Why Abortion Is Legal...and Should Stay That Way. (Page 1)
1. Laws against abortion kill women.
To prohibit abortions does not stop them. When women feel it is absolutely necessary, they will choose to have abortions, even in secret, without medical care, in dangerous circumstances. In the two decades before abortion was legal in the U.S., it's been estimated that nearly a million women per year sought out illegal abortions. Thousands died. Tens of thousands were mutilated. All were forced to behave as if they were criminals.
2. Legal abortions protect women's health.
Legal abortion not only protects women's lives, it also protects their health. For tens of thousands of women with heart disease, kidney disease, severe hypertension, sickle-cell anemia and severe diabetes, and other illnesses that can be life-threatening, the availability of legal abortion has helped avert serious medical complications that could have resulted from childbirth. Before legal abortion, such women's choices were limited to dangerous illegal abortion or dangerous childbirth.
3. A woman is more than a fetus.
There's an argument these days that a fetus is a "person" that is "indistinguishable from the rest of us" and that it deserves rights equal to women's. On this question there is a tremendous spectrum of religious, philosophical, scientific, and medical opinion. It's been argued for centuries. Fortunately, our society has recognized that each woman must be able to make this decision, based on her own conscience. To impose
a law defining a fetus as a "person," granting it rights equal to or superior to a woman's à a thinking, feeling, conscious human being à is arrogant and absurd. It only serves to diminish women.
4. Being a mother is just one option for women.
Many hard battles have been fought to win political and economic equality for women. These gains will not be worth much if reproductive choice is denied. To be able to choose a safe, legal abortion makes many other options possible. Otherwise an accident or a rape can end a woman's economic and personal freedom.
5. Outlawing abortion is discriminatory.
Anti-abortion laws discriminate against low-income women, who are driven to dangerous self-induced or back-alley abortions. That is all they can afford. But the rich can travel wherever necessary to obtain a safe abortion.
6. Compulsory pregnancy laws are incompatible with a free society.
If there is any matter which is personal and private, then pregnancy is it. There can be no more extreme invasion of privacy than requiring a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. If government is permitted to compel a woman to bear a child, where will government stop? The concept is morally repugnant. It violates traditional American ideas of individual rights and freedoms.
7. Outlaw abortion, and more children will bear children.
Forty percent of 14-year-old girls will become pregnant before they turn 20. This could happen to your daughter or someone else close to you. Here are the critical questions: Should the penalty for lack of knowledge or even for a moment's carelessness be enforced pregnancy and childrearing? Or dangerous illegal abortion? Should we consign a teenager to a life sentence of joblessness, hopelessness, and dependency?
8. "Every child a wanted child."
If women are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, the result is unwanted children. Everyone knows they are among society's most tragic cases, often uncared-for, unloved, brutalized, and abandoned. When they grow up, these children are often seriously disadvantaged, and sometimes inclined toward brutal behavior to others. This is not good for children, for families, or for the country. Children need love and families who want and will care for them.
9. Choice is good for families.
Even when precautions are taken, accidents can and do happen. For some families, this is not a problem.
But for others, such an event can be catastrophic. An unintended pregnancy can increase tensions, disrupt stability, and push people below the line of economic survival. Family planning is the answer. All options must be open. At the most basic level, the abortion issue is not really about abortion. It is about the value of women in society. Should women make their own decisions about family, career, and how to live their lives? Or should government do that for them? Do women have the option of deciding when or whether to have children? Or is that a government decision?
To prohibit abortions does not stop them. When women feel it is absolutely necessary, they will choose to have abortions, even in secret, without medical care, in dangerous circumstances. In the two decades before abortion was legal in the U.S., it's been estimated that nearly a million women per year sought out illegal abortions. Thousands died. Tens of thousands were mutilated. All were forced to behave as if they were criminals.
