the Ultimate Premature Ejaculation Discussion

wait, so question, how long do you last while masterbating? If it is purely physical you shouldn't really be able to last very long while masterbating at a constant pace....?? how long do you last?

additionally, I would like to show people this website:

http://scholar.google.com/

its a portion of google that only searches through like professional publications, no junk stuff...

prolasta is the only one of those over the counter PE drugs that has any real scientific publications and proofs showing that it works.. stuff like climinax and deferol and last longer come up with no search results.

this website can be a useful tool for reading scientific stuff regarding experiments done with these drugs!!

I can only last about 20 seconds masturbatin

dj

what we need to have happen than is obvious. We all have to try Prolasta and report back on the results....has anyone actually tried it yet during sex ?

dj

Hm, for four pills of prolasta it is $25 dollars. That means four times of having sex correct? That seems like a lot but if it works, then it is worth it I suppose.

yes you are correct $25 for having sex 4 times... however, I saw a urologist, he gave me 4 pills for free (well my $5 copay) and I feel like if I reported back to him he would give me as many as I needed for free...

I don't necessarily think we all need to try it, I mean I am going to, and report back here, and maybe 1 or 2 other people should. But it is possible that it doesn't work....
or it works for some and not for others, I have REALLY bad PE, I have never thrusted more than 2 times. so yeah.. idk we will see,however I will not be able to try it in acutal sex for at least another month

so here is an answer to those questioning the difference between taking St. John's Wort Pills and taking something like prolasta:

*********Although I sound like a supporter of prolasta, I am not, as of yet. I don't know if it works or not yet, I am just stating why taking it may help you when taking St. John's Wort Pills won't.

In prolasta there is Hyperforin extract of Hypericum perforatum (St. John's Wort). So you are directly ingesting, and putting into your blood stream, a chemical extract of St. John's Wort, where as if you were to just take the pill, yes you would consume the extract but not in NEARLY enough of a concentrated volume, and it would not be alone.

This logic applies to many other supplements, in 1 St. John's Wort pill lets say like 150 mg, there may only be 5 mg or LESS of this extract, which would not even be concentrated because it has yet to be extracted.

However, in 1 prolasta pill there appears to be over 200mg of this extract.

So yes taking St. John Wort pills may work, but you would have to take 40 at a time!!!!

does this make sense?

Take the pill already and see what happens.. enough blabbering.

Hi guys,

since last post, no improvement, but that is only because no sex! I came across a post elsewhere that put the "Ejaculation Master" ($60) up so I downloaded it and read it ... and realised that virtually everything commercial on the net is just such rubbish. My gorgeous wife said "why don't you just buy a book of the latest up-to-date medical knowledge?". So I did. Basically, without spelling mistakes and ridiculous claims it lays out a programme to identify what type of PE you have, then steps to get over it and prevent it happening again. It is such a relief to have a plan that I have confidence in!

And yes, John 414, you are right on track... for me, but also, in a way, you are all mostly on track, to varying degrees. Personally, my PE is a tiny bit hard-wired, but virtually entirely psychological. I know this because I can wank for an unlimited time, even getting a blow job I can control it for ages, yet I come before getting it in!

But John, for me, it is taking more than just relaxing my PC during the day. I still tense up and come straight away, even though I have great control over my PC in all situations except that sweaty moment. I think that you, in an inspired moment, caught this early and what you do to reduce it is perfect.

The Thing this book makes clear is that the scientists, the psychologists and the Ph.Ds in sex DO understand a lot about PE, and there is a range of causes and states to consider. You can self-diagnose and make yourself a plan for how to treat it, BUT, the 100% hard-wired type (they call it neurological) can't be treated with practice or behavioural skills so you guys need to look to drugs, anaesthetics, Stud etc. In a way, I feel that would be easier than my type (called "psychosexual skills deficit"!) where the solution is long and...well, interesting, in some ways.

The most interesting thing for me is that, for my type, I am turning myself on too much with mental imagery and physical stimulation has become, in my brain, synonymous with orgasm, like, soon. The exercises get you to stimulate yourself but avoid getting an erection! Then to stay relaxed while you become erect then lose it and gain it again and again. Then you go on to rubbing your partner all over without getting turned on and v.v. (she can get as turned on as she likes, of course!) but with no anticipation of having an orgasm at the end of it for, I think three sessions. Basically, I got too good at turning myself on whilst alone in hotel rooms for work for weeks on end!

