Absolutely ridiculous, there is plenty of
physical evidence to support why
schizophrenia happens and what causes it.
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BigDaddyPrimetime
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Posted: 03-12-07 21:18pm
Now that theory makes a thousand times
more sense than any of the futile
psychiatric explanations.
Im not just saying this because my
intuition told me from the start before id
ever read anything about this that this
was indeed a malicious spirit I was
dealing with which wants me to believe hes
not alone by saying "We" all the time but
I only percieve one spirit no more. It
after a mild head trauma and staying up a
long time on speed that it started
happening and the things this voice says
to me would really back up that theory.
A few weeks ago the voice shouted "We are
taking over" as if in some desperate
attempt to gain control over me and I just
replied "I run the show here" and the
voice seemed powerless to come up with a
comeback. The voice also kept saying
"We're haunting you" but the whole time I
never percieve anyone else. The voice
sounds like a young man with a Canadian
accent. Im Irish but im living in Canada.
The voice has a different accent to me.
The voice also claimed to be lucifer and
other people but I dont understand why it
keeps talking in a Canadian accent.
Honestly the least scary accent it could
put on. If it had some old English accent
I might have a chance of scaring me.
If this is the case then Im really glad I
found out because now I know im dealing
with some petty little deceased spirit
that cant even leave the earth plain.
Theres absolutely nothing this voice can
do to harm me or influence me and if its
still around when I die myself I'll be on
the same playing field and then I'll be
the one doing the haunting. This petty
little spirit will realize it messed with
the wrong spirit. I dont mind extended my
stay a little while here in exchange for
teaching this malicious health questions a
lesson. Actually thats retarded what I
just said in reality I dont have time to
waste with negative entities. When I die
I'll just float off to the next level
while that malicious entity will still be
stuck here. Personally if i'll be anything
when im deceased it will be neutral or
benevolent.
In fact reading that article I think that
could easily be the case. If it is then
lets all stop trying to explain it with
this psychiatric caca and lets deal with
it spiritually. In my case what rendered
my useless in countering it was the fact I
didnt know if it was my own mind or a
spirit i was dealing with so I didnt act.
If it was my own mind I would only be
weakening myself by fighting it. If it
really is an entity trying to take over my
body then its like a malicious person
invading my home. I have every right to
beat then kinds of caca out of this person
and throw them out the window.
Id rather not harm anyone or anything
whether they have a malevolent disposition
towards me or not so my first response
would be to kindly ask the spirit to
leave. Im willing to forgive and forget. A
robber comes into my house and I catch him
I'll say get the hell out of here and I'll
forgive and forget. No need to call the
police. If he wont leave and comes at me
with a knife well I'll pick up a knife of
my own and fight back.
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If you actually believe what you're saying
there you're either experiencing a
psychotic break or you truly are
schizophrenic. At first you sounded
fairly calm about it but it seems you
really, truly believe what you're saying.
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BigDaddyPrimetime
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Posted: 03-12-07 21:49pm
Im just considering the possibilities.
After all we're only humans and thinking
that we know everything about the universe
we occupy is ludicrous. Fish in the ocean
cannot percieve the birds flying in the
sky. That doesnt make the birds any less
real.
If you experienced the same things I did
youd realize why this theory makes so much
sense to me. If theres any truth to this
then its obvious the only times this
entity can get to me is when I smoke
weed.
Also by your reasoning your stating that
anybody that believes that paranormal and
occult things which escape ordinary
perception exist are schizophrenic. People
who claim to have seen ghosts are they
schizophrenic? What about whole groups of
people who all claim to have seen the
ghost at the same time? Is that some sort
of collective schizophrenic episode?
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BigDaddyPrimetime
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Posted: 03-12-07 22:08pm
Shamans from indigenous cultures are
almost always considered schizophrenic by
western psychiatrists. Psychiatrists feel
comfortable in putting the experiences
they describe down to hallucinations and
delusions.
Now I cant argue that alot of these
shamans could possibly be delusional and
experience nothing more than
hallucinations but what about the cases
when a shaman diagnoses a person by
entering an altered state of
consciousness. Is the shaman just
hallucinating and by some fluke of nature
he guesses the patients illness. Yeah
thats a "rational" explanation. What about
when the shaman even heals the person
without giving the patient any drugs or
medicine but "himself" taking the
medicine. Another bizarre fluke of nature
or maybe a placebo effect on the part of
the patient.
