Abortion images from all these weeks will be up soon! I just had a computer die right when I finished the first part, and had to do it all over again -_-

I feel so bad for you there as there is so much anger in your post here.
I'm new and passed by this area as many had to post b/c it was amazing how heartless you are in how you write about an innocent fetus,
ex: "doesn't look like a baby to me, I see no hair " (I may be wrong in exact words b/c I did not copy/paste) but man I felt pure hatred toward the new life new life forming in the precious photo.
Goodness, it looked like a baby growing to me. DUH.
I am in shock at this thread and saddened at the your mocking an unborn child.
No-I'm not a pro-lifer who burns down buildings, I respect all life.
I'm a mom of a 21 yr old son.
I was a single mom I had my son
I was blessed.
I'm now married and have a nice life.
He does too
I am sorry you hate so much, I am...and really wonder what drives you to want to do this? these are not YOUR unborn children they were someone elses respect the dead for heaven's sake.
I'm a hospice nurse I cannot see anything suffer..including you..you must suffer a great deal to go through all of this writing and graphics and mocking...it is unreal!
I will not be surprized if you, being a moderator deleted this.


Marianne

I dont think anyone in there right mind would suggest a zygote, embryo or early fetus would look anything like a new born baby, i dont think people who use these images do so for that purpose. I think you miss the point.

pro life people use the pictures to convey the humanity of the unborn infant, no they dont look like new born babies but you can see the human aspect of the unborn infant and that is what the pictures are trying to emphesize, there human status, not there baby like appearance.

yet if we can take a picture of a zygote there is nothing there that even appears human, it could be any cell from any animal species but we do not give worth and value to human beings on there appearence but on the fact that they are human beings all human beings have value and worth precisely because they are human beings, it is this philiosophy that upholds makes human rights indistructable once people use other arbitary points to determin the worth and value of human beings, then we are not putting value and worth on the human being and human rights becomes a house of cards. By defending and requesting human rights for a zygote we are defending and requesting human rights for all human beings, by opposing and denying human rights for a zygote, we are opening the door for society to be selective in which human beings should have human rights and which human beings should not. the only way to protect human rights is to protect all human beings from conception to natural death

The potential effects of selective human rights may not be seen by us in our lifetime but we are today in our lifetime opening a door so dangerous to the human rights of the most vunrable in society in the future, the poor and marginalised.

but these *fetuses* feel pain when destroyed..we know it's been proven and it's still getting rid of 'our own' species.

I'm not even speaking of a zygote, but life is life of course a 9 week old fetus feels pain.

I do get the point but it still remains the same destroying life, bottom line.
you say:
" The only way to protect human rights is to protect all human beings from conception to natural death"
well if so why the heck are we doing away with the unborn with no voice to defend?
it breaks my heart...these words do not make sense, I see unfair written all over them.

I'm not holy roller nor an activist but it's think it's something's 'just not right' about doing this to an inborn in a womb whose there for one reaso... to grow into full life and one day die like we will!

this is so not funny.
for a person post this puts you into the category of beyond nuts.

go get you jollies elsewhere and and one more thing you never know who will come in one day to be your hospice nurse.

go back and crawl under a rock and scurry with verim.

Methinks that some people have failed to understand what "this is the pro-choice forum" means -- yet again. How stupid are they? Can't they read?

Pro-choice means that if I think a fetus is a revolting maggot, I can have it removed from my body. I'm allowed to think it is a revolting maggot. It's my CHOICE. I can believe it is an alien life form that is sucking out the nutrients from my body. I'm not asking anyone else to believe this -- but YUCK. Fetuses look revolting. They are slimy, little prawns invading a uterus. Yuck Yuck Yuck.

I'm still having a hard time believing some of the time frames for those pictures. (I have seen these pictures on pro-life sites before) Particularly the ones using dimes as a reference to size.

I have read that a 9 week old embryo is about .51 inches long. At this stage, the embryo weighs about as much as a paper clip. The dime itself is a little over a half an inch (bigger then the embryo would be at this stage).

The photo of the 8 week old embryo is clearly stretched across the palm of a hand. That embryo should be about the size of a Tylenol pill! (about 8mm)

http://pregnancy.about.com/od/pregnancycal endar/

By the way (just because I'm on role here lol) when I had my abortion, I was only a little over 5 weeks. The embryo would have been 1mm long!!! That's smaller then a grain of uncooked rice. I would love for a pro-lifer to tell me that this alien being in my body was a person, and could feel pain and fear at this stage.




I absolutely agree with you! Why in the world would someone write something like that? Seems to me it's just another way for the pro-life crowd to scare women into not aborting. I have known women and girls who have chosen abortion, and not one of them felt anything but relief and even happiness afterward. I guess the pro-lifers forget about these women.

