Do You Think This Is True? (Page 1)

Absolutely ridiculous, there is plenty of physical evidence to support why schizophrenia happens and what causes it.

Now that theory makes a thousand times more sense than any of the futile psychiatric explanations.

Im not just saying this because my intuition told me from the start before id ever read anything about this that this was indeed a malicious spirit I was dealing with which wants me to believe hes not alone by saying "We" all the time but I only percieve one spirit no more. It after a mild head trauma and staying up a long time on speed that it started happening and the things this voice says to me would really back up that theory.

A few weeks ago the voice shouted "We are taking over" as if in some desperate attempt to gain control over me and I just replied "I run the show here" and the voice seemed powerless to come up with a comeback. The voice also kept saying "We're haunting you" but the whole time I never percieve anyone else. The voice sounds like a young man with a Canadian accent. Im Irish but im living in Canada. The voice has a different accent to me. The voice also claimed to be lucifer and other people but I dont understand why it keeps talking in a Canadian accent. Honestly the least scary accent it could put on. If it had some old English accent I might have a chance of scaring me.

If this is the case then Im !**@! glad I found out because now I know im dealing with some petty little deceased spirit that cant even leave the earth plain. Theres absolutely nothing this voice can do to harm me or influence me and if its still around when I die myself I'll be on the same playing field and then I'll be the one doing the haunting. This petty little spirit will realize it messed with the wrong spirit. I dont mind extended my stay a little while here in exchange for teaching this malicious !**@! a lesson. Actually thats retarded what I just said in reality I dont have time to waste with negative entities. When I die I'll just float off to the next level while that malicious entity will still be stuck here. Personally if i'll be anything when im deceased it will be neutral or benevolent.

In fact reading that article I think that could easily be the case. If it is then lets all stop trying to explain it with this psychiatric !**@! and lets deal with it spiritually. In my case what rendered my useless in countering it was the fact I didnt know if it was my own mind or a spirit i was dealing with so I didnt act. If it was my own mind I would only be weakening myself by fighting it. If it really is an entity trying to take over my body then its like a malicious person invading my home. I have every right to beat then kinds of !**@! out of this person and throw them out the window.

Id rather not harm anyone or anything whether they have a malevolent disposition towards me or not so my first response would be to kindly ask the spirit to leave. Im willing to forgive and forget. A robber comes into my house and I catch him I'll say get the hell out of here and I'll forgive and forget. No need to call the police. If he wont leave and comes at me with a knife well I'll pick up a knife of my own and fight back.

If you actually believe what you're saying there you're either experiencing a psychotic break or you truly are schizophrenic. At first you sounded fairly calm about it but it seems you really, truly believe what you're saying.

Im just considering the possibilities. After all we're only humans and thinking that we know everything about the universe we occupy is ludicrous. Fish in the ocean cannot percieve the birds flying in the sky. That doesnt make the birds any less real.

If you experienced the same things I did youd realize why this theory makes so much sense to me. If theres any truth to this then its obvious the only times this entity can get to me is when I smoke weed.

Also by your reasoning your stating that anybody that believes that paranormal and occult things which escape ordinary perception exist are schizophrenic. People who claim to have seen ghosts are they schizophrenic? What about whole groups of people who all claim to have seen the ghost at the same time? Is that some sort of collective schizophrenic episode?

Shamans from indigenous cultures are almost always considered schizophrenic by western psychiatrists. Psychiatrists feel comfortable in putting the experiences they describe down to hallucinations and delusions.

Now I cant argue that alot of these shamans could possibly be delusional and experience nothing more than hallucinations but what about the cases when a shaman diagnoses a person by entering an altered state of consciousness. Is the shaman just hallucinating and by some fluke of nature he guesses the patients illness. Yeah thats a "rational" explanation. What about when the shaman even heals the person without giving the patient any drugs or medicine but "himself" taking the medicine. Another bizarre fluke of nature or maybe a placebo effect on the part of the patient.