Now heres where all rationality breaks
down. What about when whole tribes of
people hallucinate the same things and
actually acquire working physical
knowledge through their hallucinations.
Overactive imaginations you might say.
Explain to me why some isolated indigenous
cultures in the jungle who have vast
knowledge of plants and medicines which
the western world are constantly learning
and developing new pharmaceuticals based
on these "primitive" peoples knowledge.
Explain to me why is it that they claim
they acquired this knowledge directly
through their visions whilst under the
influence of a plant. I suppose thats just
another bizarre coincidence. Their
overactive imaginations must have just
guessed that these plants could be used
for certain things and it turned out to be
true.
I suppose the ancient drawings and
depictions of the DNA double helix which
date thousands of years to ancient Maya is
just another bizarre coincidence. They
just happened to guess that all organic
life is built upon genetic codes which
resemble twisted rope ladders.
The worlds full of wild coincidences isnt
it.
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What are you even talking about. Sure,
there are instances when shamans perform
what seem to be miracles or cure people,
but at the same time there are just as
many, if not more, instances where what
they say means nothing and causes people
to get hurt. Misinterpretations of
physical phenomena have led to things like
the formation of the vampire myth in
Eastern Europe and even the 'alien' myth
in America as we see it. Some fish do
perceive birds, that's why sharks will
jump up and eat them. Besides, you're
talking about perception in terms of human
beings, which you can't apply to other
things and that is a question of
philosophy anyway, not schizophrenia. I
am actually very, very big on the occult
and know more about it then you'd probably
think. Because of my experiences with it
and things I've seen, heard and read, I
know to approach everything dealing with
it with extreme caution. There are maybe
two cases of paranormal activity that
people uncategorically consider to be
true, one of them the famous Chimney
photograph. Believing in ghosts is one
thing, but you're now applying them to
physical symptoms you're experiencing,
like any schizophrenic. I've heard it all
from Jesus, to aliens, to robots, to
ghosts and so forth. So you're saying
because I talked to a schizophrenic who
believed he was part of a race of robots
from Venus that he somehow tapped into
another world where there are robots
living on venus? Typically,
schizophrenics will not say things like
this and be so creative, or in this case
ridiculous, usually they attach to one of
three things; religion (in various forms),
the government or ghosts. You chose the
latter. Whole groups of people who
claimed to see ghosts? Show me a case,
there is not a single group experience
that has any sort of evidence to show
anything other than something happened and
people agree on it, but people agree on a
lot of things in groups and are usually
incorrect. Remember the War of the Worlds
radio broadcast? There are also instances
of people having group beliefs surrounding
religion and the paranormal that always
equal one thing, hysteria. There was a
case of this, I forget where, where
someone on the radio or perhaps television
said something about how everyone seems to
have cracked windows on their cars and
that perhaps someone was breaking them (I
forget how it exactly went). At any rate,
suddenly people were returning their cars
with 'cracked windshields' but none of
them had anything wrong with them and
generally all of them were 'stable'
people. Perhaps shaman's tap into a
higher state of thinking or reality, who
knows, but they're often incorrect and
yes, placebo effect plays a huge part.
When people aren't sure of what's wrong
with them, anything that makes it seem to
have a face helps. People with cancer who
don't know they have it and experience a
number of terrible symptoms always say
that when they first find out they have
cancer they're relieved, not upset, simply
because now they know what it is.
Uncertainty, chaos, is the worst fear for
humanity and illness that's unexplained
and death are the most powerful
manifestations of it. And these tribal
societies didn't learn of herbal remedies
and plants through altered states of
consciousness. These tribes you speak of,
such as the bantu perhaps, have been
living the same way they do today as they
did about 20,000 years ago, it's simply a
case of learning over time what works and
what doesn't and the knowledge they have
now as been passed down for ages, that's
all that is so no mystery there. They
don't just come up with this stuff out of
the blue. What are you talking about the
Maya? I also happen to know a lot about
pre-Columbian art and there is no single
depiction of a DNA helix in Mayan art.
What there is is something that looks like
a double helix that we interpret as a
double helix, but the Mayan have nothing
in their art anywhere that shows anything
about biology. The design you talk about
is the same natural way of depicting the
world that pretty much every pre-Columbian
culture used. The images they used were
abstract representations of natural
phenomena, that's how pre-Columbians
depicted their world. They started out
abstract and moved to realistic, unlike
many other cultures in the world. Stop
reading online drivel about stuff like
this, it will only make things worse for
you.