2. Legal abortions protect women's health.
Legal abortion not only protects women's lives, it also protects their health. For tens of thousands of women with heart disease, kidney disease, severe hypertension, sickle-cell anemia and severe diabetes, and other illnesses that can be life-threatening, the availability of legal abortion has helped avert serious medical complications that could have resulted from childbirth. Before legal abortion, such women's choices were limited to dangerous illegal abortion or dangerous childbirth.
3. A woman is more than a fetus.
There's an argument these days that a fetus is a "person" that is "indistinguishable from the rest of us" and that it deserves rights equal to women's. On this question there is a tremendous spectrum of religious, philosophical, scientific, and medical opinion. It's been argued for centuries. Fortunately, our society has recognized that each woman must be able to make this decision, based on her own conscience. To impose
a law defining a fetus as a "person," granting it rights equal to or superior to a woman's à a thinking, feeling, conscious human being à is arrogant and absurd. It only serves to diminish women.
4. Being a mother is just one option for women.
Many hard battles have been fought to win political and economic equality for women. These gains will not be worth much if reproductive choice is denied. To be able to choose a safe, legal abortion makes many other options possible. Otherwise an accident or a rape can end a woman's economic and personal freedom.
5. Outlawing abortion is discriminatory.
Anti-abortion laws discriminate against low-income women, who are driven to dangerous self-induced or back-alley abortions. That is all they can afford. But the rich can travel wherever necessary to obtain a safe abortion.
6. Compulsory pregnancy laws are incompatible with a free society.
If there is any matter which is personal and private, then pregnancy is it. There can be no more extreme invasion of privacy than requiring a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. If government is permitted to compel a woman to bear a child, where will government stop? The concept is morally repugnant. It violates traditional American ideas of individual rights and freedoms.
7. Outlaw abortion, and more children will bear children.
Forty percent of 14-year-old girls will become pregnant before they turn 20. This could happen to your daughter or someone else close to you. Here are the critical questions: Should the penalty for lack of knowledge or even for a moment's carelessness be enforced pregnancy and childrearing? Or dangerous illegal abortion? Should we consign a teenager to a life sentence of joblessness, hopelessness, and dependency?
8. "Every child a wanted child."
If women are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, the result is unwanted children. Everyone knows they are among society's most tragic cases, often uncared-for, unloved, brutalized, and abandoned. When they grow up, these children are often seriously disadvantaged, and sometimes inclined toward brutal behavior to others. This is not good for children, for families, or for the country. Children need love and families who want and will care for them.
9. Choice is good for families.
Even when precautions are taken, accidents can and do happen. For some families, this is not a problem.
But for others, such an event can be catastrophic. An unintended pregnancy can increase tensions, disrupt stability, and push people below the line of economic survival. Family planning is the answer. All options must be open. At the most basic level, the abortion issue is not really about abortion. It is about the value of women in society. Should women make their own decisions about family, career, and how to live their lives? Or should government do that for them? Do women have the option of deciding when or whether to have children? Or is that a government decision?
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Word, Birch. You hit the nail on the head with each statement.
It's sad that anti-choicers are dense enough to argue with this logic. Then again, we're talking about the group that is comprised mostly of women who bleat as hard as they can in an attempt to destroy the rights their predecessors worked so hard to acquire.
It's sad that anti-choicers are dense enough to argue with this logic. Then again, we're talking about the group that is comprised mostly of women who bleat as hard as they can in an attempt to destroy the rights their predecessors worked so hard to acquire.
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1. Abortion kills children
2. Abortions are often detrimental to a women's health.
3. A woman has less potential than her child.
4. Being a mother is just one option for women and women have a choice put their children up for adoption if they don't like the consequence of unprotected sex.
5. Abortion is discriminatory against the young.
6. Compulsory pregnancy laws are incompatible with a free society.
7. Outlaw abortion, and more children will avoid their early death.
8. "every child a living child"
9. Children are good for families.
2. Abortions are often detrimental to a women's health.
3. A woman has less potential than her child.
4. Being a mother is just one option for women and women have a choice put their children up for adoption if they don't like the consequence of unprotected sex.
