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Q: Sexually Frustrated
asked by: frustrated1 on June 19th, 2007
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My husband has started going through a depression, and he can't be sexually aroused by me because he's not sure if he loves me right now. Lately I've been sexually frustrated and often deal with what Wikipedia calls "pelvic congestion" or "pink ovaries" where I feel a heaviness in my ovaries because of the build up of fluids from not being able to have sex to release the fluids. Unfortunately, due to my religion, I cannot masterbate. Are there any negative side effects to not releasing those fluids besides the pain and the shaking?
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Tylanas
replied on June 19th, 2007
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Your ovaries and sexual release are not related to my knowledge. I wouldn't believe everything you read on wikipedia.

So honestly, you're not hurting yourself by not getting sexual pleasure. You're just not getting any of the benefits that come from sex and masturbation, like the release of endorphins and other stress-relieving horomones.

I have never heard of this condition existing; can someone else shed some light? Llewy, cari? I think it's bunk honestly. "Pink ovaries"? That's like "blue balls" right? Haha Rolling Eyes.

The ovaries don't release fluids to my extensive knowledge of female biology. They release horomones (which are not a liquid), and those are going to be released in controlled amounts whether you have sex/masturbate or not. The ovaries also release one egg a month (normally) with a woman who is not on birth control.

Your pain and shaking may be caused by another, more serious and real problem: ovarian cysts. Let's get some other supporters on here and see what they have to say.
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Llewellyn
replied on June 19th, 2007
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Yeah, I don't even bother reading Wikipedia. I have found far too many errors in it to trust it now.

Yeah, I don't know too much about this either. I heard a long time ago, that women who get in the mood with no release may be more prone to infections or something, but I can't remember where I even heard that and if it was a reliable source. I checked the internet and did not find anything.

My guess would be that not having a sexual release won't hurt you in any way. After all, it is not at all uncommon for women to not masturbate, or have sex, or orgasm, or even all three.

I also have no idea what fluid wikipedia was talking about. When women orgasm, we usually don't release any fluids other than some lubrication, and that comes from the walls of the vagina, not the ovaries. (I am actually talking to a doctor friend of mine on YIM as I type this, so this is coming from me and a doctor Laughing ).

I would suggest asking your ob-gyn more about it the next time you go in just to be on the safe side, but I don't think you're doing yourself any harm by not having a release.
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flipper
replied on June 20th, 2007
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Re: Sexually Frustrated
frustrated1 wrote:
My husband has started going through a depression, and he can't be sexually aroused by me because he's not sure if he loves me right now. Lately I've been sexually frustrated and often deal with what Wikipedia calls "pelvic congestion" or "pink ovaries" where I feel a heaviness in my ovaries because of the build up of fluids from not being able to have sex to release the fluids. Unfortunately, due to my religion, I cannot masterbate. Are there any negative side effects to not releasing those fluids besides the pain and the shaking?
If you're feeling pain in your ovaries, it could either be coming from some type of problem (cysts or something like that), or ovulation, as mine (usually one or the other) tend to hurt during that time. I also become very easily aroused and frustrated if I can't have sex when I'm ovulating as well. Yeah the others are right though, your ovaries do not expell fluids during sex, and your physical health will not suffer from not having sex. I'm sorry that you're having such a hard time with your husband though. Sad
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Birch
replied on June 20th, 2007
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Hey, I'm sorry about your troubles with your husband.

If I were you, I'd find a different religion, at least temporarily. Wink
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Birch
replied on June 20th, 2007
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Here is an interesting write up on female ejaculate, which is not lube from the vag, it's something else.

http://www.the-clitoris.com/f_html/ejacula .htm

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Female ejaculate is a fluid that is expelled from the body through the urethra during sexual activities. When released in small quantities it may be a mucous like fluid having a clear, milky, or yellowish coloration. As the volume of the expelled fluid increases it becomes like clear water. In small quantities it may have a distinct scent that is musky or pungent but when the fluid increases in volume and becomes clear there is no longer a detectable scent. The fluid contains PSA and PAP, which are produced in the female prostate. Some of the components found in it, urea and creatinine, are also found in urine, but in much lower concentrations than are found in regular urine. When female prostatic fluids are found in urine they are in much smaller concentrations than in present in female ejaculate. The fluid released during ejaculation and urination are not the same though they may share some of the same substances. As the volume and appearance of female ejaculate changes it is likely that its composition changes too.
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Llewellyn
replied on June 20th, 2007
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Birch wrote:
Here is an interesting write up on female ejaculate, which is not lube from the vag, it's something else.