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BigDaddyPrimetime
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Posted: 03-12-07 23:12pm
Yeah your right Stan. I got a bit carried
away there and blew things out of
proportion. I was making it out that all
hallucinations are actually real were just
naively dismissing them as tricks of the
mind. Thats way off. Although there
definately are metaphysical aspects of
this universe which are there whether we
percieve it or not (electricity being one
of them) there are also delusions and
tricks of the mind. Somethings Ive
percieved while delusion Ive proven that
they were false through experimentation
but if I hadnt done those experiments id
still be in the same situation not knowing
if they were real or illusory.
My problem is I cant dismiss anything
until I know for sure which is why I dont
believe or disbelieve in things like
ghosts, demons, extraterrestrials etc.
Ive never messed around with the occult
and am reluctant to do so until im older
and nearing the end of my life because I
know the implications it could have on my
life messing around with it now. Its
unpredictable from what I hear like
playing with matches and a can of fire.
You could use the fire to cook your food
but you might accidentally spill the
petrol all over yourself and set yourself
ablaze.
I read a study that links the belief in
paranormal with potentiality for
schizophrenia. It also showed people who
believed in the paranormal in alot of
cases had increased dopamine levels in
their brains. Your robots on venus example
was a good one. You have to believe in
these things in the first place
consciously or subconsciously for them to
manifest as hallucinations. When people
say "your thoughts create your reality"
theyre not lying.
As for the knowledge on plants acquired by
indigenous peoples neither you or I can
say where they did or didnt acquire the
knowledge. We were not there. All I know
is these people claim to acquire this
knowledge from their visions while under
the effects of Ayahuasca. Although alot of
these shamans might be just plain old
delusional we cant dismiss the ones that
give us solid proof of divination (as in
diagnosing someone by alternative means)
as being delusions. Its kind of similar to
that girl in Russia who could diagnose
people by concentrating on them in her
mind. She didnt know medical jargon or the
names of the diseases but she pinpointed
exactly where they were and what they
looked like on a microscopic level. I saw
that on a documentary and they did
experiements and she turned out to be
accurate 90% of the time.
Thats a crazy one about robots on planet
venus, Did you know this person well or
talked to him/her about their symptoms?
As for the double helix look it up. Its a
reoccuring theme in Ayahuasca visions.
They almost always interpret it as a
twisted rope ladder, or two entwined
snakes but the correlations between them
and DNA interesting at the very least.
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I know what you're talking about. I will
say this, there are many, many things we
don't understand about the brain, which is
sad because at the current level we're
moving along in terms of technology we
really need to figure things out because
we're functioning on essentially the same
brains we have been for the past perhaps
1000 years if not longer. We learn more,
but their essential functions do not
change. About what you said. I must say
there are instances where people have
tapped into something, what this something
is is a mystery. Here's an excellent
example of that that I'm sure you'll
enjoy. These are series of paintings by
Louis Wain, who was known for painting
cats. Supposedly these are from later in
his life, when he was starting to become
more and more out of touch with reality
(late-onset schizophrenia), but here's the
cool thing. Okay, check out this series:
Now check this out. This isn't the best
example, but it's good enough. This is a
piece of art created using math, called a
fractal. Notice any similarities? You
can look around more to find better
examples and closer pictures that the cats
I gave you there, the detail isn't the
best, but the thing is that somehow Wain's
mind was able to create fractal art,
tapping into some higher form of math he
wasn't even aware of and which I believe
was just in its infancy at that time, if
it even existed at all (I'm thinking it
didn't even really start to pick up until
the 1970s). Interesting, no?
One of the things about schizophrenia, and
why I said before that they don't know
anything is wrong, is that their sense of
reality is distorted. You have a part of
your brain that you're not even aware of,
it basically is there so you can function
socially, follow rules and so forth. You
don't need to think 'this is my hand' when
you look at it, or 'my hair is brown and
this is my hair' because if we had to do
that we'd spend all day sitting around.
