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wgc
on May 25th, 2007
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Re: Thing That Happened This Week...
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[Christianity is a cult.]

Oh, hey guys, on campus of the university I go to this week there was a group of young adults (who were not students) preaching the most conservative of christianity to anyone who would listen.

Wearing their suspenders and long skirts, they shouted out about the evils of the vile homosexuals, how women's place is in the home, how we sinners are all going to hell, how one husband felt that it was his duty to "correct" his wife "by force" if she disobeyed him; et cetera, et cetera.

Quite a crowd gathered, and they were heckling them mercilessly. Campus security was present.

Some people don't want them on campus. I say let 'em have their time. They show their true colors.
Also, I was wondering if they could be charged with public nuisance behavior, or maybe hate crimes. I mean, they were really delving deep into hatred for homosexuals. How is this not a hate crime?


You will get your wish before much longer.
Lk 21:9 When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away.”
Lk 21:10 Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
Lk 21:11 There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.
Lk 21:12 “But before all this, they will lay hands on you and persecute you. They will deliver you to synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name.
Lk 21:13 This will result in your being witnesses to them.
Lk 21:14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves.
Lk 21:15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.
Lk 21:16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death.
Lk 21:17 All men will hate you because of me.
Lk 21:18 But not a hair of your head will perish.
Lk 21:19 By standing firm you will gain life.
Lk 21:20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.

Lk 21:22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.
Lk 21:23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people.
Lk 21:24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Lk 21:25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.
Lk 21:26 Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
Lk 21:27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Lk 21:28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
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AyaMiyaki
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Please stop quoting the bible to people who are truly offended by it. This is not a religious debate, and therefore you should not be forcing your views on others. Continuing to post these things after you've been asked to stop and told that it is offending them is nothing short of rude.

You need to understand that, while you have every right under our country's constitution to believe in the .Bible, others have every right to not believe it and to not have it shoved in their faces. I understand that your beliefs tell you to minister to others, but in this case you are being offensive and, if anything, are turning them further away from the word of .God.

You should spend more time learning how to be persuasive without being annoying and offensive - that is a better way to help people find .Christianity if that is your goal. And you need to understand that you should not harrass people by pushing your beliefs onto them - especially when they have asked you not to. It does not help your cause, and it does not help the person you're trying to convert.
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replied on May 26th, 2007
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AyaMiyaki wrote:
Please stop quoting the bible to people who are truly offended by it. This is not a religious debate, and therefore you should not be forcing your views on others. Continuing to post these things after you've been asked to stop and told that it is offending them is nothing short of rude.

You need to understand that, while you have every right under our country's constitution to believe in the .Bible, others have every right to not believe it and to not have it shoved in their faces. I understand that your beliefs tell you to minister to others, but in this case you are being offensive and, if anything, are turning them further away from the word of .God.

You should spend more time learning how to be persuasive without being annoying and offensive - that is a better way to help people find .Christianity if that is your goal. And you need to understand that you should not harrass people by pushing your beliefs onto them - especially when they have asked you not to. It does not help your cause, and it does not help the person you're trying to convert.


I know you find Gods word offensive.
If I belived in killing of children,
I would probably be offended also.

Mt 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
Mt 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
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AyaMiyaki
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Excuse me.

I don't find .God's word offensive. But others do, and they deserve to not have someone else's faith shoved in their face. The fact that you don't seem to care indicates quite a bit about your character.

And no one here believes in killing children.
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Excuse me.

I don't find .God's word offensive. But others do, and they deserve to not have someone else's faith shoved in their face. The fact that you don't seem to care indicates quite a bit about your character.

And no one here believes in killing children.


Character? Believing it's okay for the wholesale slaughter of 4000 babies a day in just this country alone.

People do get offended when having to deal with there own conscious.

Mt 18:5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me
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Knowing you're offending people by pushing your religious beliefs on them and continuing to do so, very much defines your character.

If you will not respect a person enough to comply by their boundaries, they will not appreciate the word you bring them. You will not help people by pounding bible verses into their ears - not if they're not willing or ready to hear them. All you will do is give them a negative view of .Christians and the bible - they will see it as a tool for harrassment and will not pause to look further into the words.