http://www.the-clitoris.com/f_html/ejacula .htm

article wrote:
Female ejaculate is a fluid that is expelled from the body through the urethra during sexual activities. When released in small quantities it may be a mucous like fluid having a clear, milky, or yellowish coloration. As the volume of the expelled fluid increases it becomes like clear water. In small quantities it may have a distinct scent that is musky or pungent but when the fluid increases in volume and becomes clear there is no longer a detectable scent. The fluid contains PSA and PAP, which are produced in the female prostate. Some of the components found in it, urea and creatinine, are also found in urine, but in much lower concentrations than are found in regular urine. When female prostatic fluids are found in urine they are in much smaller concentrations than in present in female ejaculate. The fluid released during ejaculation and urination are not the same though they may share some of the same substances. As the volume and appearance of female ejaculate changes it is likely that its composition changes too.


Right, female ejaculate is not the same as lubrication. However, there are very few women who seem to ejaculate, and of those who do seem to ejaculate, the fluid does not come from the ovaries.

(I say "seem to" because researchers are still debating female ejaculation.)
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Birch
replied on June 20th, 2007
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Llewellyn wrote:
Birch wrote:
Here is an interesting write up on female ejaculate, which is not lube from the vag, it's something else.

http://www.the-clitoris.com/f_html/ejacula .htm

article wrote:
Female ejaculate is a fluid that is expelled from the body through the urethra during sexual activities. When released in small quantities it may be a mucous like fluid having a clear, milky, or yellowish coloration. As the volume of the expelled fluid increases it becomes like clear water. In small quantities it may have a distinct scent that is musky or pungent but when the fluid increases in volume and becomes clear there is no longer a detectable scent. The fluid contains PSA and PAP, which are produced in the female prostate. Some of the components found in it, urea and creatinine, are also found in urine, but in much lower concentrations than are found in regular urine. When female prostatic fluids are found in urine they are in much smaller concentrations than in present in female ejaculate. The fluid released during ejaculation and urination are not the same though they may share some of the same substances. As the volume and appearance of female ejaculate changes it is likely that its composition changes too.


Right, female ejaculate is not the same as lubrication. However, there are very few women who seem to ejaculate, and of those who do seem to ejaculate, the fluid does not come from the ovaries.

(I say "seem to" because researchers are still debating female ejaculation.)


Please cite your sources.
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Llewellyn
replied on June 20th, 2007
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Birch wrote:

Please cite your sources.


My sources on what exactly? That it is still being debated, that it does not come from the ovaries, or that few women do it?

Here is one research article on it:
"A major area of continued controversy and debate among sex researchers, gynecologists and sex therapists has been and continues to be the question of the phenomenon known as “female ejaculation.” ....The primary conclusion from the experiment was that almost all the fluid expelled from these seven women unquestionably came from their bladders."
http://www.ejhs.org/volume4/Schubach/abstr act.html
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Llewellyn
replied on June 20th, 2007
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"Not surprisingly, the more stringent the definition, the fewer the number of women who can be found to have experienced it. In one study, women were stimulated where the supposed G-spot is (on the vaginal wall closest to the stomach) and asked, immediately afterwards, if they experienced a spurt of fluid at orgasm. Only 6% said they did at the time. A total of 13% said they ever had. However, the existence of the G-spot itself is controversial, which consequently makes this view questionable, too..... There is also controversy regarding the anatomical structures and the type of fluid that is expelled."
http://www.estronaut.com/a/female_ejaculat ions.htm
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Birch
replied on June 20th, 2007
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Thanks, I like reading research studies. I was specifically looking for something about "few women do it".

The first article is very interesting, though. The second one won't allow me to look at their reference page?

Ah, the mysterious vagina.
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Llewellyn
replied on June 20th, 2007
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Birch wrote:
Thanks, I like reading research studies. I was specifically looking for something about "few women do it".

The first article is very interesting, though.

Ah, the mysterious vagina.


