Many of you say my child will never do
this or i will never do that with my
child... well what about the father's
opinion? How much credit do you give to
the male parent? Should they be allowed
to help make choices in labor situations?
should they be allowed to insist on
certain rules?
How much of a role are you willing to let
them play?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 06-27-07 16:12pm
I think parenting is a partnership, so of
course one parent, whether it is male or
female, doesn't have the right to make all
of the decisions.
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-27-07 16:15pm
what about circumcision?
or spanking?
ear piercing?
abortion?
pain relief in the delivery room?
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Posted: 06-27-07 16:18pm
vanessalouanne
wrote:
what about circumcision?
or spanking?
ear piercing?
abortion?
pain relief in the delivery
room?
Abortion: The female's body, the female's
choice. The other partner, whether male or
female, (lesbians) has no say.
Pain relief: Again, the woman's body, the
woman's choice. The other parter has no
say in violating her spine with a needle
if she doesn't want it. S/he also cannot
prevent the delivering
mother from getting one if its what she
wants.
As for spanking and ear piercing, these
are discussions that the two parents
should have together and come to an
agreement on.
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-27-07 16:22pm
as far as abortion goes, the father helped
create the life that is in a females
uterus so he doesnt have any right or say?
im not arguing or disagreeing ...just
trying to get conversation started..
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Tylanas
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Posted: 06-27-07 16:25pm
vanessalouanne
wrote:
as far as abortion goes, the
father helped create the life that is in a
females uterus so he doesnt have any right
or say?
im not arguing or disagreeing ...just
trying to get conversation
started..
In my opinion, he has a right to give a
suggestion, but in the end, it is not his
body that is being used to carry the
fetus, thus it is not his right to force
the woman to make a choice she doesn't
want to make. The father's rights end
where the woman's body starts, and that
includes her uterus and anything growing
inside of it.
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-27-07 16:29pm
so if the women grows the child in her
uterus and his rights stop, when do they
begin again?
because we do carry a child and that child
develops in us, then why does he have a
right to parenting?
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Posted: 06-27-07 17:06pm
I think a man should have the same
decision making capacity regarding being a
parent that a woman does. He gets a time
limit to decide, and he has to go through
the court system to remove his "father"
status. The woman can take this into
consideration when she decides her own
parental status, if she wishes.
I do not believe anyone should be forced
to be a parent.
I wouldn't father a child with a man who
was for circumcision, or hitting. At
least, not intentionally. That's how it's
going now, anyways. Ear piercing, well,
that's up to discussion.
Good topic, vanessalouanne.
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Posted: 06-27-07 17:12pm
labour would be entirely the womans choice
i would think as she is the one in pain!
everything else- the man should have a say
too.
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Posted: 06-27-07 17:16pm
lets play the what if game..
what if the father was adamant for
something you felt strongly against...
like circumcision or spanking.
and as far as everything else, does the
pregnancy count?
should the father have the right to say no
or yes to certain prenatal tests?
should he be allowed to put his foot down
when it comes to something like drinking
alcohol or smoking while pregnant?
this goes back to the its a women's body..
how much right does the father have?
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Posted: 06-27-07 17:17pm
I think the father has the right to an
opinion when it comes to something that is
within my body. I will listen and make my
decision. Abortion? My body, my choice.
Pain meds during labor? My body my
choice. I will certainly listen to his
view, but make the decision.
Any decision in regards to the child once
he's not attached to me should be made by
both the childs parents. A mother
shouldn't go get their kid's ears pierced
without talking to the father, and vice
versa.
I think in regards to spanking a couple
should probably discuss those types of
views before they conceive. If one
believed in it and the other was dead set
against it, that is something that will
cause huge rifts within the relationship.
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Maternal Bonds Posted: 06-27-07 17:18pm
I think the maternal bonds between a
mother and her child are much stronger
than the paternal bonds between father and
child. I believe hat no matter what the
situation, the mother should know what it
is best for her and her child, and that
this instinct can do the parenting all on
it's own.
Look into some history. When a baby cries,
the mothers already know what the child
needs, while Men need a few seconds to
guess. Don't get me wrong, there are also
some cases where the roles arereversed. I
used to babysit a little boy who's mother
had absolutely no attachment to her child,
and even talked about giving him up for
adoption, while the father doted on him
day in and day out.
However, I just don't think there are too
many cases of that. Seeing as how I have
never seen much of it, just that one
case.
Therefore, the mother's the one taking
care of the tuerus, and once it's born-
the baby! I think she should have most of
the rights to what happens to her child,
although she should take the father's
opinion into deep consideration.
-maleyah "Babigurl"
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Posted: 06-27-07 17:18pm
what if you miss the chance to discuss
it..
for instance a unexpected pregnancy?
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i must say this is a brilliant topic that
has brought out alot of double standards
in me
i would tend to ultimatelty make the
decisons for my child as i carried them
and gave birth to them and i stay at home
with them 24/7.
i know that's unfair but i'm just being
honest
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Posted: 06-27-07 18:37pm
vanessalouanne
wrote:
so if the women grows the
child in her uterus and his rights stop,
when do they begin again?
because we do carry a child and that child
develops in us, then why does he have a
right to
parenting?
The fetus gets the same rights as an
independent human the moment it is born.
Then it's rights are its own, and the
parents have equal say in what happens to
it.
Why does he have a right to parent? He
doesn't. Neither does the mother.
Parenting is a privilege, and one that the
father hopefully earned by being a nice
enough person to marry. Same as the mother
hopefully earned the right to bear the
man's child by being kind enough to marry
and for him to impregnate.
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Posted: 06-28-07 10:56am
beckster06
wrote:
i must say this is a
brilliant topic that has brought out alot
of double standards in me
i would tend to ultimatelty make the
decisons for my child as i carried them
and gave birth to them and i stay at home
with them 24/7.
i know that's unfair but i'm just being
honest
I know, me too. I feel that it's my body,
so it's my decision. But then, I think
that without him, there would not be a
child. As far as the pain meds during
labor, I feel that is definitely a woman's
choice. No question.
However, when it comes to the
parenting...we both will be working full
time and probably spending about the same
amount of time with the child, so I think
it should be equal. He should have just
as much say as I do.