Condoms do not prevent transmission of HPV
because there is still skin-to-skin
contact.
The ads for the vaccine annoy me too,
because it is not a cervical cancer
vaccine, it is a hpv vaccine.
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Ingi
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Posted: 06-14-07 13:28pm
You will not continue to 'pass it back and
forth' between partners. If you have a
particular strain of hpv, your partner has
it too.
They want to give shots to girls who are
not sexually active, that is when it will
have the best chance of working to prevent
cervical cancer.
We live in a society today that we don't
have the same worries about death from
cervical cancer but it happens every day.
This is death prevention. I agree, if you
don't want the shot, you shouldn't be
forced to get it. However, if someone
elected not to get the shot and ended up
with cervical cancer that could have
prevented it, that would be ironic,
wouldn't it?
cervical cancer is the major cause of
cancer deaths in women in many developing
countries
About 3,670 women will die from
cervical cancer in the United States
during 2007. Cervical cancer was once one
of the most common causes of cancer death
for American women. Between 1955 and 1992,
the number of cervical cancer deaths in
the United States dropped by 74%. The main
reason for this change is the increased
use of the Pap test.
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kaerbear
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Posted: 06-14-07 13:31pm
my understanding of viruses, which is
admittedly very limited, is that your body
creates antibodies to it which deactivate
or kill it off. that's why the antibodies
will be present if you have had the virus
before and you don't have to wait for your
body to produce them a second time. some
viruses will mutate constantly or
otherwise trick the body's immune system
so that it can't produce antibodies fast
enough or it can't produce the right ones
to effectively deal with the virus. some
viruses stay the same so they can be dealt
with by vaccination.
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rasuyoung
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Posted: 06-14-07 13:39pm
Ingi
wrote:
Wow! I can't believe, even
with the most recent media campaigns about
cervical cancer and hpv, that people still
aren't aware.
Anyone who has had sex can have hpv.
Anyone! And, don't be fooled, a pap smear
does not detect hpv. O.N.L.Y an hpv
test detects
hpv.
Edited because an above poster was
correct, there is no HPV test!
A pap can detect abnormal cells that might
be a type of HPV that can lead to cervical
cancer. Women who have HPV are more likely
to have an abnormal pap.
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Ingi
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Posted: 06-14-07 13:41pm
rasuyoung
wrote:
I know there is a HPV test, but a pap can
detect abnormal cells that might be a type
of HPV that can lead to cervical cancer.
Women who have HPV are more likely to have
an abnormal pap, so a pap smear can be a
lead-in to getting an hpv
test.
Yes, it can. But you can still have hpv
and have normal pap smears.
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rasuyoung
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Posted: 06-14-07 13:45pm
Thank you for clarifying that, .Ingi.
From Yahoo! health:
Even if you are treated to remove
visible warts or your warts go away
without treatment, the HPV infection is
not cured; it remains in your body's
cells.
Even with treatment for genital warts, you
still may be able to spread the infection.
Condoms may help reduce the risk of
spreading the infection, but they do not
fully protect against genital contact.
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Posted: 06-14-07 13:53pm
Ingi Wrote:
About 3,670 women will die from
cervical cancer in the United States
during 2007. Cervical cancer was once one
of the most common causes of cancer death
for American women. Between 1955 and 1992,
the number of cervical cancer deaths in
the United States dropped by 74%. The main
reason for this change is the increased
use of the Pap test.[/quote]
There were 295,734,134 People in the US in
2005
So 1.34 per cent of women will die from
this disease.
I am not making light of the condition,
and I agree that having a vaccine to
prevent cause of death from preventable
conditions. However, I feel that Merk's
advertising department has done a
phenomenal job of making a mountain out of
a mole hill to help boost sales of the
vaccine. I might add that this comes on
the heels of the recall of their drug,
Vioxx, which their company is curently
being sued for for having caused possibly
27,000 heart attacks in patients. So when
Merck or any other drug company comes out
with an advertisement for a new drug,
remember that their primary goal is to
sell you a drug. Furthermore, until more
studies are done about the safety of this
new vaccine, I am not going to give it to
my children. This is the bone of
contention I have-not with the data on HPV
and its resultant complications, but with
the fact that in this country, drugs
=money.
