meblonde01
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Abortions Questions.
Posted: 05-09-07 07:34am
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This is directed to pro choicer
If you where pregnant and you knew the
baby was deformed would you about?
If you where pregnant and you knew the
baby would have some health problems would
you abort it?
If you where pregnant and you knew the
baby would be a down syndrome child, would
you abort it?
For what medical reason would you abort?
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Dannzibelle
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Posted: 05-09-07 07:40am
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Well for me i do consider myself
pro-choice but i do have some pro-life
veiws. I am pregnant so i will tell you
what i would do.
1. Deformities wouldn't matter to me.
2. If the health problems were very
severe, and would mean that the child
would have very little chance of survival
out of the womb i would consider abortion
but i think i could only make that
dicision if i was put in the position.
3. I would not abort if i found out my
child had down's syndrome.
4. If either myself or the child would not
survive the pregnancy and/or birth.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 05-09-07 07:59am
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Haven't we answered these in multiple
threads already? Ok.. pay attention this
time..
1. Yes, I would abort a deformed fetus..
at this stage of my life I'd abort any
fetus/ embryo though.
2. See above.
3. See above
4. Know your subject a bit before
dramatization for propaganda purposes
please. go to Fetal
Abnormalities and go about 2/3 the way
down the page; there are many links to
lethal chromosonal abnormalities and
pictures of fetal victims to show you what
you are actually talking about.
Go view those then come back here and we
can discuss your question about defects..
in all 4 of its repetitive parts.
One of the more notable aspects of Down
syndrome is the wide variety of features
and characteristics of people with trisomy
21:( Trisomy 21: Down syndrome; incidence
based upon maternal age, though
translocation type is familial; features
can include: epicanthal folds, simian
crease, brachycephaly, cardiac defects)
There is a wide range of mental
retardation and developmental delay noted
among children with Down syndrome.
Some babies are born with heart defects
and others aren't. Some children have
associated illnesses such as epilepsy,
hypothyroidism or celiac disease, and
others don't.
The first possible reason is the
difference in the genes that are
triplicated. As I mentioned above, genes
can come in different alternate forms,
called "alleles." The effect of
overexpression of genes may depend on
which allele is present in the person with
trisomy 21. The second reason that might
be involved is called "penetrance." If one
allele causes a condition to be present in
some people but not others, that is called
"variable penetrance," and that appears to
be what happens with trisomy 21: the
alleles don't do the same thing to every
person who has it. Both reasons may be why
there is such variation in children and
adults with Down syndrome.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 05-09-07 08:13am
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| Jincks013
wrote: | Haven't we answered these in
multiple threads already? Ok.. pay
attention this time..
1. Yes, I would abort a deformed fetus..
at this stage of my life I'd abort any
fetus/ embryo though.
2. See above.
3. See above
4. Know your subject a bit before
dramatization for propaganda purposes
please. go to Fetal
Abnormalities and go about 2/3 the way
down the page; there are many links to
lethal chromosonal abnormalities and
pictures of fetal victims to show you what
you are actually talking about.
Go view those then come back here and we
can discuss your question about defects..
in all 4 of its repetitive parts.
One of the more notable aspects of Down
syndrome is the wide variety of features
and characteristics of people with trisomy
21:( Trisomy 21: Down syndrome; incidence
based upon maternal age, though
translocation type is familial; features
can include: epicanthal folds, simian
crease, brachycephaly, cardiac defects)
There is a wide range of mental
retardation and developmental delay noted
among children with Down syndrome.
Some babies are born with heart defects
and others aren't. Some children have
associated illnesses such as epilepsy,
hypothyroidism or celiac disease, and
others don't.
The first possible reason is the
difference in the genes that are
triplicated. As I mentioned above, genes
can come in different alternate forms,
called "alleles." The effect of
overexpression of genes may depend on
which allele is present in the person with
trisomy 21. The second reason that might
be involved is called "penetrance." If one
allele causes a condition to be present in
some people but not others, that is called
"variable penetrance," and that appears to
be what happens with trisomy 21: the
alleles don't do the same thing to every
person who has it. Both reasons may be why
there is such variation in children and
adults with Down
syndrome. |
not sure if I was a memeber then all these
where answer before... so I guess your
rude comment " Pay Attention does not
apply.
Pay attention to a persons join date might
apply to you!
But thanks for a nice attitude.. 
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Jincks013
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Posted: 05-09-07 08:19am
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Which means you did not in fact look at
any actual information posted in response
to your 'questions' all four rephrases of
the same question. Get informed then come
back and we'll talk.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 05-09-07 08:22am
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| Jincks013
wrote: | | Which means you did not in
fact look at any actual information posted
in response to your 'questions' all four
rephrases of the same question. Get
informed then come back and we'll
talk. |
I care not to talk to you.. I'll get
imformed and talk else where..Or just sort
of bye pass you! You are rude!
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Posted: 05-09-07 08:26am
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| Dannzibelle
wrote: | Well for me i do consider
myself pro-choice but i do have some
pro-life veiws. I am pregnant so i will
tell you what i would do.