Anyway, it seems to make sense on all fronts, and this is clearly the stuff the sex therapists will be referring to if you throw up your hands and seek professional help. I've only done the solo exercises so far so I've no idea how it is working, but it is definitely the step beyond what I was doing. I also think you could effectively do these exercises and cure your PE by yourself without a partner if yours is caused by poor habits rather than neurological proclivity.

By the way, when we all talk about a phsyiological predisposition, it seems it is really a neurological predisposition, i.e. it is not that your dick is too sensitive, it is what your brain does with the stimuli that is too sensitive.

The book is by Metz and McCarthy and is a fraction of the cost of the easy-money schemes. There are probably five other books of similar calibre available.

I remain committed to communicating via this forum because it has been a life-saver for me so I shall post again periodically with any (hopefully) positive results.

Jimmster

Jimmster,

what was it about the EJAC MASTER ebook that has you thinking its a total fraud ? its very popular and is everywhere online, please share what its about with us , the primary conclusion of the program and what they offer as solutions, so we can evaluate it before we might potentially waste our money on it.

Ive thought about ordering it myself and im sure many others have too

dj

I found what they had to say very interesting, guys tell me what you think


What is undoubtedly true is that the most important biological factor effecting premature ejaculation is the sensitivity of the male sex organ, namely the penis. Penile sensitivity varies greatly in different men and is undoubtedly linked to premature ejaculation. The higher the sensitivity, the more the likelihood for premature ejaculation. Unfortunately, despite being such an undesirable condition, hypersensitivity remains a common problem amongst many men.

What does Asphaton do to cure premature ejaculation?

Asphaton Tablets is perhaps the most powerful, safest and reliable treatment for premature ejaculation. The secret behind Asphaton's effectiveness is to tackle the problem from the root. Asphaton decreases the sensitivity of the penis to a level where a man is almost able to choose the moment he wants to ejaculate. This gives men immense control during sex. The issue of importance is that Asphaton does this while actually increasing the sex drive, helping to achieve fuller erections and increased libido. Asphaton has absolutely no harmful side effects.

We must make clear that Asphaton Tablets is not a permanent cure for premature ejaculation, nor are we aware that a permanent cure for premature ejaculation does exit. However, Asphaton is surely the next best thing to a permanent cure. Results acheived by an Asphaton treatment last for a good number of months to come. Through observations, results from a one month course of Asphaton Tablets last for atleast the next eight months to come. In rare cases, the results have been permanent, however these cases are too few for us to claim that Asphaton Tablets is a permanent cure for premature ejaculation.

Men experiencing hypersensitivity in the penis, are not only prone to premature ejaculation, but also many other undesirable problems. These include having to urinate more frequently, inability to concentrate during work, irritated mood and lowered self esteem amongst many others.

When Asphaton is taken as directed, you will see obvious results in less than 16 days. But remember — Asphaton must be taken according to label directions. Skipping pills or giving up will only delay the resolution of your problem. With Asphaton, persistence pays off!

Dosage

Asphaton is taken orally. The normal dosage is two tablets, taken thrice a day after meals.

Ingredients

All ingredients are extracted from 100% naturally occurring herbs, without any chemical alterations. The following are the ingredients, by weight, per tablet, before extraction, processing and blending in a palatable base:

Withania Coagulans 44.47mg
Asacia Arabica 44.47mg
Iron Murakab 8.89mg
Egg Shell Calcium (Processed) 8.89mg
Kushta Qalee (Processed) 8.89mg
Asphaltum 8.89mg

Well someone should definately try that, blast is trying prolasta and if someone tries this one out it would be a nice fall back.

Let's say you take this Asphaton for one month, and it last for about eight more months. Then whenever you are going to have sex take a Prolasta, would be a nice combo if they both actually work huh?

Hi Severe,
in answer to your question:

"What was it about the EJAC MASTER ebook that has you thinking its a total fraud ? its very popular and is everywhere online, please share what its about with us , the primary conclusion of the program and what they offer as solutions, so we can evaluate it before we might potentially waste our money on it.

