the Ultimate Premature Ejaculation Discussion

just in case john doesnt get back to you, a kegel is the stopping of pee method, and a reverse kegel is the forcing out a poop method. you need to do the forcing out the poo one as exercises lots and lots (without the poo obviously), and then if you use it when near to coming you will feel the need to come die down.

I just want to say (this is my thoughts and experience only) PE and ED could somehow be related.

I think in an average erection we always unconsciously clench our PE to keep erect, that's we we ejaculate quickly.

I tried for one night to get a really good erection, took some l-argine and gingko biloba etc... main part is I got this rocket hard erection (no effort or physical arousal was needed) and my god was it so easy to practice the reverse kegel! I could concentrate relaxing my PE muscles without needing to clench to sustain erection!

It was only a week since I started John's reverse/ relax exercise (all day every day) and for the first time in 2 years sex was good and prolonged. My PE has been so bad for 2 years I couldn't even get inside without cumming so I was just sooo grateful and excited. I feel that through practice I am getting control of the involuntary clench which, I agree, is the culprit - at least for me.

I haven't got control over it yet, but controlling it in the early stages, foreplay and once inside, seem to make it last much longer.

I urge everyone who is stuck with PE to do what John has said. I was so completely floored by it for 2 whole years and now I feel I could fly.

During the day I counter the clench when I know it is coming, like when you move, stretch, sneeze, cough (although I can't stop it when sneezing or coughing), and then when I get the chance (kids, work make this difficult) I practice countering it while wanking. I think thatbis the best practice because it is directly related to orgasm, but I also think the walking around practice helps you get better at it.

Try driving around in a manual gearbox car without ever letting your PC muscle clench - you might be surprised!

It is like a cloud is lifting...

Jimmster, please address: http:/ /ehealthforum.com/health/reverse-kegel-t14 2202.html

When I try this technique my abdominal muscles push out? Can anyone gives instructions. I have faith in this technique and just want to master it.

jimmster that is awesome news. keep us updated

I had a problem the other week my PE came back but after some masturbation testing I realized i was going back to old habits which was getting nervous when the pleasure got very high. All I had to do was to TRUST in controlling my pc and enjoy the pleasure not got nervous when i felt it approaching. Right away I was back to prolonged sex. It is amazing to feel pleasure that intense for a long time i feel like i have been missing out all this time.

jprice

i know hat you mean when you say your abdominals push out. That only happens when you are pushing hard. For me all i need is a (gentle reverse kegel) no need to be pushing so hard your abdominals are involved. Just push your pc out without trying to hard.

WAIT will some people please clarify this one for me.
So a kegel is the motion of using the PC to stop yourself from peeing,
and
a reverse kegel is the outward (pooping) movement??

And when people say do reverse kegels, it means do that outward pooping method?? I have read TONS and TONS of websites, and they all describe reverse kegels as the stopping your pee movement, and I have been exercizing my PC using that movement for months now, is that wrong?!?!? and probably counter-productive!?!?

I should be doing that outward pooping motion often, everyday, multiple times and like if thats the case, how do you "hold" that reverse kegel, just keep pushing??

please clarify!!

just wanted to add this in.... because i didn't look through the other 34 pages of posts i don't know if it was discussed, but have you guys experimented with c*ck rings? i think they work, i hav had experience with them in the past with guys. i had an boyfriend who would enter and thrust maybe 10 times, and it was over....this happened everytime, and so i told him about the c*ck rings, and we tried them, and sex was prolonged much longer than 10 seconds...it was great. hope this helps

I'm not too sure on the reverse kegels, or regular kegels. The penis ring is just a temp solution, same with the creams and sprays.

In this website http://www.actionlove.com /extra/pe.htm they say that over masterbation has trained our penis to ejaculate quickly.

I think that could be true since about 4 years ago I was having great sex, but in the first 3 months when I was dating the girl we didnt have any sex and I remembered I never masturbated and when we started having sex I had complete ejaculation control lasting over 45 minutes.