This part of the brain assumes these
things, it assumes what the world is
around it, and can be taught what the
world is or at least convinced of certain
things. When this part because skewed,
anything can happen. I've read stories
about schizophrenics who look outside and
suddenly realize the earth is a giant
aligator rolled up in a ball. They look
outside and see scales and pulsating skin,
just like the guy who I mentioned would
look in mirrors and see robot eyes. You
could show him x-rays of his bones and
he'd say something like 'sorry human my
inner structure sends out false images so
you cannot truly know of my superior level
of technology' or something. The
interesting thing about him was he spoke
in rhyme, and I mean good rhymes on
the fly so interesting the best of poets
may not be able to even conceive of it, at
least not at the speed that he did
sometimes. So there's something there and
sometimes, not all the time, sometimes
schizophrenics seem to tap into it. But
what it is we haven't the slightest clue
yet, unfortunately. The occut can
understandbly be frightening to think
about, but if you want to learn about it
the best way is to first read the history
of certain secret societies and groups and
people, see what they did and the trickery
they performed, and then look at it again
from the perspective of someone who is
interested in learning if there's any
truth in it. That's the route I always
take in such things, look at the facts and
then take a subjective jump into the
abyss. Research the Golden Dawn,
Theosophists or something like that, it's
actually quite interesting.
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swrun
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Posted: 04-06-07 06:21am
BigDaddy, you may well be on the right
track in understanding your disease,
especially when you have been able to
differentiate between you and the out of
body entity that tried to take over your
body. Trust your intuition. Every problem
really has a simple explanation and
solution if we look for it. Another word
of advice is for you to look into your
diet and lifestyle. Healthier diet, the
avoidance of stress and a cheerful outlook
will soon strengthen your spirit, making
it impossible after a while for any
encroachment.
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BigDaddyPrimetime
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Posted: 04-11-07 14:01pm
swrun I was going through all these
irrational and metaphysical explanations
for why I was hearing voices but im coming
to the realization that its just my bodies
way of lashing out at me for mistreating
it. The reason I think that is because its
only when I abuse meth and spend days not
sleeping and not eating that I start
hearing the voices. Usually I hear faint
whispers for days even weeks after a meth
binge. Now that Ive started taking Omega 3
pills, drinking loads of orange juice,
eating fruit and vegetables and taking
multi vitamines the symptoms completely
disappear days after the binge.
Moral of the story speed is toxic caca and
could very well be the most damaging and
lethal drug known to man.
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Sounds like your source of difficulty is
metabolic, which makes sense out of the
eating thing. I strongly recommend
getting a good Vitamin C tablet and take
about 1g per day. That should make things
even better.
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Posted: 04-12-07 19:10pm
Ahh hello violet ones....
I shall throw in my 2 cents and flip a
coin...
Can Schizophrenia be some kind of weakness
in the psychic sheild as we humans keep to
work within the mundane life, in which
stress and mistreatment of the human cause
these shields to break down?
Or could schizophrenia all be the fake
vain imaginings that haunt the human
mind........
As for the occult dabblelers, as you
percive that which is unknown so shall you
experiance...... as for drug users, when
you ram open a door, expect somthing to
come through...
as for those with bizzare imaginations,
know that when you turn your moon into
your sun, you will bound to reliase
subconsious preassure....
which i would reccomend to leave your
dreams dreams and let your reality be that
which you investigate...... to be truth.
I too read mystic philosophy and
investiagate aspects of the occult which i
can comprehend such as the kaballah,
chakras, kundalini, gi gong...
I had three experiances in my life time,
which doctors are trying to diagnoise as
schizophrenia, i read my reports and
relize that my dreaming self is trying too
hard.... and my spirit is attracting a
better light... if there was a forum which
we can talk about experiances i will be
glad to talk about it.... thus to make
people distinguish what was in their head,
if it made any true sense, and the fact
what others go through....
as i walk the path of mystic seeking, i
bound to experiance that which is
beautiful, where yogics pray to
experiance, as many pray not to
experiance..... the conclusion wil always
be relative.....
Is there such thing as earth bound
spirits? I read about them, and it could
be.... can people think they are robots?
subconciously. they could be....
all depends how you are able to percive
the multiple realities which consist the
earth, the universe and the many different
perceptions of being the observer.....
that gift which god granted us...
but becoming the ultimate observer, is
that which bring true enlightenment.
Well that was my 2 cence, as for the other
coin landing heads or tales, is up to
you....
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I think the coin has landed on its side
man, what are you babbling about? Thank
you for enlightening us on the powers of
the mind on a message board.
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V1RU5
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Posted: 04-12-07 19:59pm
hello stan
what do you do for a living?
have you worked with people who have
schizophrenia?
I think i heard you say something that you
work with them....
what are your experiances with people who
have attacks.....