Now heres where all rationality breaks down. What about when whole tribes of people hallucinate the same things and actually acquire working physical knowledge through their hallucinations. Overactive imaginations you might say. Explain to me why some isolated indigenous cultures in the jungle who have vast knowledge of plants and medicines which the western world are constantly learning and developing new pharmaceuticals based on these "primitive" peoples knowledge. Explain to me why is it that they claim they acquired this knowledge directly through their visions whilst under the influence of a plant. I suppose thats just another bizarre coincidence. Their overactive imaginations must have just guessed that these plants could be used for certain things and it turned out to be true.

I suppose the ancient drawings and depictions of the DNA double helix which date thousands of years to ancient Maya is just another bizarre coincidence. They just happened to guess that all organic life is built upon genetic codes which resemble twisted rope ladders.

The worlds full of wild coincidences isnt it.

What are you even talking about. Sure, there are instances when shamans perform what seem to be miracles or cure people, but at the same time there are just as many, if not more, instances where what they say means nothing and causes people to get hurt. Misinterpretations of physical phenomena have led to things like the formation of the vampire myth in Eastern Europe and even the 'alien' myth in America as we see it. Some fish do perceive birds, that's why sharks will jump up and eat them. Besides, you're talking about perception in terms of human beings, which you can't apply to other things and that is a question of philosophy anyway, not schizophrenia. I am actually very, very big on the occult and know more about it then you'd probably think. Because of my experiences with it and things I've seen, heard and read, I know to approach everything dealing with it with extreme caution. There are maybe two cases of paranormal activity that people uncategorically consider to be true, one of them the famous Chimney photograph. Believing in ghosts is one thing, but you're now applying them to physical symptoms you're experiencing, like any schizophrenic. I've heard it all from Jesus, to aliens, to robots, to ghosts and so forth. So you're saying because I talked to a schizophrenic who believed he was part of a race of robots from Venus that he somehow tapped into another world where there are robots living on venus? Typically, schizophrenics will not say things like this and be so creative, or in this case ridiculous, usually they attach to one of three things; religion (in various forms), the government or ghosts. You chose the latter. Whole groups of people who claimed to see ghosts? Show me a case, there is not a single group experience that has any sort of evidence to show anything other than something happened and people agree on it, but people agree on a lot of things in groups and are usually incorrect. Remember the War of the Worlds radio broadcast? There are also instances of people having group beliefs surrounding religion and the paranormal that always equal one thing, hysteria. There was a case of this, I forget where, where someone on the radio or perhaps television said something about how everyone seems to have cracked windows on their cars and that perhaps someone was breaking them (I forget how it exactly went). At any rate, suddenly people were returning their cars with 'cracked windshields' but none of them had anything wrong with them and generally all of them were 'stable' people. Perhaps shaman's tap into a higher state of thinking or reality, who knows, but they're often incorrect and yes, placebo effect plays a huge part. When people aren't sure of what's wrong with them, anything that makes it seem to have a face helps. People with cancer who don't know they have it and experience a number of terrible symptoms always say that when they first find out they have cancer they're relieved, not upset, simply because now they know what it is. Uncertainty, chaos, is the worst fear for humanity and illness that's unexplained and death are the most powerful manifestations of it. And these tribal societies didn't learn of herbal remedies and plants through altered states of consciousness. These tribes you speak of, such as the bantu perhaps, have been living the same way they do today as they did about 20,000 years ago, it's simply a case of learning over time what works and what doesn't and the knowledge they have now as been passed down for ages, that's all that is so no mystery there. They don't just come up with this stuff out of the blue. What are you talking about the Maya? I also happen to know a lot about pre-Columbian art and there is no single depiction of a DNA helix in Mayan art. What there is is something that looks like a double helix that we interpret as a double helix, but the Mayan have nothing in their art anywhere that shows anything about biology. The design you talk about is the same natural way of depicting the world that pretty much every pre-Columbian culture used. The images they used were abstract representations of natural phenomena, that's how pre-Columbians depicted their world. They started out abstract and moved to realistic, unlike many other cultures in the world. Stop reading online drivel about stuff like this, it will only make things worse for you.