5. Abortion is discriminatory against the young.
6. Compulsory pregnancy laws are incompatible with a free society.
7. Outlaw abortion, and more children will avoid their early death.
8. "every child a living child"
9. Children are good for families.
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| 1. Abortion kills children |
Only if you equate an embryo or fetus with a born child. I don't. Even if I did, I'd still be pro choice.
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| 2. Abortions are often detrimental to a women's health. |
Wrong. First trimester legal abortion is very safe, many times safer than gestation and childbirth.
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| 3. A woman has less potential than her child. |
Wow. Why do you think so little of women?
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| 4. Being a mother is just one option for women and women have a choice put their children up for adoption if they don't like the consequence of unprotected sex. |
Why do you assume that all women who abort were having unprotected sex?
I am *not* a broodmare for the barren, I will *not* put *my* body through the trauma of gestation and childbirth just so someone can have a lily white baby. Let them adopt some of the thousands of older children needing loving permanent homes.
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| 5. Abortion is discriminatory against the young. |
Forced gestation is discriminatory against women.
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| 6. Compulsory pregnancy laws are incompatible with a free society. |
Agreed!
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| 7. Outlaw abortion, and more children will avoid their early death.
8. "every child a living child" |
See #1.
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| 9. Children are good for families. |
Not for families that don't want them.
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3. A woman has less potential than her child. |
*exasperated*
I tell you what, I read number three and stopped. Anyone who states that as a reason why abortion shouldn't be legal is a big, sopping wet hairball.
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*exasperated* I tell you what, I read number three and stopped. Anyone who states that as a reason why abortion shouldn't be legal is a big, sopping wet hairball. |
This is exactly how I felt about the first list. I don't take my list anymore seriously than I think the other list should be taken. However, logically a newborn child will have more potential than a childbearing mother giving birth to that child. I think most reasonable people will agree. Not to say that a mother has low potential, just less than a human being starting out. Most of us start out in this world with our fullest potential. We are then either nourished and flourish. And in some cases, people are abused and often times incapable of becoming what potential we once held. We also begin life free of a history of either good or bad choices. Therefore, the potential for success however you might measure that is at it's peak.
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| willdfw5 wrote: |
| 1. Abortion kills children
2. Abortions are often detrimental to a women's health. 3. A woman has less potential than her child. 4. Being a mother is just one option for women and women have a choice put their children up for adoption if they don't like the consequence of unprotected sex. 5. Abortion is discriminatory against the young. 6. Compulsory pregnancy laws are incompatible with a free society. 7. Outlaw abortion, and more children will avoid their early death. 8. "every child a living child" 9. Children are good for families. |
Cheers!!!!
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Pros and Cons!
Pros of Abortion
Laws against abortion kill women. Even though abortion may be illegal doesn't mean that women won't go through with the abortion. Look at the case of Becky Bell for example. She was an innocent girl that did not want her child and died because of an illegal abortion.
Legal abortion protects women's health. For tens of thousands of women with heart disease, kidney disease, severe hypertension, sickle-cell anemia and severe diabetes, and other illnesses that can be life-threatening, the availability of legal abortion has helped avert serious medical complications that could have resulted from childbirth. Before legal abortion, such women's choices were limited to dangerous illegal abortion or dangerous childbirth.
A woman is more than a fetus. Though a woman might be pregnant with a child, she still is her own person and has every right to decide what she wants to do with her baby.
Outlawing abortion is discriminatory. Anti abortion laws discriminate against low income women who are forced to back alley abortions, where they can become infected. Rich people can travel to anywhere they need to go to find the proper care that they need.
If abortion is outlawed then more "children" will be having children. Abortion should not be a form of birth control, but if something does happen there should be the option of abortion there so the wrong mother doesn't have to raise a child at such a young age.