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Ingi
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Posted: 06-14-07 14:20pm
sillyakchick
wrote:
There were 295,734,134 People in the US in
2005
So 1.34 per cent of women will die from
this disease.
I am not making light of the condition,
and I agree that having a vaccine to
prevent cause of death from preventable
conditions. However, I feel that Merk's
advertising department has done a
phenomenal job of making a mountain out of
a mole hill to help boost sales of the
vaccine. I might add that this comes on
the heels of the recall of their drug,
Vioxx, which their company is curently
being sued for for having caused possibly
27,000 heart attacks in patients. So when
Merck or any other drug company comes out
with an advertisement for a new drug,
remember that their primary goal is to
sell you a drug. Furthermore, until more
studies are done about the safety of this
new vaccine, I am not going to give it to
my children. This is the bone of
contention I have-not with the data on HPV
and its resultant complications, but with
the fact that in this country, drugs
=money.
That is why, as consumers, we need to do
our own research and not allow someone to
tell us their version of what they want us
to hear.
I, having had cervical cancer, wouldn't
make the same choice you would make. I
have a friend who died from cervical
cancer, leaving 4 children motherless and
her husband is raising them on his own. I
don't want to make anyone's choice for
them. I just want people to be aware of
what their choices are.
Just because approximately 3,600 women
will die from cervical cancer, that
doesn't tell of the many women who will be
subjected to major surgeries and
hysterectomies, etc. That number is much,
much higher than 3,600.
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I am sorry, I did not want to come off
sounding insensitive. I will repeat that
I think a vaccine for this is a great
thing. If cervical cancer is preventable,
then that is a great step toward saving
lives. I will refrain from any further
discussion about the rest of my opinions
for fear that tehy will be misconstrued.
Respectfully
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I want to bring up something that got
mentioned...
1. "Making the vaccine a requirement is a
violation of our rights."
2. and also, in relation, a comment that
"men are the carriers".
The first part: Aren't americans required
to get vaccines for other diseases? I'm
pretty sure they are, or you aren't
allowed to even go to school. so why is it
a violation of your rights to add one more
vaccine to that list? Just because it has
to do with sex? Most americans are going
to have sex, just like most americans
attend school. I think it's just plain
smart.
Second: Aren't women carriers too?
Couldn't a lesbian transmit it to her
partner? The way you phrased it seems to
lay all the blame on the males, and I
don't think that's right. Gay men could
also transmit it to their partners, though
of course they don't have the debilitating
conditions women get.
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Gardasil is not a required vaccine,
either.
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Ingi
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Posted: 06-14-07 17:41pm
Eiri
wrote:
2. and also, in relation, a comment that
"men are the carriers".
Second: Aren't women carriers too?
Couldn't a lesbian transmit it to her
partner? The way you phrased it seems to
lay all the blame on the males, and I
don't think that's right. Gay men could
also transmit it to their partners, though
of course they don't have the debilitating
conditions women
get.
Right. If it was my statement that men are
carriers ~ they are 'silent' carriers
since they wouldn't know if they had the
disease, as there is no test for them.
However, it was not uncommon for a man to
have more than one wife die from cervical
cancer (in the old days) and he would have
never known he was the connection between
the two women.
But I'm sure a woman could transmit it to
a woman. Or a man to a man, for that
matter.
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Posted: 06-14-07 18:07pm
Eiri
wrote:
The first part: Aren't
americans required to get vaccines for
other diseases? I'm pretty sure they are,
or you aren't allowed to even go to
school. so why is it a violation of your
rights to add one more vaccine to that
list? Just because it has to do with sex?