Yeah your right Stan. I got a bit carried away there and blew things out of proportion. I was making it out that all hallucinations are actually real were just naively dismissing them as tricks of the mind. Thats way off. Although there definately are metaphysical aspects of this universe which are there whether we percieve it or not (electricity being one of them) there are also delusions and tricks of the mind. Somethings Ive percieved while delusion Ive proven that they were false through experimentation but if I hadnt done those experiments id still be in the same situation not knowing if they were real or illusory.

My problem is I cant dismiss anything until I know for sure which is why I dont believe or disbelieve in things like ghosts, demons, extraterrestrials etc.

Ive never !**@! around with the occult and am reluctant to do so until im older and nearing the end of my life because I know the implications it could have on my life messing around with it now. Its unpredictable from what I hear like playing with matches and a can of fire. You could use the fire to cook your food but you might accidentally spill the petrol all over yourself and set yourself ablaze.

I read a study that links the belief in paranormal with potentiality for schizophrenia. It also showed people who believed in the paranormal in alot of cases had increased dopamine levels in their brains. Your robots on venus example was a good one. You have to believe in these things in the first place consciously or subconsciously for them to manifest as hallucinations. When people say "your thoughts create your reality" theyre not lying.

As for the knowledge on plants acquired by indigenous peoples neither you or I can say where they did or didnt acquire the knowledge. We were not there. All I know is these people claim to acquire this knowledge from their visions while under the effects of Ayahuasca. Although alot of these shamans might be just plain old delusional we cant dismiss the ones that give us solid proof of divination (as in diagnosing someone by alternative means) as being delusions. Its kind of similar to that girl in Russia who could diagnose people by concentrating on them in her mind. She didnt know medical jargon or the names of the diseases but she pinpointed exactly where they were and what they looked like on a microscopic level. I saw that on a documentary and they did experiements and she turned out to be accurate 90% of the time.

Thats a crazy one about robots on planet venus, Did you know this person well or talked to him/her about their symptoms?

As for the double helix look it up. Its a reoccuring theme in Ayahuasca visions. They almost always interpret it as a twisted rope ladder, or two entwined snakes but the correlations between them and DNA interesting at the very least.

I know what you're talking about. I will say this, there are many, many things we don't understand about the brain, which is sad because at the current level we're moving along in terms of technology we really need to figure things out because we're functioning on essentially the same brains we have been for the past perhaps 1000 years if not longer. We learn more, but their essential functions do not change. About what you said. I must say there are instances where people have tapped into something, what this something is is a mystery. Here's an excellent example of that that I'm sure you'll enjoy. These are series of paintings by Louis Wain, who was known for painting cats. Supposedly these are from later in his life, when he was starting to become more and more out of touch with reality (late-onset schizophrenia), but here's the cool thing. Okay, check out this series:

http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/gnn_image s/news_content/04_01/Clues_schizophrenia/C ats_squ.jpg

Now check this out. This isn't the best example, but it's good enough. This is a piece of art created using math, called a fractal. Notice any similarities? You can look around more to find better examples and closer pictures that the cats I gave you there, the detail isn't the best, but the thing is that somehow Wain's mind was able to create fractal art, tapping into some higher form of math he wasn't even aware of and which I believe was just in its infancy at that time, if it even existed at all (I'm thinking it didn't even really start to pick up until the 1970s). Interesting, no?