Every child should be a wanted child. If abortion is illegal then there would be a lot of children brought into this world that weren't wanted. This could cause more damage to the child than anything.
Abortion should be legal for those women who are raped. Women who are raped sometimes can not even bare the thought of bringing that child into their lives and sometimes the option of abortion is the best one to chose.
Cons of Abortion
Abortion does not give the child that is in the womb a chance at life. It is wrong and looked down upon by a lot of religions.
Some women use abortion as a type of birth control. They sleep with men and do not use protection and think nothing of it to go to the clinic as many as five times in their life to have an abortion.
A con against abortion is the nagging thought that a woman went to a clinic, had an abortion, and thus the world was prevented from seeing the birth of the only person capable of attaining a leadership role and initiating a peace accord between warring factions in the Middle East, thus preventing decades of strife and murder. A stable home life is not a guarantee of talent, and illegitimate children have shown themselves to be very bright on occasion, Lawrence of Arabia for one.
Another con, is that the child who never lived, may have invented a cure for cancer (had he lived). Think about that, if youâre for abortion, the next time you walk into a hospital to have a mysterious growth on your breast checked out.
Having an abortion always lessens your chances for having children later in life. Even though it doesn't happen to many women, you could be the one to miss out on your once in a life time chance to have your baby.
There are other options. You can give your baby up for adoption and give your child a chance at life.
If looked at at the religious aspect, God gave you the opportunity to have a baby for a reason, you should not throw that chance away.
If you laid down in the bed and weren't responsible, you should take responsibility for your actions and take care of the child you created. Abortion is the lazy way out.
If you have an abortion you will always wonder what if, and feel guilty for the rest of your life about the child you could have had.
tiger.towson.edu/users/bpahl1/pros%20and%2 0cons%20page.htm
Pros of Abortion
Laws against abortion kill women. Even though abortion may be illegal doesn't mean that women won't go through with the abortion. Look at the case of Becky Bell for example. She was an innocent girl that did not want her child and died because of an illegal abortion.
Legal abortion protects women's health. For tens of thousands of women with heart disease, kidney disease, severe hypertension, sickle-cell anemia and severe diabetes, and other illnesses that can be life-threatening, the availability of legal abortion has helped avert serious medical complications that could have resulted from childbirth. Before legal abortion, such women's choices were limited to dangerous illegal abortion or dangerous childbirth.
A woman is more than a fetus. Though a woman might be pregnant with a child, she still is her own person and has every right to decide what she wants to do with her baby.
Outlawing abortion is discriminatory. Anti abortion laws discriminate against low income women who are forced to back alley abortions, where they can become infected. Rich people can travel to anywhere they need to go to find the proper care that they need.
If abortion is outlawed then more "children" will be having children. Abortion should not be a form of birth control, but if something does happen there should be the option of abortion there so the wrong mother doesn't have to raise a child at such a young age.
Every child should be a wanted child. If abortion is illegal then there would be a lot of children brought into this world that weren't wanted. This could cause more damage to the child than anything.
Abortion should be legal for those women who are raped. Women who are raped sometimes can not even bare the thought of bringing that child into their lives and sometimes the option of abortion is the best one to chose.
Cons of Abortion
Abortion does not give the child that is in the womb a chance at life. It is wrong and looked down upon by a lot of religions.
Some women use abortion as a type of birth control. They sleep with men and do not use protection and think nothing of it to go to the clinic as many as five times in their life to have an abortion.
A con against abortion is the nagging thought that a woman went to a clinic, had an abortion, and thus the world was prevented from seeing the birth of the only person capable of attaining a leadership role and initiating a peace accord between warring factions in the Middle East, thus preventing decades of strife and murder. A stable home life is not a guarantee of talent, and illegitimate children have shown themselves to be very bright on occasion, Lawrence of Arabia for one.
