draw on this erroneous media reporting to finger âpitbullsâ as culpable for a dog attack whether the dog responsible was a âpitbullâ or not.
http://www.nopitbullbans.com/?page_id=32
"its not a Rottweiler problem or a pit bull problem," said Randall Lockwood, the Humane Society's vice president for research and educational outreach. "It's a people problem."
knowledge that the CDC statistics are inaccurate, and the methodology by which the statistics acquired flawed, we can easily begin to poke holes in those arguments which BSL supporters use to make their claims about âpitbullsâ as dangerous. One flaw in the statistics comes from the difficulty on the part of the average person (and even the experts) to identify a breed of dog accurately, especially under extreme stress such as occurs during an attack (JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000, p. 838). As such, many victim and bystander reports are specious. For instance, a person could be bitten or killed by a Labrador, and if the victim or witnesses claim it was a âpitbull,â then the breed would most likely be reported accordingly. In other words, breed identification is subjective. With the media reporting a majority of the time on âpitbulls,â which breed of dog do you think will be cited as responsible most often by victims of dog bites? The media has worked the idea of âpitbullsâ as vicious into the collective conscious and in turn victims of dog bites often draw on this erroneous media reporting to finger âpitbullsâ as culpable for a dog attack whether the dog responsible was a âpitbullâ or not.
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Re: Pit Bulls And Children...
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| i thought this would be an interesting topic. i know that people who own pit bulls seem to be fiercely insistent that they are harmless and gentle. i, myself am afraid of them because of all of the stories i have heard about them attacking and seriously injuring or killing people. i have known people who have them and have seen them hanging from tire swings for long periods of time to show the strength of their jaws and how tenacious they are when it comes to biting something and not letting go. i just would never have one of these dogs around smaller children. i think rottweilers are another breed i would just prefer to keep away from my children if not all children. i know that they can show loyalty and docility but the fact is they are animals that are bred a certain way and you just can't predict what they will do. i'm not a dog hater or anything, i'm just afraid of what certain dogs are capable of because of their breeding and temperments and i worry about people who refuse to see any possibility of danger with these breeds. i know that other dog breeds can attack but with dogs like these, the chance of a child surviving that attack seems a lot more remote. i looked some stuff up on this just for my own information. this is some of what the aspca says about pit bulls:
Pit bulls are descendants of the original English bull-baiting dog-dogs who were bred to attack bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head. They were taught to hang on without releasing their grip, until they were exhausted from fighting and from loss of blood. Although animal baiting was banned in the 1800s, people decided to try fighting their dogs against each other instead. As the "sport" of dog fighting developed, enthusiasts bred a lighter, more athletic canine. These dogs made their way to North America, the ancestors of today's pit bulls. The problems started when these dogs gained the attention of people looking for a macho dog-and to meet their demands, unscrupulous and uncaring breeders are producing puppies that are not only aggressive to other dogs, but to people, too. Aggression to other dogs is a serious issue with this breed. Early socialization is essential for pit puppies, though your best efforts may not override a dog's genetics. Regardless of early experience, some pits will become dog-aggressive when they reach maturity. A pit bull who doesn't like other dogs cannot be let loose in dog runs or other public places. Some are also dangerous around cats, so please choose carefully if you have other pets. - Due to their strength and exuberance, pit bulls are best placed with families with older children. |
i have rescued dogs for 2 years now
thats what i do for a living
im the youngest person im the state of TEXAS to EVER do rescue and have saved over 1200 dogs lives in the past 2 yrs and 33 dogs in the past 3 months
i have had over 100 pit bulls that have been rescues and i can tell you taht 99% of them went to a home with kids under 5 and all of them are doing great
ive never had a problem
"It is frustrating for me personally because people who want to enact Breed Specific Legislation keep using the report to try and make a case against pit bulls. The whole point of our summary was to explain you can't do that." Dr Gail Golab
Dr. Cornelia Wagner, D.V.M.
âBlaming the genetic make-up of the dog is wrong. Environmental and learning effects are always stronger than genetic influence."
Karen Delise, Author of Fatal Dog Attacks
"In reviewing and studying over 448 cases of fatal dog attacks in the United States, it is apparent that the three most critical factors that contribute to a fatal dog attack are: function of the dog, owner responsibility, and reproductive status of the dog. There is no documented case where a single, neutered, household Pit Bull was the cause of a human fatality.â
Lehr Brisbin
âThe studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure, and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any other breed of dog of comparable size and build. Further there is no evidence for the existence of any kind of âlocking mechanismâ unique to the structure of the jaws and/or teeth of pit bulls.â
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I didn't read most of the other posts. My opinion is that any dog can be, or has the capacity to be dangerous around children if given the opportunity. I'm not saying that every dog will be nasty to a child, but parents should always beware of a dog with a child.
Sometimes it's the dog that you would never ever in a million years suspect to bite or attack a child that does the most damage. Sometimes dogs just snap.
If .I were a dog and had some little kid sticking their fingers in my ears, eyes, and pulling on my fur, .I would bite them.