1. Deformities wouldn't matter to me.
2. If the health problems were very
severe, and would mean that the child
would have very little chance of survival
out of the womb i would consider abortion
but i think i could only make that
dicision if i was put in the position.
3. I would not abort if i found out my
child had down's syndrome.
4. If either myself or the child would not
survive the pregnancy and/or
birth. |
Thank You Dannzibelle for you imput!
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Jincks013
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Posted: 05-09-07 08:30am
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| meblonde01
wrote: | | Jincks013
wrote: | | Which means you did not in
fact look at any actual information posted
in response to your 'questions' all four
rephrases of the same question. Get
informed then come back and we'll
talk. |
I care not to talk to you.. I'll get
imformed and talk else where..Or just sort
of bye pass you! You are
rude! |
I am not to to allow you to engage me in a
question of rudeness given the normal tone
of your posts and complete hipocrisy. But
you will continue to respond, like an
addict, because you can't stand to not
have 'the last word' but before you post
anymore drivel about abnormalities take
some time to get to know your topic.
This is a debate forum, argueing fetal
abnormalities from an uninformed viewpoint
is flat irresponsible.
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Re: Abortions Questions.
Posted: 05-09-07 13:29pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | This is directed to pro
choicer
If you where pregnant and you knew the
baby was deformed would you about?
If you where pregnant and you knew the
baby would have some health problems would
you abort it?
If you where pregnant and you knew the
baby would be a down syndrome child, would
you abort it?
For what medical reason would you
abort? |
It would depend upon a few factors -
situation at the time but theoretically
If deformity then yes I would abort,
foetal health problems yes and downs yes I
would.
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meblonde01
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Re: Abortions Questions.
Posted: 05-09-07 13:57pm
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| Moo
wrote: | | meblonde01
wrote: | This is directed to pro
choicer
If you where pregnant and you knew the
baby was deformed would you about?
If you where pregnant and you knew the
baby would have some health problems would
you abort it?
If you where pregnant and you knew the
baby would be a down syndrome child, would
you abort it?
For what medical reason would you
abort? |
It would depend upon a few factors -
situation at the time but theoretically
If deformity then yes I would abort,
foetal health problems yes and downs yes I
would. |
so if you did not know your child had
these problems and it was born, then what
kill it because it wasn't what you
expected? Or would you give it away? Or
would you just love it and be it's mother?
And if you would just love it and be it's
mother why couldn't you do that when it
was growing inside of it's mother??
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Re: Abortions Questions.
Posted: 05-09-07 14:03pm
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| meblonde01
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so if you did not know your child had
these problems and it was born, then what
kill it because it wasn't what you
expected? Or would you give it away? Or
would you just love it and be it's mother?
And if you would just love it and be it's
mother why couldn't you do that when it
was growing inside of it's
mother?? |
I will be having the relevant tests for
any pregnancy I continue so this is all
theoretical.
If it were born with downs or a similar
serious problem then I wuold give it up
for adoption, yes.
Of course I wouldn't kill it, I'm
pro-choice I don't "support" infanticide
or homicide for goodness sake.
Chances are with anything I would abort
because of if I only found out after birth
adoption would (theoretically) be the
option for me.
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Posted: 05-09-07 14:33pm
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If my child's deformities would make life
impossible, improbable or otherwise
exceedingly difficult, yes. I love my
child enough to not force them to suffer
through that.
If my child would have some quality of
life, no. I love my child enough to work
with them and comfort them for as long as
they would need me.
I am pro-choice. Another woman's decision
is her own. This does not mean I favor
abortion - it means I favor choice and
freedom.
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Re: Abortions Questions.
Posted: 05-09-07 15:34pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | This is directed to pro
choicer
If you where pregnant and you knew the
baby was deformed would you
about? |
It would depend on the severity of the
deformity. If death was inveitable, I
would probably abort. If there was a good
chance of a life with quality or recovery
through surgery, I might keep.
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tr> | If you where
pregnant and you knew the baby would have
some health problems would you abort it?
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Again, it would depend. If the problems
would make it have no good quality of life
and it would just be a vegetable, then I
would abort.
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tr> | If you where
pregnant and you knew the baby would be a
down syndrome child, would you abort
it? |
Downs syndrom is tricky. I know a person
who has a mild case of it and they are
fine. I think I would give it a chance.
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tr> | For what medical
reason would you
abort? |
If I was going to die or become
handicapped. If the fetus would be
determined to die.
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Posted: 05-09-07 22:56pm
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| Dannzibelle
wrote: | Well for me i do consider
myself pro-choice but i do have some
pro-life veiws. I am pregnant so i will
tell you what i would do.
1. Deformities wouldn't matter to me.
2. If the health problems were very
severe, and would mean that the child
would have very little chance of survival
out of the womb i would consider abortion
but i think i could only make that
dicision if i was put in the position.
3. I would not abort if i found out my
child had down's syndrome.