http://www.fractal-recursions.com/blog-ima ges/02200503_800.jpg

One of the things about schizophrenia, and why I said before that they don't know anything is wrong, is that their sense of reality is distorted. You have a part of your brain that you're not even aware of, it basically is there so you can function socially, follow rules and so forth. You don't need to think 'this is my hand' when you look at it, or 'my hair is brown and this is my hair' because if we had to do that we'd spend all day sitting around. This part of the brain assumes these things, it assumes what the world is around it, and can be taught what the world is or at least convinced of certain things. When this part because skewed, anything can happen. I've read stories about schizophrenics who look outside and suddenly realize the earth is a giant aligator rolled up in a ball. They look outside and see scales and pulsating skin, just like the guy who I mentioned would look in mirrors and see robot eyes. You could show him x-rays of his bones and he'd say something like 'sorry human my inner structure sends out false images so you cannot truly know of my superior level of technology' or something. The interesting thing about him was he spoke in rhyme, and I mean good rhymes on the fly so interesting the best of poets may not be able to even conceive of it, at least not at the speed that he did sometimes. So there's something there and sometimes, not all the time, sometimes schizophrenics seem to tap into it. But what it is we haven't the slightest clue yet, unfortunately. The occut can understandbly be frightening to think about, but if you want to learn about it the best way is to first read the history of certain secret societies and groups and people, see what they did and the trickery they performed, and then look at it again from the perspective of someone who is interested in learning if there's any truth in it. That's the route I always take in such things, look at the facts and then take a subjective jump into the abyss. Research the Golden Dawn, Theosophists or something like that, it's actually quite interesting.

BigDaddy, you may well be on the right track in understanding your disease, especially when you have been able to differentiate between you and the out of body entity that tried to take over your body. Trust your intuition. Every problem really has a simple explanation and solution if we look for it. Another word of advice is for you to look into your diet and lifestyle. Healthier diet, the avoidance of stress and a cheerful outlook will soon strengthen your spirit, making it impossible after a while for any encroachment.

swrun I was going through all these irrational and metaphysical explanations for why I was hearing voices but im coming to the realization that its just my bodies way of lashing out at me for mistreating it. The reason I think that is because its only when I abuse meth and spend days not sleeping and not eating that I start hearing the voices. Usually I hear faint whispers for days even weeks after a meth binge. Now that Ive started taking Omega 3 pills, drinking loads of orange juice, eating fruit and vegetables and taking multi vitamines the symptoms completely disappear days after the binge.

Moral of the story speed is toxic !**@! and could very well be the most damaging and lethal drug known to man.

Sounds like your source of difficulty is metabolic, which makes sense out of the eating thing. I strongly recommend getting a good Vitamin C tablet and take about 1g per day. That should make things even better.

Ahh hello violet ones....

I shall throw in my 2 cents and flip a coin...
Can Schizophrenia be some kind of weakness in the psychic sheild as we humans keep to work within the mundane life, in which stress and mistreatment of the human cause these shields to break down?

Or could schizophrenia all be the fake vain imaginings that haunt the human mind........

As for the occult dabblelers, as you percive that which is unknown so shall you experiance...... as for drug users, when you ram open a door, expect somthing to come through...

as for those with bizzare imaginations, know that when you turn your moon into your sun, you will bound to reliase subconsious preassure....
which i would reccomend to leave your dreams dreams and let your reality be that which you investigate...... to be truth.

I too read mystic philosophy and investiagate aspects of the occult which i can comprehend such as the kaballah, chakras, kundalini, gi gong...

I had three experiances in my life time, which doctors are trying to diagnoise as schizophrenia, i read my reports and relize that my dreaming self is trying too hard.... and my spirit is attracting a better light... if there was a forum which we can talk about experiances i will be glad to talk about it.... thus to make people distinguish what was in their head, if it made any true sense, and the fact what others go through....

as i walk the path of mystic seeking, i bound to experiance that which is beautiful, where yogics pray to experiance, as many pray not to experiance..... the conclusion wil always be relative.....