Pitbulls, .Rotties, and .Dobies get a bad rap, because they are big dogs capable of big damage, but imo little dogs have much bigger attitudes than big dogs, their mouths are just smaller.
Sometimes it's the dog that you would never ever in a million years suspect to bite or attack a child that does the most damage. Sometimes dogs just snap.
If .I were a dog and had some little kid sticking their fingers in my ears, eyes, and pulling on my fur, .I would bite them.
Pitbulls, .Rotties, and .Dobies get a bad rap, because they are big dogs capable of big damage, but imo little dogs have much bigger attitudes than big dogs, their mouths are just smaller.
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some of the things i know about pit bulls that make them different from other dog breeds are; most dogs (including german shepherds) will fight as a last resort after growling, showing teeth and other posturing have failed, whereas pit bulls attack without warning and are not afraid of pain. a german shepherd for example, will try to take down an opponent by grabbing a part of them and wrestling them down whereas a pit bull goes for the throat or neck and attempts to tear it by holding on and shaking. when other dogs show signs of submission, lying with their belly up, many pit bulls will disembowel the other dog rather than accepting their submission. pit bulls have a very high tolerance for pain and are bred to never back off. their attacks last a lot longer than other dogs because they aren't afraid to sustain injuries while fighting.
this is all stuff i've heard from people who own these dogs. they don't fight them or anything. i've heard stories about all that and it's so disgusting what people put these dogs through for their own "entertainment". i seriously don't have a problem with that breed per se, i just would be extra, extra cautious around them and wouldn't have one around my child. that said, i agree that you have to watch any size or breed of dog around kids and teach kids to respect them (ie. not pulling their tails or playing rough with them).
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this is all stuff i've heard from people who own these dogs. they don't fight them or anything. i've heard stories about all that and it's so disgusting what people put these dogs through for their own "entertainment". i seriously don't have a problem with that breed per se, i just would be extra, extra cautious around them and wouldn't have one around my child. that said, i agree that you have to watch any size or breed of dog around kids and teach kids to respect them (ie. not pulling their tails or playing rough with them).
* edited 'cause i forgot how to spell shepherd
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I would never have a pit bull or rott around a small child. I have a chihuahuah though and I'm not the least bit afraid of him seriously harming one of my children in the future (he actually lives with my mom, but I'm so attached, I still refer to him possessively 
). I honestly don't know how I feel about large dogs with small children in general.
). I honestly don't know how I feel about large dogs with small children in general.
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I don't have a fear or phobia of dogs myself, but I get very nervous about dogs around my baby. How many stories have we heard of a child being attacked by a dog who had never hurt so much as a fly before?
My daughter's safety is far too important to me to take that risk. Because even if you know your dog inside and out, you can't predict what will happen, so that's exactly what you're doing: risking your child's safety. I would never forgive myself if something happened - never.
My daughter's safety is far too important to me to take that risk. Because even if you know your dog inside and out, you can't predict what will happen, so that's exactly what you're doing: risking your child's safety. I would never forgive myself if something happened - never.
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| Jude-Love wrote: |
| I would never have a pit bull or rott around a small child. I have a chihuahuah though and I'm not the least bit afraid of him seriously harming one of my children in the future (he actually lives with my mom, but I'm so attached, I still refer to him possessively ). I honestly don't know how I feel about large dogs with small children in general. |
well i think you should rethink this
a chiuhahua attcked a child last yera in dallas and ripped out his eye!!!!!
there is also no EVIDENCE SCIENTIFICALLY that pt bulls have a lock jaw mecahnism in their body
tahts false info
most of the things your saying is false information and that makes it worse on the breed! you should reaserch your info before you post it!
do you all know exactly what a pit bull is? there is no such breed?! a "pit bull" refers to these breeds
bull mastiffs
mastiffs
bulldogs
bull terriers
amstaff terriers
minature english and american bulldogs and about 5 other dog breeds! all of which are great family pets
its unfair to say they are dangerous
your being completely racist
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| i would never take a chance and have those kinda dogs around my young kids. |
Same.
I have a chihuaha cross jack russell puppy, shes great with my son (hes 4). I waited until he was older to get a dog, I wouldnt risk having any around a baby.
At the end of the day they are still animals, you have to be careful.
I originally wanted a larger breed such as a golden retriever or labrador who are said to be great with kids, but my concerns for the safety of jay came first. So I ended up getting our puppy because shes such a small breed that if she ever attacks him, it wont be half as damaging as a pit-bull attack or other larger dog.
A child stands no chance if a pitbull, for whatever reason, decided to attack.
I agree with other people it depends on how you raise them aswell.
The breeds in our dog arent said to have have the best temperment for children, but shes been with very young kids since birth, lived with 4 kids under 6yrs old before I got her. She seems to adore children. Whenever we go out she gets all excited around them and lets them stroke her etc etc. I take her to my sons pre school everyday because the kids there love her and she really enjoys being with them.