Another con, is that the child who never lived, may have invented a cure for cancer (had he lived). Think about that, if youâre for abortion, the next time you walk into a hospital to have a mysterious growth on your breast checked out.
Having an abortion always lessens your chances for having children later in life. Even though it doesn't happen to many women, you could be the one to miss out on your once in a life time chance to have your baby.
There are other options. You can give your baby up for adoption and give your child a chance at life.
If looked at at the religious aspect, God gave you the opportunity to have a baby for a reason, you should not throw that chance away.
If you laid down in the bed and weren't responsible, you should take responsibility for your actions and take care of the child you created. Abortion is the lazy way out.
If you have an abortion you will always wonder what if, and feel guilty for the rest of your life about the child you could have had.
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This is exactly how I felt about the first list. I don't take my list anymore seriously than I think the other list should be taken. However, logically a newborn child will have more potential than a childbearing mother giving birth to that child. I think most reasonable people will agree. Not to say that a mother has low potential, just less than a human being starting out. Most of us start out in this world with our fullest potential. We are then either nourished and flourish. And in some cases, people are abused and often times incapable of becoming what potential we once held. We also begin life free of a history of either good or bad choices. Therefore, the potential for success however you might measure that is at it's peak. |
Potential is in flux. Stating that a newborn baby = X amount of potential, and then it declines with age is not logical.
A newborn baby has zero potential unless it is cared for by others.
My life experiences and intelligence gives me more potential than a newborn.
Using that as a basis to be anti-abortion is ageist, and slightly less so sexist.
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Cons of Abortion Abortion does not give the child that is in the womb a chance at life. It is wrong and looked down upon by a lot of religions. Some women use abortion as a type of birth control. They sleep with men and do not use protection and think nothing of it to go to the clinic as many as five times in their life to have an abortion. A con against abortion is the nagging thought that a woman went to a clinic, had an abortion, and thus the world was prevented from seeing the birth of the only person capable of attaining a leadership role and initiating a peace accord between warring factions in the Middle East, thus preventing decades of strife and not a nice act. A stable home life is not a guarantee of talent, and illegitimate children have shown themselves to be very bright on occasion, Lawrence of Arabia for one. Another con, is that the child who never lived, may have invented a cure for cancer (had he lived). Think about that, if youâre for abortion, the next time you walk into a hospital to have a mysterious growth on your breast checked out. Having an abortion always lessens your chances for having children later in life. Even though it doesn't happen to many women, you could be the one to miss out on your once in a life time chance to have your baby. There are other options. You can give your baby up for adoption and give your child a chance at life. If looked at at the religious aspect, God gave you the opportunity to have a baby for a reason, you should not throw that chance away. If you laid down in the bed and weren't responsible, you should take responsibility for your actions and take care of the child you created. Abortion is the lazy way out. If you have an abortion you will always wonder what if, and feel guilty for the rest of your life about the child you could have had. tiger.towson.edu/users/bpahl1/pros%20and%2 0cons%20page.htm |
Your "cons" make me laugh.
You could have aborted the next Stalin, Hitler, Bush.
You could have aborted someone who would have created a horrible biological weapon.
Abortion does not "always lessen your chance for having children". Ridiculous.
My religion says purple unicorns are in charge, and they are okay with abortion.
Taking responbility sometimes means getting an abortion. This is not a hard a concept.
Abortion is not a lazy way out. Cut and pasting crappy editorials and posting them on forums is.
There are reasonable arguments against abortion. I suggest you find those.
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Your "cons" make me laugh. You could have aborted the next Stalin, Hitler, Bush. You could have aborted someone who would have created a horrible biological weapon. Abortion does not "always lessen your chance for having children". Ridiculous. My religion says purple unicorns are in charge, and they are okay with abortion. Taking responbility sometimes means getting an abortion. This is not a hard a concept. Abortion is not a lazy way out. Cut and pasting crappy editorials and posting them on forums is. There are reasonable arguments against abortion. I suggest you find those. |
To each their own opinion!