4. If either myself or the child would not
survive the pregnancy and/or
birth. |
It is great to know that there are still
people around that believe every child
deserves a chance deformed or not. I thikn
if my child was born deformed i would love
it more. It would be special but if it had
serious risk and the baby would die after
i had it i would. but if i had to choose
my life or my childs i would choose mine.
I have had enough of life. Why not let my
child kno that i made the ultimate
sacrafice for it.
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Posted: 05-09-07 23:15pm
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so if you did not know your child had
these problems and it was born, then what
kill it because it wasn't what you
expected?
What? You want me to kill a post birth
baby? Aren't you supposed to be
Pro-fetal-life?oo.. got it.. fetal. This
hypothethical baby has already been born
so it doesn't matter to you.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 05-10-07 06:16am
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| Jincks013
wrote: | so if you did not know your
child had these problems and it was born,
then what kill it because it wasn't what
you expected?
What? You want me to kill a post birth
baby? Aren't you supposed to be
Pro-fetal-life?oo.. got it.. fetal. This
hypothethical baby has already been born
so it doesn't matter to
you. |
I did not say I wanted you to do anything
I was asking a question.. Get it?
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Re: Abortions Questions.
Posted: 05-10-07 12:25pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | This is directed to pro
choicer
If you where pregnant and you knew the
baby was deformed would you about?
If you where pregnant and you knew the
baby would have some health problems would
you abort it?
If you where pregnant and you knew the
baby would be a down syndrome child, would
you abort it?
For what medical reason would you
abort? |
All I see is the beginning of the
phrase..."If you were pregnant" and then
my automatic answer is "I would abort". I
have no business being a pregnant woman
right now.
If I were in a position to (gack) be
pregnant (I think I just tasted a little
vomit) and knew there were serious fetal
health issues, I would have a very
difficult time deciding what to do. It
would really depend on the exact nature of
the problem.
Why did you have your abortion,
meblonde01? Fetal abnormalities or were
you just "irresponsible"?*
(*For those of you just tuning in and are
not familiar with meblonde01's feelings on
abortions, abortions are done by women who
should "just deal with it" and not be
"irresponsible". She also had an
abortion. I just didn't want anyone to
think I was being too harsh. Unless you
think being too harsh is throwing her
words right back at her. And if that's
the case, go take a hike.) 
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Re: Abortions Questions.
Posted: 05-10-07 13:24pm
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Birch writes:
Why did you have your abortion,
meblonde01? Fetal abnormalities or were
you just "irresponsible"?*
(*For those of you just tuning in and are
not familiar with meblonde01's feelings on
abortions, abortions are done by women who
should "just deal with it" and not be
"irresponsible". She also had an
abortion. I just didn't want anyone to
think I was being too harsh. Unless you
think being too harsh is throwing her
words right back at her. And if that's
the case, go take a hike.)  [/quote]
Now birch,is this abortion debating or
someone just being nasty like I once said?
I rest my case. 
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Re: Abortions Questions.
Posted: 05-10-07 13:33pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | | Quote: |
tr> Why did you have
your abortion, meblonde01? Fetal
abnormalities or were you just
"irresponsible"?*
(*For those of you just tuning in and are
not familiar with meblonde01's feelings on
abortions, abortions are done by women who
should "just deal with it" and not be
"irresponsible". She also had an
abortion. I just didn't want anyone to
think I was being too harsh. Unless you
think being too harsh is throwing her
words right back at her. And if that's
the case, go take a hike.)  |
now, is this abortion debating, or someone
just being nasty like I once said? I rest
my case!!  |
You are so bad at using the quote
button...
Anyway, yes, it is debating. She's
debating your opinion that all women who
abort are irresponsible idiots. So go
ahead and respond. Remember you have to
include yourself among those irresponsible
idiots though. Also, my mother, my
fiancee's mother... carifairy... and many,
many wonderful young women throughout the
world. Go on now. Condemn them.
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meblonde01
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Re: Abortions Questions.
Posted: 05-10-07 13:37pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | meblonde01
wrote: | | Quote: |
tr> Why did you have
your abortion, meblonde01? Fetal
abnormalities or were you just
"irresponsible"?*
(*For those of you just tuning in and are
not familiar with meblonde01's feelings on
abortions, abortions are done by women who
should "just deal with it" and not be
"irresponsible". She also had an
abortion. I just didn't want anyone to
think I was being too harsh. Unless you
think being too harsh is throwing her
words right back at her. And if that's
the case, go take a hike.)  |
now, is this abortion debating, or someone
just being nasty like I once said? I rest
my case!!  |
You are so bad at using the quote
button...
Anyway, yes, it is debating. She's
debating your opinion that all women who
abort are irresponsible idiots. So go
ahead and respond. Remember you have to
include yourself among those irresponsible
idiots though. Also, my mother, my
fiancee's mother... carifairy... and many,
many wonderful young women throughout the
world. Go on now. Condemn
them. |
never called them idiots. That's your
favorite word..
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