Some .Christians understand this and take a more gentle approach. Explaining your beliefs while respecting theirs, and leading your life the way you feel is right. If they see something about your life or personality that they like, they might come to you and ask a few questions about your beliefs - comfortable in the fact that you won't preach at them. You explain yourself calmly and rationally without being offensive to their beliefs, and perhaps they'll want to learn further.

You can't force them onto that path. They must choose it for themselves. You can attempt to persuade them, but the approach you're taking is not going to yield the results you desire.

You can't expect people to respect and appreciate the word of .God if you won't first give them respect. You are not respecting the women who have clearly stated they don't appreciate your behavior in this forum.

And trust me when I say, it's not guilt that makes them turn away from you. It's annoyance that you're not respecting them enough to comply with their wishes. You're overstepping your boundaries, and it's pissing them off. They're not reading your bible quotes. They're seeing the first couple of words, recognizing it as a bible verse, rolling their eyes and looking away. That's not from guilt. It's from sheer annoyance.
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AyaMiyaki wrote:
Knowing you're offending people by pushing your religious beliefs on them and continuing to do so, very much defines your character.

If you will not respect a person enough to comply by their boundaries, they will not appreciate the word you bring them. You will not help people by pounding bible verses into their ears - not if they're not willing or ready to hear them. All you will do is give them a negative view of .Christians and the bible - they will see it as a tool for harrassment and will not pause to look further into the words.

Some .Christians understand this and take a more gentle approach. Explaining your beliefs while respecting theirs, and leading your life the way you feel is right. If they see something about your life or personality that they like, they might come to you and ask a few questions about your beliefs - comfortable in the fact that you won't preach at them. You explain yourself calmly and rationally without being offensive to their beliefs, and perhaps they'll want to learn further.

You can't force them onto that path. They must choose it for themselves. You can attempt to persuade them, but the approach you're taking is not going to yield the results you desire.

You can't expect people to respect and appreciate the word of .God if you won't first give them respect. You are not respecting the women who have clearly stated they don't appreciate your behavior in this forum.

And trust me when I say, it's not guilt that makes them turn away from you. It's annoyance that you're not respecting them enough to comply with their wishes. You're overstepping your boundaries, and it's pissing them off. They're not reading your bible quotes. They're seeing the first couple of words, recognizing it as a bible verse, rolling their eyes and looking away. That's not from guilt. It's from sheer annoyance.



Luke 9:26 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

Mt 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
Mt 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Mt 7:17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
Mt 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Mt 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mt 7:20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Mt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mt 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
Mt 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’



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AyaMiyaki
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So your reply to my long explanation of why people aren't listening to your bible verses... is yet more bible verses.

I'm not wasting any more energy on you. Good day.
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AyaMiyaki wrote:
So your reply to my long explanation of why people aren't listening to your bible verses... is yet more bible verses.

I'm not wasting any more energy on you. Good day.



Lk 9:23 Then he said to them all: “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.

Repent & the study his word. Enter through the narrow gate. His word is his will.
Christ's Blessings to you & your Family
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wgc wrote:
AyaMiyaki wrote:
So your reply to my long explanation of why people aren't listening to your bible verses... is yet more bible verses.

I'm not wasting any more energy on you. Good day.



Lk 9:23 Then he said to them all: “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.

Annoying and offensive, Character?

About 13,000 women have abortions each year following rape or incest. Or only 1.5% Of the 1.4 million a year.

Each year, an estimated 46 million abortions occur worldwide.

1973 through 2000, more than 39 million legal abortions occurred in the USA alone.
This is 2007 so add about 9 million more. or 46 million slaughtered babies.
The number worldwide may be as high 1 Billion slaughtered Babies since 1973.