Not using your own words and copying and pasting in general is a bit lazy wouldn't you say?? I suggest you not do it then criticize someone else for it. And the pros of what I posted made me laugh. Like I said, to each their own!
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To each their own opinion! Not using your own words and copying and pasting in general is a bit lazy wouldn't you say?? I suggest you not do it then criticize someone else for it. And the pros of what I posted made me laugh. Like I said, to each their own! |
Really, I preferred it when you didn't respond to me. At the very least, address what I say with some logic and relevance. I stated facts, you stated falsehoods.
Think about what "to each their own" means before you post it as a prolife advocate on an abortion debate forum.
I think posters like meblonde really show off that stereotype of the uneducated prolife advocate.
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Really, I preferred it when you didn't respond to me. At the very least, address what I say with some logic and relevance. I stated facts, you stated falsehoods. Think about what "to each their own" means before you post it as a prolife advocate on an abortion debate forum. I think posters like meblonde and cowboys really show off that stereotype of the uneducated prolife advocate. |
You did not adress what I said either. Did you?? You question the fact that I cut and pasted.. Yet you do the same thing right? What makes what you stated Facts? Is it Because you believe in the site you copied from?? Where is the logic in that?
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You did not adress what I said either. Did you?? You question the fact that I cut and pasted.. Yet you do the same thing right? What makes what you stated Facts? Is it Because you believe in the site you copied from?? Where is the logic in that? |
I did address what you said, point by point. Did you read it?
Common sense, logic, & history are on my side. Your 'cons' aren't even true. Again, there are legit arguments against choice; why not find those?
Irony.
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I did address what you said, point by point. Did you read it? Common sense, logic, & history are on my side. Your 'cons' aren't even true. Again, there are legit arguments against choice; why not find those? Irony. |
Did I miss something? Did you not condemned me for cutting and pasting and you do the same thing? I did not see where you addressed that issue. That is what I was talking about. And this silly conversation has ended..
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Irony. |
Did I miss something? Did you not condemned me for cutting and pasting and you do the same thing? I did not see where you addressed that issue. That is what I was talking about. And this silly conversation has ended..
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I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about abortion, and your silly list of cons. Were you shown the error of your ways so badly that now you attempt to diverge?
Did I "condemn" you? Is that a buzz word on the forum or what? "Here ye, here ye, meblonde is condemned to thy place of eternal sulfur!"
All you can do is copy and paste, you couldn't even come up with your own argument, that's all you do all over the forum, and it was a a point of humor if you go back and read it. Have you no mind? I do it one time and what? You harp on it like a vulture?
Are you one of those brainwashed warmongers who voted for the person in office now?
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You know, when I originally came on here, I made it a point to be kind to my neighbors...then I realized that my online neighbors are really just the same people as my real life neighbors. Complete selfish jackwipes without a shred of decency, and they get what they deserve.
Here's a story...
Last week, I was working up in my studio. A shrieking of brakes filled the air, followed by shouts and the most pitiful screaming I had ever heard. I froze...was that a dog or a child? Looking out the window, I saw a crowd across the street and a small dog limping out of the road. I flew down the stairs and out the door. People were standing there, staring at this animal- A five month old German shepard mix puppy was laying on the sidewalk, trying to walk, it's rear leg mangled, blood coming out of it's mouth, . I am a squeamish person, but I held it together while these morons pointed in disgust. It kept trying to walk, and I yelled at them to not allow it to walk, but they were incapable of getting over their fear. I held the dog down, found out whose it was, and told her that she needed to take it to a vet right now. She didn't have a vet. I said fine, I'll take it to the vet er. Flash forward...neighbor (a reluctant passenger, I might add) and dog in my car. Neighbor did not have dog on leash, did not have gate shut, only had it for a week. Flash forward to vet. The vet, whom disgusts me, had dogs intubated laying on floors, had a gerbil a young assistant was trying to revive by imitating a "yo yo" with it. She took one look at the dog, and ran to put together not a concoction of painkillers for this pitiful creature, but a bill. $1000 at least, and probably lose his leg.