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I'm currently pursuing my PhD, but I used
to work with schizophrenics, as well as
many other people with different mental
illnesses, about 3 years ago or so. My
experiences always tended to be extreme
because I'd generally be called in when
they were at their worst and needed
treatment. I've seen robot people, saw
this one guy who saw everything as a
cartoon, talked to a woman in her 90s who
seemed totally normal until she started
yelling at a large man with a smile going
to his ears standing crouched under the
ceiling and a little version running under
her bed and so on and so forth. Also,
they are generally all the same, the big
one is religion or the government. FBI
chasing after them or using x-rays to
infect their minds and so forth.
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V1RU5
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Posted: 04-12-07 20:09pm
Intresting....
what are the sections of the mind being
imbalanced which brings forth
schizophernia?
Have you heard of a man named Carl Jung,
he has worked with many people with
schizopernia and brought up a very
intresting conclusion...
what are your ideas on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w
iki/Carl_Jung
Ever heard of holistic counseling? always
an intrest to see what is on the
otherside, even though it can be regarded
as useless...
hear from you soon...
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The general view is that it has to do with
a few things, one of which is levels of
dopamine as well as lower levels of grey
matter. However, in my opinion, these are
merely symptoms. Also, the ventricles
tend to be larger in some cases, though
not all and I've also heard that the
frontal lobes function to a lesser degree.
However, again, these in my opinion are
merely symptoms. Brain scans and such
have been done, but my opinion is that all
of these problems, including many other
mental illnesses are due to poor diet.
Never have I seen someone with a mental
illness that ate properly, they usually
eat pizza, drink a lot of coffee and so
forth. Rarely are they actually healthy.
If you look at the history of the illness
and the history of our eating habits,
there is a clear correlation that we're
not doing something right. No one seems
to care though, everyone just wants to
take pills. We even have pills for
restless legs now, even though it's been
proven it's simply a nutrient imbalance
that is easily corrected. Why do we need
the pill then? I really like Jung, much
more than Freud, who I think is a person.
I don't agree with his theory and don't
believe in the unconscious, it's just
something he made up, and I find Jung's
theories much closer to what's going on,
though I can't say I'm familiar with his
research on schizophrenics. I personally
think holistic is what everyone should be
doing. After my experiences with my sugar
disorder, I am very distrustful of doctors
and believe that everyone should first
adjust to eat a healthy diet and take
natural remedies before ever settling on
any diagnosis and taking any sort of
medication. Almost every possible disease
should be ruled out.
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BigDaddyPrimetime
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Posted: 04-13-07 12:48pm
V1Rus it could easily be a weakness in
ones psychic shields that causes these
things to happen. Last weekend a voice was
trying to convince me that I was under
psychic attack and thats why I was
smelling burning plastic everywhere. Maybe
staying up days on speed makes me drop my
psychic shield. Also the voice was
explaining how it worked and it said "you
wear yourself down by not getting any
sleep and we fill your head full of poison
(referring to the porn I was looking up at
the end of the second night without sleep)
and when you make our move your
unprotected and defenseless.
The weekend before that I had smoked a bit
of weed but I hadnt stayed up more than 48
hours yet and the voices were feeble. Id
shout at and torment the voices in my mind
to the point were they couldnt even speak
clearly anymore theyd just come out with
vague, muttered sentences that I could
hardly even hear let alone decipher. Id
ask them questions they couldnt answer and
set traps for them. The whole time they
kept saying "How dare he" and weird caca
like that.
As for drug users ramming open the door
and something coming through. Whatever
came through my door was sinister and
malicious but strangely enough it has been
the best mental teacher ive ever had. Ive
learned mass amounts of lessons from
dealing with these voices and my minds 10
times stronger as a consequence.
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BigDaddyPrimetime
wrote:
swrun I was going through
all these irrational and metaphysical
explanations for why I was hearing voices
but im coming to the realization that its
just my bodies way of lashing out at me
for mistreating it. The reason I think
that is because its only when I abuse meth
and spend days not sleeping and not eating
that I start hearing the voices. Usually I
hear faint whispers for days even weeks
after a meth binge. Now that Ive started
taking Omega 3 pills, drinking loads of
orange juice, eating fruit and vegetables
and taking multi vitamines the symptoms
completely disappear days after the binge.
Moral of the story speed is toxic
bullhealth question and could very well be
the most damaging and lethal drug known to
man.
BigDaddyPrimetime glad to hear your
symptoms improve after rest and a good
balanced diet. That is definitely the way
to go as drug abuse breaks down one's
defence mechanisms and if you have found a
way to keep these defences up then that's
great. Cheers