I'll bet you don't like the Bible or it's verses.
Repent & the study his word. Enter through the narrow gate. His word is his will.
Christ's Blessings to you & your Family
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Wgc
While spreading Gods word is obviously your right(remember guys...right to free speech....and defending it to the death) and even more so....you feel it something you "must" do.....you have to stop and think....is here and now really the place? I too am Christian....but no one is helped if they feel God is shoved down their throats...especially if they don't understand or agree with the concept of God. The best way to teach about Christianity is through actions.....not words. And as far as the abortion debate and religion go....Abortion is not about religion...it is about humanity. After all....if you are able to stop one abortion you are not saving a religion....you are saving a human life. jmho.
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While spreading Gods word is obviously your right(remember guys...right to free speech....and defending it to the death) and even more so....you feel it something you "must" do.....you have to stop and think....is here and now really the place? I too am Christian....but no one is helped if they feel God is shoved down their throats...especially if they don't understand or agree with the concept of God. The best way to teach about Christianity is through actions.....not words. And as far as the abortion debate and religion go....Abortion is not about religion...it is about humanity. After all....if you are able to stop one abortion you are not saving a religion....you are saving a human life. jmho.


What does the scriptures say?
Ro 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

Mk 8:38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”

Lk 9:26 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

Ro 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

2Ti 1:8 So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God,

1Pe 3:16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.

1Pe 4:16 However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.

As a Christian there is no need to ashamed of our faith.

Mt 10:37 “Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;
Mt 10:38 and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

All have the freedom to choose to believe or not.

Ac 5:42 Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ.

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i just need to get this straight. This person is wgc is only quoting bible verses. How this is shoving down throaths? wgc is not forcing anyone to believe in what the verses say, only pointing them out.
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nightangel73 wrote:
i just need to get this straight. This person is wgc is only quoting bible verses. How this is shoving down throaths? wgc is not forcing anyone to believe in what the verses say, only pointing them out.


Granted....but some on here appear to be rather upset with wgc's right to free speech. I am not....but when abortion is the issue....I think that there needs to be a distinction in the fact that pro-life is not merely a religious issue. There are many agnostics...atheists, etc who are pro-life....and religion never enters into their reasoning. I think rather than looking at pro-life issues as religious issues....they need to be looked at as human issues.

As far as I am concerned though....wgc can speak of God and religion all he/she wants to....but in a debate about abortion.....using religion as a defense for ones beliefs often falls on deaf ears.
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nightangel73 wrote:
i just need to get this straight. This person is wgc is only quoting bible verses. How this is shoving down throaths? wgc is not forcing anyone to believe in what the verses say, only pointing them out.


I agree with you.

If you are offended, don't read it. wgc is not forcing anyone to read or respond to their posts.

You just have to have a gentle stance, speaking in low, soothing tones something like; "yes, wgc, we hear and understand what you are saying, hmm, ah..." while preparing a shot of thorazine. Wink


wgc wrote:
...I am sure you hate Christians.
Jn 15:18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.



I do not hate christians. What a terrible assumption to make about someone. I frown at you. I do not share your love of scripture, and I do not share your christian beliefs. But I don't hate you, or others like you.

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians." ~Ghandi
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trina1 wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
i just need to get this straight. This person is wgc is only quoting bible verses. How this is shoving down throaths? wgc is not forcing anyone to believe in what the verses say, only pointing them out.


Granted....but some on here appear to be rather upset with wgc's right to free speech. I am not....but when abortion is the issue....I think that there needs to be a distinction in the fact that pro-life is not merely a religious issue. There are many agnostics...atheists, etc who are pro-life....and religion never enters into their reasoning. I think rather than looking at pro-life issues as religious issues....they need to be looked at as human issues.

As far as I am concerned though....wgc can speak of God and religion all he/she wants to....but in a debate about abortion.....using religion as a defense for ones beliefs often falls on deaf ears.


They didn't like John the baptist either.

As for Gandi, he is not he light either.
Jn 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am d the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Mt 10:22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Ro 12:9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good

Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.

For cowardly who afgraid to stand up for Gods word.

1Co 11:28 A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup.
1Co 11:29 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.
1Co 11:30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars —their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Rev 3:15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
Rev 3:16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.

Lev 5:1 “ ‘If a person sins because he does not speak up when he hears a public charge to testify regarding something he has seen or learned about, he will be held responsible.

Mk 8:33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”
Mk 8:34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me
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wgc wrote:
trina1 wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
i just need to get this straight. This person is wgc is only quoting bible verses. How this is shoving down throaths? wgc is not forcing anyone to believe in what the verses say, only pointing them out.


Granted....but some on here appear to be rather upset with wgc's right to free speech. I am not....but when abortion is the issue....I think that there needs to be a distinction in the fact that pro-life is not merely a religious issue. There are many agnostics...atheists, etc who are pro-life....and religion never enters into their reasoning. I think rather than looking at pro-life issues as religious issues....they need to be looked at as human issues.