Well, of course this lady didn't "have a thousand dollars to spend on a dog she only had a week". She looked at me. I was astonished. I'm a student, first of all, secondly, how could she ask me to spend a thousand dollars on an animal I didn't even know after she just made a similar statement. For the record, if I had the money, I would have paid for it, and sent her in a cab home, and had a three legged down. Would've gone nicely with my three legged cat.
So, they had to put the dog down.
The clincher to me was that this neighbor of mine "couldn't stand" to be with the puppy when they put him down. I hardly think a creature should leave the world without a person who knew it, and I wanted to yell at the lady to be strong, it's not about her needs right now. But I know some people can't take it. So I stayed.
So then, the problem is disposal. She didn't want to bother. And then she asked if she could smoke in my car.
Long story short, puppy is buried in my backyard, neighbor never said an froikin' word of thanks, and I hate people once again.
Thanks for reading. Sorry it's sooooo off subject; I know I've been sounding like a gigantic 'woman who is letting her hormones get the better of her' lately and I wanted to explain a little bit why.
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I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about abortion, and your silly list of cons. Were you shown the error of your ways so badly that now you attempt to diverge?
Did I "condemn" you? Is that a buzz word on the forum or what? "Here ye, here ye, meblonde is condemned to thy place of eternal sulfur!"
All you can do is copy and paste, you couldn't even come up with your own argument, that's all you do all over the forum, and it was a a point of humor if you go back and read it. Have you no mind? I do it one time and what? You harp on it like a vulture?
Are you one of those brainwashed warmongers who voted for the person in office now?
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You know, when I originally came on here, I made it a point to be kind to my neighbors...then I realized that my online neighbors are really just the same people as my real life neighbors. Complete selfish jackwipes without a shred of decency, and they get what they deserve.
Here's a story...
Last week, I was working up in my studio. A shrieking of brakes filled the air, followed by shouts and the most pitiful screaming I had ever heard. I froze...was that a dog or a child? Looking out the window, I saw a crowd across the street and a small dog limping out of the road. I flew down the stairs and out the door. People were standing there, staring at this animal- A five month old German shepard mix puppy was laying on the sidewalk, trying to walk, it's rear leg mangled, blood coming out of it's mouth, . I am a squeamish person, but I held it together while these morons pointed in disgust. It kept trying to walk, and I yelled at them to not allow it to walk, but they were incapable of getting over their fear. I held the dog down, found out whose it was, and told her that she needed to take it to a vet right now. She didn't have a vet. I said fine, I'll take it to the vet er. Flash forward...neighbor (a reluctant passenger, I might add) and dog in my car. Neighbor did not have dog on leash, did not have gate shut, only had it for a week. Flash forward to vet. The vet, whom disgusts me, had dogs intubated laying on floors, had a gerbil a young assistant was trying to revive by imitating a "yo yo" with it. She took one look at the dog, and ran to put together not a concoction of painkillers for this pitiful creature, but a bill. $1000 at least, and probably lose his leg.
Well, of course this lady didn't "have a thousand dollars to spend on a dog she only had a week". She looked at me. I was astonished. I'm a student, first of all, secondly, how could she ask me to spend a thousand dollars on an animal I didn't even know after she just made a similar statement. For the record, if I had the money, I would have paid for it, and sent her in a cab home, and had a three legged down. Would've gone nicely with my three legged cat.
So, they had to put the dog down.
The clincher to me was that this neighbor of mine "couldn't stand" to be with the puppy when they put him down. I hardly think a creature should leave the world without a person who knew it, and I wanted to yell at the lady to be strong, it's not about her needs right now. But I know some people can't take it. So I stayed.