I am sure the solution to this problem is to stop our masturbation or cut it down big time.

I think it has to do with my overmasturbation. If I'm having sex with 3 different girls and masterbating once a day.. I think it's excessive.
Does everyone here orgasm 3 times a week... I think the census is that we all orgasm more than that per week. So I'm gonna stop it, and just orgasm when I have sex.

Also I think part of it is that when I masterbate I watch porn, and that really can't be healthy for me.

Rocketman, I think what you should do is when you do masterbate make sure that you aren't in a rush and can take time. You want to try and make it last as long as you can, just as you would in sex, or else your body will just think "Hey we are getting horny, let's come!".

I see there's alot of posts already, I've only read the first page so far and I don't want to read everything just to find out if some1 has the same problem as me since reading it might take me 2 days ;P

My problem is that I have PE (obviously since I'm posting here). I've done alot of research on the web but I have no idea what to do. I've got a girlfriend. I have no problem making her come, doing oral and using fingers. Still I would love to experience 'REAL' sex.

I get really turned on prior to sex, just the idea I guess. I get this feeling in my stomach and all over my body really. As soon as I penetrate I get this extremely overwhelming feeling all over, I can't control it and it makes me lose control over my ejaculation aswell. Especially when I'm on top and have to do the thrusting I'll come in like 4 thrusts.

When my gf's on top it might take a little longer but I still can't 'do her' for more than 30 seconds. Some people say (that I've read) that if we both come there is no problem aslong as we're happy. I'm not happy tho, I would really like to try out new positions but it's just impossible as I'll shoot my load in a matter of seconds.

I can't be bothered with Kegels as I've read that they might even make your PE worse. Just the idea of sex turns me on, especially using various positions. Therefor I think numbing cream might be a good solution for me. I think I will be able to come even with a numbing cream applied.

Because I want to do other positions etc. relaxing doesn't sound like a solution really.

I'm really wondering what started this. Some say it's genetic and I've even read it's caused by ejaculating alot as fast as possible when masturbating.

My real question is wether some1 here as positive experiences with any type of medicine or cream? Cause so far I haven't read anything extremely positive.

I hope people take the time to read through my post even tho it's pretty lengthy.

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Just thought I'd add some more information. When I wank of without stimulation (ie. Porn) I have no problem at all not coming as long as I keep a normal pace. I can do this untill I get bored. It makes sense as I'm not aroused when not thinking of / seeing sex. I thought this might be important as I see some people who say they can now jack off without coming when they relax.

Also, when looking for PE information I came across a site. I'm sorry that I can't remember the URL but it was about an operation that solved PE. Basicly they (doctors) destroyed some of the nerves in the penis. For me this isn't an option as I'm too afraid something might go wrong. The guy who got the operation said it really helped him and his gf was pretty extatic aswell.
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I've read through some more posts, especially the ones John made. You really motivated me as I think I got the same problem as you (did). When I masturbate wihout porn I get these waves where it feels like I need to stop or I wont be able to stop it from coming anymore. But just relaxing and not stopping / changing the pase makes this feeling dissapear and come back. Everytime it comes I get the feeling I should stop but when I just carry on the feeling will go away.

I think visual stimulation is a big problem tho, and I have no idea how to overcome this hurdle.

What is worse than PE is when you can't get it up. If you by mistake overspray on that stud100 you will have a chance of it not getting up. That has happened, and I didnt think anything could be worse than PE but not being able to even get it up.. holy sh*t man... so I wouldnt really recommend it.
It is a temp solution, it will not solve your PE problem and you will not have the same erection as you usually have if you were using the stud even if it is just like 2 sprays

you guys are on to something here im sure of it. so the trick is to keep your pc relaxed all day? does this include after you take a pee and your tryin to get the last little bit out?

hey guys is there anything i can put inside my condom that will cover my penis/condom touching? maybe so it desenterizes me so i cant feel everything when i'm inside?

i really need suggestions

I can't seem to relax my pc all day and when i have sex, when i thrust its really hard not to squeeze.