Ive thought about ordering it myself and im sure many others have too"

It is a rough approximation of what the specialists are saying, but with a much less rigorous programme and information with holes in it. It is less likely to successfully treat your problem. I also have thought about buying it several times in desperation, but now I feel why would you buy a poor copy of the original for twice or three times the price?

The book I bought comes up at the top of the list on the subject on Amazon. Perhaps the most interesting exercise, for me is self-or pertner stimulation without getting aroused! I didn't know that was possible. It seems I am playing a porn movie in my head which drives me over the edge. Need to turn the DVD off and focus on the sensations. Ironically, the aim is greater stimulation, not deadening sensation. (If your PE is largely neurological you DO need to deaden sensation).

have someone tried this before:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wi ki/Veyron-s
I have ED for almost 3 years and I am sensitive to many
of famous ED medications.
thank you

Hey Jimmster, yes i do believe my problem is purely physical and neurological so that book probably isnt for me . What do you think of the ASPHATON tablets i mentioned which claim they lessen the sensitivity of the Penis ?

dj

Damendan

Yes , that is if it works. I wonder if ANY of these herbal pills actually work although they promise you everything which might be nothing more than sleazy marketing. I have Severe PE, so im an excellent test subject to try this stuff on. I am currently taking the popular CLIMINAX and so far results are ZERO improvement. I have 10 more days on them and if Nothing changes i will request my refund. I will then use that money to buy the ASPHATON tablets and i will certainly report back on the results.

If anyone here tries PROLASTA please report back on your Results that way we help each other sort through this incredible maze . I have been told before that CLIMINAX is a fraud, but i tried them anyway, maybe the reports are correct. They say to take 1 pill a day, im taking 2 or 3 a day and no results.

But to be fair i still have a lil time yet, ill let you know if theres any difference.

dj

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If any of you guys are Chemistry or Herbal students and know alot bout this area which i dont, here are the ingredients in them which they claim "deadens'' the sensitivity of the Penis to a large degree. Are these ingredients really effective at acieving that or is this just More bunk ? intersting . I honestly dont know any background on the specifics of what these do inside the human body


Withania Coagulans 44.47mg
Asacia Arabica 44.47mg
Iron Murakab 8.89mg
Egg Shell Calcium (Processed) 8.89mg
Kushta Qalee (Processed) 8.89mg
Asphaltum 8.89mg

ok, first of all, i had a chance to finally finish reading the whole thread, very very informative I shall say, and just like you fellows, i also have a pe problem, sometimes, i cum durin lapdance, sometimes b4 penetration, sometimes, as soon i receive oral...
I tried a few things to try to treated..
Stud100 it worked excellent for me, except a couple of times to complete numb my buddy and I was unable to perform(buy they got some good oral). I gave up but im gonna try again, I guess the trick is timing, you have to let it dry and also the amount applied.
the most I ever lasted having sex was like 45 minutes straight, and i only stop because i forced myself to really finish(was gettin tired), but that one time i was under teh influence of alcohol and some otehr unnamed drug that is whitish looking...BTW, i dont recommend it..only happed one time

I try marijuana like some suggested and it worked for me a few times and some other times, complete numbness, again unable to perform..

Anyhow, I believe the key here after reading everyone's comment is COMPLETE RELAXATION, not only pc muscles, but whole body relaxation, no stress either, since stress doesnt allow your body to be in complete relaxation mode..

I also like to add that sometimes when i'm with my wife, she suddenly wants to have sex, i can easily go with her for as long as i want since is late and im already in a relaxin mode, sometimes 10-20 minutes until i make myself cum. my mind is completely realx when this happens, but if im horny and i look fo rher then is probably like 3-5 minutes, enough to satisfy her once at least.
I try with diff girls during this time..and once i came b4 penetration, other time within 2 strokes and once i went for like 10 minutes but it was uninspired, the point is doesnt matter if u are able to retain control with your gf/wife, the next one will be back to square one. See with my wife, i'm not under any pressure to take a long time, i usually just go at it until i cum and she orgasms too, so my mind and i guess my pc muscles are relaxed.
But if i masturbate, i will go for like 2 minutes the most and i cum, but that is because i place dirty thoughts on my mind and flexing the pc muscles i guess.

I will try the relaxing technique to see if it helps..thank you all for your input and keep this thread going..
Also one more question, I was thinkin about trying prolasta, has anyone being able to get it in Canada over the counter?

just get it online and you wont have to worry

dj