As far as I am concerned though....wgc can speak of God and religion all he/she wants to....but in a debate about abortion.....using religion as a defense for ones beliefs often falls on deaf ears.


They didn't like John the baptist either.


True...but John the Baptist also knew....that sometimes you speak....and sometimes you let your actions speak for you. At times....doing and not saying....actually speaks volumes.
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wgc wrote:
trina1 wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
i just need to get this straight. This person is wgc is only quoting bible verses. How this is shoving down throaths? wgc is not forcing anyone to believe in what the verses say, only pointing them out.


Granted....but some on here appear to be rather upset with wgc's right to free speech. I am not....but when abortion is the issue....I think that there needs to be a distinction in the fact that pro-life is not merely a religious issue. There are many agnostics...atheists, etc who are pro-life....and religion never enters into their reasoning. I think rather than looking at pro-life issues as religious issues....they need to be looked at as human issues.

As far as I am concerned though....wgc can speak of God and religion all he/she wants to....but in a debate about abortion.....using religion as a defense for ones beliefs often falls on deaf ears.


They didn't like John the baptist either.

As for Gandi, he is not he light either.
Jn 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am d the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Mt 10:22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Ro 12:9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good

Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.

For cowardly who afraid to stand up for Gods word.

1Co 11:28 A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup.
1Co 11:29 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.
1Co 11:30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars —their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Rev 3:15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
Rev 3:16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.

Lev 5:1 “ ‘If a person sins because he does not speak up when he hears a public charge to testify regarding something he has seen or learned about, he will be held responsible.

Mk 8:33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”
Mk 8:34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me
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trina1 wrote:
wgc wrote:
trina1 wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
i just need to get this straight. This person is wgc is only quoting bible verses. How this is shoving down throaths? wgc is not forcing anyone to believe in what the verses say, only pointing them out.


Granted....but some on here appear to be rather upset with wgc's right to free speech. I am not....but when abortion is the issue....I think that there needs to be a distinction in the fact that pro-life is not merely a religious issue. There are many agnostics...atheists, etc who are pro-life....and religion never enters into their reasoning. I think rather than looking at pro-life issues as religious issues....they need to be looked at as human issues.

As far as I am concerned though....wgc can speak of God and religion all he/she wants to....but in a debate about abortion.....using religion as a defense for ones beliefs often falls on deaf ears.


They didn't like John the baptist either.


True...but John the Baptist also knew....that sometimes you speak....and sometimes you let your actions speak for you. At times....doing and not saying....actually speaks volumes.


Show me the scripture where John the Baptist said this. It doesn't!
If you had studied his word you would know that.

Rev 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
Rev 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

If you read Gods word you will know his will!

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Again!
Mk 8:38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”
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wgc wrote:
trina1 wrote:
wgc wrote:
trina1 wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
i just need to get this straight. This person is wgc is only quoting bible verses. How this is shoving down throaths? wgc is not forcing anyone to believe in what the verses say, only pointing them out.


Granted....but some on here appear to be rather upset with wgc's right to free speech. I am not....but when abortion is the issue....I think that there needs to be a distinction in the fact that pro-life is not merely a religious issue. There are many agnostics...atheists, etc who are pro-life....and religion never enters into their reasoning. I think rather than looking at pro-life issues as religious issues....they need to be looked at as human issues.

As far as I am concerned though....wgc can speak of God and religion all he/she wants to....but in a debate about abortion.....using religion as a defense for ones beliefs often falls on deaf ears.


They didn't like John the baptist either.


True...but John the Baptist also knew....that sometimes you speak....and sometimes you let your actions speak for you. At times....doing and not saying....actually speaks volumes.


Show me the scripture where John the Baptist said this. It doesn't!
If you had studied his word you would know that.

Rev 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
Rev 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

If you read Gods word you will know his will!


Show me....where I said John the Baptist said anything. What I am saying is.....actions speak louder than words. You are very good at spouting scripture....but what exactly do you do(besides quoting scripture)to spread Gods word? Are you active in charities or the pro-life movement...or do you just "tell" people what God wants?
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