Occasionally when I drink, my boyfriend
and I get into really bad fights. It gets
to the point where we are physical with
each other. My boyfriend decided to stop
drinking liquor as a result. The other
night though, I got really drunk and went
crazy basically. I was fine when we were
with our friends. But once in the car
with just my boyfriend, I started yelling
at him and having a fit. It got to the
point were I was throwing his stuff out of
the window and hit him once we got home.
I also broke up with him in my state of
drunkenness. I’m wondering what it is
that makes me such a bad drunk at times?
I drink maybe once a week and it’s
always with him. These incidences happen
maybe once a month. This was the first
time that I think it was just completely
me going off on him.
In college I’d say that I’d be a
“bad” drunk maybe twice a year and I
was drinking a lot more then. I’d fight
with a friend or just be mean. But they
weren’t as bad as it’s been with my
boyfriend. Do these incidence mean that
I’m an alcoholic? The next day I
remember some of what happened but the
details are fuzzy at best.
I feel so bad because I love my boyfriend
so much and I don’t want to lose him.
He wants to move out now (we’ve lived
together in my house for about 3 months
now) because I’ve told him to move out
and leave about 3 times now when I was
drunk. He doesn’t have anywhere to go
and it makes him feel lost to not have
somewhere to go when we fight like this.
I never actually want him to leave the
next day. I feel like I have anger built
up inside me sometimes and it just comes
out in the worst ways when I have had too
much to drink.
Is it possible to become a better drunk?
Can I trust myself to just drink less? Do
I need to stop altogether? What can I
do?
The thought of stopping altogether
terrifies me because I enjoy going out and
having a good time. I’m often able to
go out and not drink too much. It’s
just that lately, when I do drink too much
I’m a mean, horrible person.
Can anyone relate to this?
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Magical Logic
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 2248
Posted: 03-19-07 09:40am
i think your best bet is that if you want
to keep your boyfriend stop drinking.
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shadowalker164
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 175 Location: Tampa, FL
Posted: 03-20-07 10:40am
“The thought of stopping altogether
terrifies me” Bingo!
Those are the magic words. Nirvana, you
are screwed! When we get to that place,
and I have, we are probably beyond
exercising any real control over alcohol.
Just not drinking, as good as that advice
sounds, just isn’t in the cards for us.
We will always find a reason to have just
one. And you know how “just one “
goes.
Nirvana, you realize that most people
never ask themselves “Am I an
alcoholic?” The only ones who try to
control their alcohol consumption are the
ones who have already lost said control.
Normal people never ask themselves such
questions.
Like I said before, you, me, and millions
of other people to whom the idea of not
drinking ever again, scares the hell out
of, are screwed!
Alcoholics Anonymous is where I learned to
live quite happily without alcohol. I no
longer am screwed, I am free.
Richard
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Mommy35
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 3165 Location: Vacationland, USA,
Posted: 03-20-07 10:49am
According to the DSM IV there are a bunch
of questions that you answer that
determine whether you are an alcoholic or
not. Just because you answer yes to one
or two, doesn't necessarily mean you are
screwed and doomed to be an alkie for
life.
I think for you the worst thing is you
can't handle your booze. I don't mean to
be mean when I say that. If when you
drink you are beating the tar of this guy
you say you love, you shouldn't drink.
How long would you put up with being the
target of someone's anger every time they
get loaded? It isn't ok if he touches you
either. But if he's defending himself, he
certainly has the right to do that.
Maybe you and he shouldn't drink
together.
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shadowalker164
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 175 Location: Tampa, FL
Posted: 03-20-07 13:24pm
Mommy, not to hijack Nirvana’s thread,
but if someone is an “Alkie” they are
an alkie for life. That is just a straight
up fact. And a fact accepted by everybody,
well…. Everyone except alkie’s that
still want to rationalize their drinking.
Point two, Nirvana’s boyfriend isn’t
drinking, and really unpleasant things
are still happening to her! It isn’t a
question of their drinking together.
According to Nirvana’s story, her
drinking has always been punctuated with
behavior like kicking her boyfriend out.
“If when you drink you are beating the
tar of this guy you say you love, you
shouldn't drink.” The great advice we
just can’t take.
You don’t do her any favors sugar
coating what is going on in her life. It
isn’t about who she drinks with, or what
she drinks, or how often she drinks. It
runs a lot closer to her core than that.
The basic premise of Alcoholics Anonymous
is we suffer from a spiritual disease, and
that spiritual disease is treated with a
spiritual remedy. Good advice, like
don’t drink is of little or no use for
someone who has lost the power of choice
over if they drink or not.
But this power greater than ourselves,
read a spiritual remedy is of much use to
us alkie’s.
Richard
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Makoto
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 276 Location: Japan
Posted: 03-21-07 05:57am
You are an alcoholic for life??? That is
the one main problem of AA. A person sober
for 20 years still thinks he is an
alcoholic.
You would think after 20 years you would
not be addicted to alcohol, or after 20
years you would not need alcohol. "20
years sober" my god what a way to live.
Counting the days you have been sober. Why
count?? What are you waiting for. Usually
you count to an ends. What are you
counting for, you are going to live your
whole life thinking you are an alcoholic.
Listen, if you need alcohol to have fun,
you are an alcoholic. Plain and simple. If
you can not enjoy life naturally, and need
alcohol to enjoy a wedding ,party, dance,
etc, you are dependent on alcohol.