Yeah, I like research articles too, so I do like that first one.

Here is an interesting article about a nonbeliever*:

"Hines doesn't come right out and say they're all deluded--I mean, define "highly sensitive area." But he does suggest there's little evidence for the G-spot as usually understood.....In summary, then, we've got two studies, 12 subjects, five detectable G-spots. This constitutes the sum total of experimental investigation into the matter. No anatomical study has ever demonstrated that the G-spot exists. Dr. Ernst Grafenberg, whose 1950 paper introduced the subject, provided no evidence for the G-spot, just anecdotes. The mere fact that some women under some circumstances can feel something in the anterior vaginal wall proves little....."Until a thorough and careful [microscopic] investigation of the relevant tissue is undertaken," Hines concludes, "the G-spot will remain a sort of gynecologic UFO: much searched for, much discussed, but unverified by objective means." "
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/011130 .html

I have read some Hines' stuff before. He actually seems to be a pretty good critic of research.

*Edit: "Nonbeliever" might be a strong word. I don't think Hines comes out says, "G-spots don't exist, I cant prove it!" His claim just seems to be that the research supporting G-spots is minimal at best, which is certainly true. That does not mean they are or are not there, but it means we do need more research, and we have to be wary of all of those people who say, "All women have G-spots, can have vaginal orgasms, and can ejaculate! I know for sure somehow even though I don't cite any real research! Buy my book for $29.99, and I will show you how it's done!"
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Tylanas
replied on June 20th, 2007
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I think a point everyone can agree to, however, is that the mysterious female ejaculate does not come from the ovaries. It theoretically comes from the prostate glands around the urethra, which supposedly swell with fluid during stimulation, and theoretically release this hypothetical liquid into the urethra, which is then released during the mysterious g-spot orgasm. Did I cover my bases? lol.
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flipper
replied on June 20th, 2007
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Llewellyn wrote:
I know for sure somehow even though I don't cite any real research!
I think it goes without saying that women who do have vaginal and g-spot orgasms don't need research to prove it exists. I know that you don't believe in them, but I also know that you're a very young women. I think early 20s is far too early to just throw in the towel and assume that sex is as good as it's ever going to get, because that so isn't the case. I know that I came to this forum to learn how to be better, to share what I know and get valuable information from people who have more experience than me. Even suggesting that I'm just delusional for being able to have vaginal orgasms is not only ridiculous, but it's making me feel like I shouldn't bother coming here. Like there's nothing for me to learn. I'd heard about few women not being capable of achieving orgasm before, but I never put much thought into it. I imagine if it had been so drilled into my head that it just wasn't possible and to quit trying that I actually might have stopped trying to learn.
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Llewellyn
replied on June 20th, 2007
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flipper wrote:
I think it goes without saying that women who do have vaginal and g-spot orgasms don't need research to prove it exists. I know that you don't believe in them, but I also know that you're a very young women. I think early 20s is far too early to just throw in the towel and assume that sex is as good as it's ever going to get, because that so isn't the case. I know that I came to this forum to learn how to be better, to share what I know and get valuable information from people who have more experience than me. Even suggesting that I'm just delusional for being able to have vaginal orgasms is not only ridiculous, but it's making me feel like I shouldn't bother coming here. Like there's nothing for me to learn. I'd heard about few women not being capable of achieving orgasm before, but I never put much thought into it. I imagine if it had been so drilled into my head that it just wasn't possible and to quit trying that I actually might have stopped trying to learn.


Whoa, what? How did I suggest you are delusional? I never said that they don't exist. Maybe you need to reread my post because I don't think you got it at all. Maybe I explained it really awful. Laughing I always try to explain to people here that neither side is proven right now; there is still a lot of debate about it. So I urge people not to make claims about either extreme.

I am just saying that there are people out there who make a lot of claims when they try to sell you something. I am just warning people about the scammers. There is no evidence that they don't exist, but there is also no evidence that every woman in the world is capable of having a vaginal orgasm. So I like to warn people that anyone who claims otherwise probably has no research to back that up and probably is trying to sell something.