I wish people would keep their dogs on a leash, no matter what size they are - while outside, and make sure they cant escape from their home/garden. We were chased the other day (the puppy and I) fortunately jay was at pre-school.
Thegirlfriend, the thing with all the mastiff breeds, is when they bite someone, they dont let go. Therefore the damage they cause is always extensive. I just couldnt risk those breeds around my child.
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| it depends how the dog is raised
there backround and ancestors meens nothing you can raise any dog to attck on command |
This is so true. unfortunately pitbulls get such a bad stigma that most people are afraid of them. It is ridiculous how people believe the media and just assume that all pit bulls are bad. Not true.
The stigma comes from the degenerates that raise the pit bulls to attack on command usually results in in a human aggression from the dog. Also the slimeballs who think it is fun to watch two pit bulls go at it and tear each other apart.
It was pointed out that the number one dog for attacking and biting is a chihuaha. But those of you who have one say how sweet he is around kids and they would never hurt a child. Bull. You never know when a dog is going to get upset and attack. I can say the same thing about my dog - a pit - and that she would never hurt a child. Well, I honestly do believe that she would never hurt a child, just because of her temperament and her behaviour around kids. But the truth is, you really never know when a dog might attack. And it isn't just pit bulls, it it all dogs.
Stop contributing to the stigma of pit bulls. It is all in how you raise them and if you raise them to be sweet, then you will get a sweet tempered dog. Obviously if you raised them to be aggressive, then what in the heck do you think is going to happen.
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I own a pit. (so does my sil, so we have two at the house) and my dog is the sweetest dog you will ever meet. He is a complete lap dog and such a baby. I raised him as though he was any other dog. No special treatment, he still has his ears and tail. And unless I or my dh was in great physical danger, I know that he would not hurt anything. And feel comfortable having him around children. (supervised of course, as with any other animal).
However, many people who have never owned or had much contact with pits feel that they are mean, cruel animals. People who have owned them will agree (for the most part) that this is completely not true. They are very loyal and very emotional. You can hurt their feelings very easily. And they are very loving. Which, in my opinion, is were the problem comes in.
It is commonly accepted that pits attack children because...well...they can and they must look yummy. I don't believe this to be true. At all. I think that when they bite children it is more so because of jealousy. Many are indoor dogs that feel threatened by this new thing that is now taking the attention away from them. This can (and does) happen with any breed, we just hear about it more with pits because of the stigma. (I also think it has something to do with the dogs strength)
My dh and I have discussed what we will do when we have a child. Honestly, we don't know yet. But, it has nothing to do with him being a pit, and everything to do with him being an animal. I know many people that have had to give up cats for the same reasons. But do you hear about those vicious cats? Nope.
However, many people who have never owned or had much contact with pits feel that they are mean, cruel animals. People who have owned them will agree (for the most part) that this is completely not true. They are very loyal and very emotional. You can hurt their feelings very easily. And they are very loving. Which, in my opinion, is were the problem comes in.
It is commonly accepted that pits attack children because...well...they can and they must look yummy. I don't believe this to be true. At all. I think that when they bite children it is more so because of jealousy. Many are indoor dogs that feel threatened by this new thing that is now taking the attention away from them. This can (and does) happen with any breed, we just hear about it more with pits because of the stigma. (I also think it has something to do with the dogs strength)
My dh and I have discussed what we will do when we have a child. Honestly, we don't know yet. But, it has nothing to do with him being a pit, and everything to do with him being an animal. I know many people that have had to give up cats for the same reasons. But do you hear about those vicious cats? Nope.
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This is so true. unfortunately pitbulls get such a bad stigma that most people are afraid of them. It is ridiculous how people believe the media and just assume that all pit bulls are bad. Not true. The stigma comes from the degenerates that raise the pit bulls to attack on command usually results in in a human aggression from the dog. Also the slimeballs who think it is fun to watch two pit bulls go at it and tear each other apart. It was pointed out that the number one dog for attacking and biting is a chihuaha. But those of you who have one say how sweet he is around kids and they would never hurt a child. Bull. You never know when a dog is going to get upset and attack. I can say the same thing about my dog - a pit - and that she would never hurt a child. Well, I honestly do believe that she would never hurt a child, just because of her temperament and her behaviour around kids. But the truth is, you really never know when a dog might attack. And it isn't just pit bulls, it it all dogs. Stop contributing to the stigma of pit bulls. It is all in how you raise them and if you raise them to be sweet, then you will get a sweet tempered dog. Obviously if you raised them to be aggressive, then what in the heck do you think is going to happen. |
The dog in your photo is beautiful, by the way. I love pits; I think they are sensitive and intelligent.
We have eight dogs. One full chow, one chow mix, one pit, one sharpei/great dane mix, etc. The most vicious dogs we have is the mutt whose lineage is impossible to identify. He was horribly abused before he came to us. I would not trust him around anyone but myself and my boyfriend. However, the chow, sharpei, and pit I would allow a child to (while supervised) play with. I would insist on the supervision b/c any dog provoked (and some kids aren't raised to be respectful) may bite.
Dogs aren't the problem; people are.
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