So then, the problem is disposal. She didn't want to bother. And then she asked if she could smoke in my car.
Long story short, puppy is buried in my backyard, neighbor never said an froikin' word of thanks, and I hate people once again.
Thanks for reading. Sorry it's sooooo off subject; I know I've been sounding like a gigantic 'woman who is letting her hormones get the better of her' lately and I wanted to explain a little bit why.
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I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about abortion, and your silly list of cons. Were you shown the error of your ways so badly that now you attempt to diverge? Did I "condemn" you? Is that a buzz word on the forum or what? "Here ye, here ye, meblonde is condemned to thy place of eternal sulfur!" All you can do is copy and paste, you couldn't even come up with your own argument, that's all you do all over the forum, and it was a a point of humor if you go back and read it. Have you no mind? I do it one time and what? You harp on it like a vulture? Are you one of those brainwashed warmongers who voted for the person in office now? ------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------- You know, when I originally came on here, I made it a point to be kind to my neighbors...then I realized that my online neighbors are really just the same people as my real life neighbors. Complete selfish jackwipes without a shred of decency, and they get what they deserve. Here's a story... Last week, I was working up in my studio. A shrieking of brakes filled the air, followed by shouts and the most pitiful screaming I had ever heard. I froze...was that a dog or a child? Looking out the window, I saw a crowd across the street and a small dog limping out of the road. I flew down the stairs and out the door. People were standing there, staring at this animal- A five month old German shepard mix puppy was laying on the sidewalk, trying to walk, it's rear leg mangled, blood coming out of it's mouth, . I am a squeamish person, but I held it together while these morons pointed in disgust. It kept trying to walk, and I yelled at them to not allow it to walk, but they were incapable of getting over their fear. I held the dog down, found out whose it was, and told her that she needed to take it to a vet right now. She didn't have a vet. I said fine, I'll take it to the vet er. Flash forward...neighbor (a reluctant passenger, I might add) and dog in my car. Neighbor did not have dog on leash, did not have gate shut, only had it for a week. Flash forward to vet. The vet, whom disgusts me, had dogs intubated laying on floors, had a gerbil a young assistant was trying to revive by imitating a "yo yo" with it. She took one look at the dog, and ran to put together not a concoction of painkillers for this pitiful creature, but a bill. $1000 at least, and probably lose his leg. Well, of course this lady didn't "have a thousand dollars to spend on a dog she only had a week". She looked at me. I was astonished. I'm a student, first of all, secondly, how could she ask me to spend a thousand dollars on an animal I didn't even know after she just made a similar statement. For the record, if I had the money, I would have paid for it, and sent her in a cab home, and had a three legged down. Would've gone nicely with my three legged cat. So, they had to put the dog down. The clincher to me was that this neighbor of mine "couldn't stand" to be with the puppy when they put him down. I hardly think a creature should leave the world without a person who knew it, and I wanted to yell at the lady to be strong, it's not about her needs right now. But I know some people can't take it. So I stayed. So then, the problem is disposal. She didn't want to bother. And then she asked if she could smoke in my car. Long story short, puppy is buried in my backyard, neighbor never said an froikin' word of thanks, and I don't like people once again. Thanks for reading. Sorry it's sooooo off subject; I know I've been sounding like a gigantic 'woman who is letting her hormones get the better of her' lately and I wanted to explain a little bit why. |
wow, i just wanted to say that was very kind of you, i don't even know what to say to that. i feel bad for the poor dog though
thankfully it had someone like you around to put it out of its misery!
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That's just horrible .Birch I'm so glad that the poor little guy had someone in the world who cared for him at the end.
Humans are the cancer of the planet in my opinion and your story just deepens my belief
I'm so glad that the poor little guy had someone in the world who cared for him at the end.
Humans are the cancer of the planet in my opinion and your story just deepens my belief
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