Maybe all women are capable of having them, I don't know. Because the truth is, we just don't have any enough evidence yet to make a claim about either extreme. Hopefully, people will do a lot more research on it.
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replied on June 20th, 2007
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Umm...to chime in, I've had this so-called female ejaculation thing happen to me three times and wondering how it happened. I didn't have an orgasm two of the times and the time that I did, it wasn't very noticeable. I thought I had peed all over my partner, then proceeded to be embarrassed but it didn't smell or have the same consistency as urine. Anyway, I've dated a guy for four years previously and this never happened. Now I'm dating him again and it hasn't happened in the four months that we've been back together. Is is because my other partner's penis circumference was bigger? My current partner's penis is bigger, but not bigger around. I think that may have had something to do with it.
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Llewellyn
replied on June 20th, 2007
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Honekaur wrote:
Umm...to chime in, I've had this so-called female ejaculation thing happen to me three times and wondering how it happened. I didn't have an orgasm two of the times and the time that I did, it wasn't very noticeable. I thought I had peed all over my partner, then proceeded to be embarrassed but it didn't smell or have the same consistency as urine. Anyway, I've dated a guy for four years previously and this never happened. Now I'm dating him again and it hasn't happened in the four months that we've been back together. Is is because my other partner's penis circumference was bigger? My current partner's penis is bigger, but not bigger around. I think that may have had something to do with it.


Good question. I guess it could be the size or shape of your other partner's penis that made a difference for you.
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flipper
replied on June 20th, 2007
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Llewellyn wrote:
Whoa, what? How did I suggest you are delusional? I never said that they don't exist. Maybe you need to reread my post because I don't think you got it at all. Maybe I explained it really awful. Laughing I always try to explain to people here that neither side is proven right now; there is still a lot of debate about it. So I urge people not to make claims about either extreme.


Sorry for getting too confrontational there. I guess I was responding less to that particular post of yours, and more to a feeling of negativity that you're projecting in all of your posts about vaginal orgasms in general, and not necessarily just about the g-spot or female ehaculation. I know that you probably don't mean for it to come off that way, but that's just the way it's working out.

eiri wrote:
I think a point everyone can agree to, however, is that the mysterious female ejaculate does not come from the ovaries. It theoretically comes from the prostate glands around the urethra, which supposedly swell with fluid during stimulation, and theoretically release this hypothetical liquid into the urethra, which is then released during the mysterious g-spot orgasm. Did I cover my bases? lol.

Brilliantly. Very Happy
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Llewellyn
replied on June 20th, 2007
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flipper wrote:

Sorry for getting too confrontational there. I guess I was responding less to that particular post of yours, and more to a feeling of negativity that you're projecting in all of your posts about vaginal orgasms in general, and not necessarily just about the g-spot or female ehaculation. I know that you probably don't mean for it to come off that way, but that's just the way it's working out.



I don't mean to sound negative about it at all. I have never had a vaginal orgasm, but I don't doubt that some women have. After all, different things work for different people.

I think a lot of people mistakingly assume (not saying you are one of those people, just saying in general) that all women can have them. Then when I explain the research to them, they think I am knocking vaginal orgasms and G-spots entirely, and that isn't what I am doing. Like I said, the research does not say they don't exist. It just says that so far it is not proven that all, or even most, women can have them. However, that does not mean they can't. It could just mean that they don't know how. Tough to say. That's why we need more research.

Maybe I am a little too passionate about research, Laughing but I just can't help but correct people when they make claims that we don't have the research to back up.
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replied on August 5th, 2007
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Frustrated1,
First of all women do ejaculate and it does not comes from the urethra, Secondly women do not have prostates glands only men do! that is important fact to remember!
Don't worry about not having an orgasm right now just get used to your own body and what feels good to you. Play with yourself so you know where it fells good and that way you can tell your partner what to do. You be the boss when having sex, that way you will get just as much pleasure out of it as he does.
The most important thing to do this help your husband with his mental state of mind, do what ever it takes. Cuddle up to him at night and reassure him that you will always be there, buy some nice smelling lube and gently rub his body and groin. Tell him that he does not have to pleasure you that it's his night to be pleasured. Stroke him and what else you are comfortable with, I don't know you personal so i just suggest things.
I had a near death inexperience and intimacy is complected when you are unsure of anything anymore, but I was helped through it and i do feel better, there is always more to do with depression in turns of helping people. So just be supportive and I hope all works out Very Happy
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