All you have to do is change your mindset.
Find the various ways you use alcohol as a
crutch and get rid of them. Once you are
able to that, and no longer dependent on
alcohol to enjoy life, you are no longer
an alcoholic and no longer need to count
days or years of sobriety.
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Magical Logic
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 2248
Posted: 03-21-07 07:58am
i do believe once your an alcoholic you
are for life. one slip up let it be 10 or
20 years could send you right back to
where you started again.
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shadowalker164
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 175 Location: Tampa, FL
Posted: 03-21-07 08:52am
Makoto…
You’re right. If one can not enjoy life
without augmenting it with alcohol, they
have a problem. I know that is true from
my own experience.
I haven’t found it necessary to pick up
that first in a endless string of drinks
in a long time. And I do make note of how
long it has been. It pleases me to do so.
I also know that I am just one drink away
from my old hopeless life. And I will be
just one drink away for the rest of my
life. The cruel truth is most alcoholics
don’t believe that. They like you
figure, I haven’t had a drink in a long
time, I can surely have a couple of drinks
now.
I have a friend, who had been sober for
years when I first came into AA, who did
just that. He got into some trouble and
decided he would drink at the problem. I
take an AA meeting into a local detox
every week and I ran into him there last
week.
He looked like death warmed over. Makoto,
if what you say is true, after x number of
years one is no longer an alcoholic, why
is he drinking himself to death right
now?
My friend, like I said before, once an
alcoholic, always an alcoholic. Maybe
where we are missing each other is I
don’t fight against that next drink year
after year, no one can. The obsession has
been lifted some time ago, I go to
weddings, parties, picnics and I have a
fun time without getting loaded, I have
done so for years, but I don’t forget
who I am.
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samantha_07
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 3
Posted: 04-03-07 04:29am
It takes a lot of will power and
motivation to stay sober for life.
_________________________
samantha_07
Alcohol
Intervention --Know more about alcohol
intervention options
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Makoto
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 276 Location: Japan
Posted: 04-03-07 05:49am
Because all those years of AA did not do
anything to change his thinking.
Not only that, AA's way of doing things
make a person feel like a failure if they
slip up. Counting years is like waiting
for some big even going to happen.
No, if you want to give up drinking you
start out with the frame of mind I am a
non-drinker and I do not need alcohol to
help me in life. I can do fine with out
it. There and from that point on you are a
non-drinker. You never have to fear the
idea of being addicted to alcohol again.
All you have to do is change your thinking
towards alcohol.
AA just because you are always thinking "I
am one drink away from being a drunk." I
am an alcoholic but I have been sober of
20 years. If after 20 years one is still
living in fear of alcohol, then it is not
alcohol that is the problem. It is the
mindset of the individual. You would think
after 20 years a person has learned to
have fun and enjoy life fully and honestly
with out alcohol. Yet if some one is
thinking "I am an alcoholic" they have not
begun to move on.
Alcohol is like most other substance
addictions. Once you realize that most of
it is mental, and that your thinking about
it is wrong(and so is everyone else's even
those so called "non-alcoholics". If you
think about it, if you can not have a good
time with out alcohol you are dependent on
it. Just to varying degree that is all). I
feel that AA is looking at things wrong.
You live in fear of doing something you
will regret doing. If you live like that,
it is only a matter of time before you
slip up.
Do not be afraid of failing, just remember
that it is your thinking that is wrong. 20
years sober is the wrong mentality. I gave
up drinking and enjoy my life fully, is a
much better way to be thinking. IMO.
I would much rather live in total
confindence and security, not run and hide
and be afraid of a problem. If you have
total confindence you do not need to avoid
places where drinking will take
place(although you will realize how boring
such places really are). If you are
avoiding, you are actually saying you are
not over your fears or dependency.
I could go on.
Just get Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop
Drinking, you can get it on the net second
hand, or at book stores. Read that book
and see what happens.
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redjohn
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 28 Location: Fl.
Alcoholism Posted: 04-16-07 21:06pm
Alcoholism is the only disease which tells
us that we have no problem. Alcoholism is
not a matter of morals, but rather in
large part an alergy.(look up the word
alergy) If a person is for instance
alergic to strawberries they will always
suffer from this alergy. Same with
alcohol. As a long time alcoholic I have
experienced long time sobriety. Even after
all that time I found that when I did
drink the results were the same or worse.
One question that I had to honestly ask
myself was if I had ever drank against my
will. When waking in the morning did I
decide not to drink that day only to drink
anyway. It's not the frequency or amount I
drank, but rather the outcome. Only you
can say whether or not you are alcoholic.
At any rate it's nothing to fear. If you
are alcoholic the disease can be arrested,
though never cured you can have a
productive and happy life. Pick up the
book,"Alcoholics Anonymous" at Barns And
Noble I believe or they can order it for
you. It can answer many questions. God
bless you and good luck. RJ.
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Shady41
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Jun 2007 Posts: 28 Location: midwest
Posted: 06-14-07 15:36pm
You may not be physically dependent on
alchohol, but as to your question of
whether or not you are an alchoholic, I
believe you are definitely well on your
way to being one, so essentially, yes, you
already are one. Please stop drinking.
Believe me, I can relate; I am one too.