Is there such thing as earth bound spirits? I read about them, and it could be.... can people think they are robots? subconciously. they could be....
all depends how you are able to percive the multiple realities which consist the earth, the universe and the many different perceptions of being the observer..... that gift which god granted us...

but becoming the ultimate observer, is that which bring true enlightenment.

Well that was my 2 cence, as for the other coin landing heads or tales, is up to you....

I think the coin has landed on its side man, what are you babbling about? Thank you for enlightening us on the powers of the mind on a message board.

hello stan
what do you do for a living?
have you worked with people who have schizophrenia?
I think i heard you say something that you work with them....
what are your experiances with people who have attacks.....

I'm currently pursuing my PhD, but I used to work with schizophrenics, as well as many other people with different mental illnesses, about 3 years ago or so. My experiences always tended to be extreme because I'd generally be called in when they were at their worst and needed treatment. I've seen robot people, saw this one guy who saw everything as a cartoon, talked to a woman in her 90s who seemed totally normal until she started yelling at a large man with a smile going to his ears standing crouched under the ceiling and a little version running under her bed and so on and so forth. Also, they are generally all the same, the big one is religion or the government. FBI chasing after them or using x-rays to infect their minds and so forth.

Intresting....
what are the sections of the mind being imbalanced which brings forth
schizophernia?

Have you heard of a man named Carl Jung, he has worked with many people with schizopernia and brought up a very intresting conclusion...
what are your ideas on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung

Ever heard of holistic counseling? always an intrest to see what is on the otherside, even though it can be regarded as useless...

hear from you soon...

The general view is that it has to do with a few things, one of which is levels of dopamine as well as lower levels of grey matter. However, in my opinion, these are merely symptoms. Also, the ventricles tend to be larger in some cases, though not all and I've also heard that the frontal lobes function to a lesser degree. However, again, these in my opinion are merely symptoms. Brain scans and such have been done, but my opinion is that all of these problems, including many other mental illnesses are due to poor diet. Never have I seen someone with a mental illness that ate properly, they usually eat pizza, drink a lot of coffee and so forth. Rarely are they actually healthy. If you look at the history of the illness and the history of our eating habits, there is a clear correlation that we're not doing something right. No one seems to care though, everyone just wants to take pills. We even have pills for restless legs now, even though it's been proven it's simply a nutrient imbalance that is easily corrected. Why do we need the pill then? I really like Jung, much more than Freud, who I think is a person. I don't agree with his theory and don't believe in the unconscious, it's just something he made up, and I find Jung's theories much closer to what's going on, though I can't say I'm familiar with his research on schizophrenics. I personally think holistic is what everyone should be doing. After my experiences with my sugar disorder, I am very distrustful of doctors and believe that everyone should first adjust to eat a healthy diet and take natural remedies before ever settling on any diagnosis and taking any sort of medication. Almost every possible disease should be ruled out.

V1Rus it could easily be a weakness in ones psychic shields that causes these things to happen. Last weekend a voice was trying to convince me that I was under psychic attack and thats why I was smelling burning plastic everywhere. Maybe staying up days on speed makes me drop my psychic shield. Also the voice was explaining how it worked and it said "you wear yourself down by not getting any sleep and we fill your head full of poison (referring to the porn I was looking up at the end of the second night without sleep) and when you make our move your unprotected and defenseless.

The weekend before that I had smoked a bit of weed but I hadnt stayed up more than 48 hours yet and the voices were feeble. Id shout at and torment the voices in my mind to the point were they couldnt even speak clearly anymore theyd just come out with vague, muttered sentences that I could hardly even hear let alone decipher. Id ask them questions they couldnt answer and set traps for them. The whole time they kept saying "How dare he" and weird !**@! like that.

As for drug users ramming open the door and something coming through. Whatever came through my door was sinister and malicious but strangely enough it has been the best mental teacher ive ever had. Ive learned mass amounts of lessons from dealing with these voices and my minds 10 times stronger as a consequence.