Most americans are going to have sex, just
like most americans attend school. I think
it's just plain smart.
Actually, It depends on what state you
live in. Many states offer waviers for
parents to sign if they do not wish to
vaccinate their children.
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rasuyoung
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Gardasil is not a required
vaccine,
either.
I know it's not, and that's the point.
someone was saying that if it was, it
would be a violation of our rights. I
wondered how this could be?
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mc4ever02
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
The first part: Aren't
americans required to get vaccines for
other diseases? I'm pretty sure they are,
or you aren't allowed to even go to
school. so why is it a violation of your
rights to add one more vaccine to that
list? Just because it has to do with sex?
Most americans are going to have sex, just
like most americans attend school. I think
it's just plain smart.
Actually, It depends on what state you
live in. Many states offer waviers for
parents to sign if they do not wish to
vaccinate their
children.
Hm. Well, I grew up as a military child,
so I had to be vaccinated for everything
almost every year. Every time you change
schools, you have to be reexamined.
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Posted: 06-14-07 20:33pm
Eiri
wrote:
rasuyoung
wrote:
Gardasil is not a required
vaccine,
either.
I know it's not, and that's the point.
someone was saying that if it was, it
would be a violation of our rights. I
wondered how this could
be?
I mentioned this only because there has
been talk about requiring young girls to
get the shot, just like other required
vaccines. I wasn't trying to say that it
is a requirement, I was kinda being
fecicious (sp?). Sorry for my
misconstruding humor!! lol.
Also, like christy said, it isn't always
required that your child get vaccinated.
I think they just like to say that it is a
requirement to scare you into getting them
when they aren't really required at all.
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wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
rasuyoung
wrote:
Gardasil is not a required
vaccine,
either.
I know it's not, and that's the point.
someone was saying that if it was, it
would be a violation of our rights. I
wondered how this could
be?
I mentioned this only because there has
been talk about requiring young girls to
get the shot, just like other required
vaccines. I wasn't trying to say that it
is a requirement, I was kinda being
fecicious (sp?). Sorry for my
misconstruding humor!! lol.
Also, like christy said, it isn't always
required that your child get vaccinated.
I think they just like to say that it is a
requirement to scare you into getting them
when they aren't really required at
all.
Yeah, I totally interpreted it as
"requiring the hpv vaccine would be a
violation of our rights" even though other
vaccines are semi-required... and I got
confused, as there are no side effects
I've heard of, and great protection to
gain.
according to all that i have read on it
men are the carriers of it so if you have
sex with a carrier and get it you can pass
it on to a female partner if you are bi. I
will be getting both my daughters vac
against it shoot if they have a vac that
prevents all cancers id get that for them
as well i only wish they also made one for
breast cancer as well since my fam has a
high risk for it ...runs in family on my
moms side.
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iridescent_opal
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.actually the hpv virus is
unique in the fact that your body can get
rid of it completely. .many doctors do
not know why this is but it can and has
happened in many
people
I don't understand how your body can get
rid of a virus. They are not able to cure
any other viruses, they just treat them
until the symptoms go away. Just like if
you have the flu for a week, then the next
week you have absolutely no symptoms. You
are not cured, you have recovered from the
symptoms and the virus then lays dormant
in your body.
what happens when they say the body rids
of it is that the the virus incorporates
into the dna of the cells in a way it
doesn't harm them anymore as they continue
reproducing. So it's not disappeared but
it doesn't harm neither.
I'm not taking the vaccine because i
already have the virus and i'm getting
married so i don't plan having sex with
anyone else. Should I have known of this
vaccine I would have gotten without shadow
of doubt. Even if it protects me from one
strain, that is better than no protection.
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Posted: 06-15-07 00:22am
Nightangel, if you're under the age of 26
you can still get the vaccine and it can
be beneficial, because you probably don't
have all 4 types of Hpv that the vaccine
helps protect against.