Yeah, I'm going to agree here that some of these pictures don't fit the sizes I've read before. But good post otherwise, because even if some of pictures are inaccurate, that only goes further to prove your point.

Even though I agree that the majority of women do not commit suicide after abortion, There are women that do. My friend Kat committed suicide because of the abortion she had. She stabbed herself in the stomach 7 times. She had sent me and her boyfriend, who didn't want the abortion, an e-mail, and left a note she had handwritten. She said in all of those letters that she couldn't live without her baby.

I know there are women that have absolutely no regrets after abortions, (Which quite frankly, I think they are heartless.) but we have to pay attention to the ones who are hurting afterwards. Whether they wanted it or not.

In regards to lucy 315, you call the baby you killed an "alien being." Saying that, would you have been ok with your mom killing you solely for that reason? Or would you would have rather had the choice to live? Choice. Isn't that something you preach? Saying you have a choice to kill a baby who really didn't do anything to you, is taking the choice to live from that child. At 5 weeks that baby had a heartbeat.

This is a 7 week old. had to be really close to it get that image. very, very small.


http://www.abortiontv.com/images/RU486Abor tion.JPG

First of all, this is the PRO-CHOICE forum. You shouldn't be posting here. The debating is supposed to stay in the debate forum. I personally don't care if you think I am "heartless". If a woman is hurting after an abortion, it is not my problem. She made the wrong decision for herself. Just because some woman may regret their abortion, doesn't mean that abortion shouldn't be allowed for those who don't.



Where did I say that I had an abortion "solely" for the fact that I thought it looked like an alien being? My mother is pro-choice, and planned to have me. If she would have aborted me, I wouldn't have known the difference. You might as well say "what if you mother decided not to have sex that night". Same thing. And yes, I do preach "choice". It's MY life, MY body, and MY freedom to do so. And that "baby" was doing something to me. It was taking my nutrients and making me feel awful. It was using MY body to survive. I didn't want it there, and made the "choice" to rid myself of it. I really don't care if it had a heartbeat. A heartbeat does not equal personhood or give the embryo any rights to my uterus.



What is that supposed to mean? She was once a revolting maggot too? Are you referring to me as well? Please get a life and stay on the pro-life forum.



I did use a condom! How dare you assume I wasn't smart enough to prevent a pregnancy I didn't want. I have never had sex without one, because I didn't ever want to become pregnant, and certainly never wanted to have an abortion. The condom failed one time in the 10 years I have been using them.

Follow the rules saria231. Debate in the debate forum.

I think we just "don't get it" as one said to me.
I can't bear to see heartless comments anymore, do not put yourself through this.
Something is terribly wrong with the inhumane selfish disgusting comments on here about human life...the no remorse amazes me.
Move on, it's so negative here while there are too many other postive forums to see and help on.
Have a nice weekend full of life
Marianne
[a Hospice nurse "end of life care" after a life has been lived.

Once again, this is the pro-choice forum. If you don't like the comments that we make, then go complain in the pro-life forum. This is here for pro-choicers to discuss their views on abortion. Have a nice day

Just to clear things up. (Last Post.)

First of all, I didn't say that was your reason, I asked if you would agree with your mom if that was her sole reason for having one. And you say it is YOUR body and YOUR freedom and YOUR choice. But you were given that body, freedom, and choice by your mother. I'm not trying to argue. that's just my view to clear the other post up.

In regards to the second part, oopoopoop said that fetuses are vile little prawns and maggots and they look disgusting. What I meant was I once looked like that, you once looked like that. she once looked like that. So did everyone else. and no, it wasn't directed at you.

I apologize about the condom thing. I was really ranting at that point. I apologize for the maggot comment as well.

I just really don't understand why life is so undervalued and invalid.

Like I said before, last post, just making things more clear. Once again, I apologize for the previous comments. I'll see you in debate.

Other species eat their young, leave them before hatching to fend for themselves, leave behind sick ones for the better of the pack, and so on.

We may be an elevated species but we're still animals and we're over-populating the earth like a freaking parasite. But that's just my opinion.

And we destroy life everyday. If you care so very much about human life look for ways you can help like donating to children's hospitals, fostering children, stopping wars where far too many innocent full grown humans die every day.

*giggle fit* you just made me almost spit out my drink laughing thank you I needed that.

If you can't follow directions [*prolife advocates*] then you really ought to rethink about why you carry around this superior attitude.

'Cuz it ain't from a superior intellect.

having seen a 9 week old embryo it didn't look like that in the picture