the Ultimate Premature Ejaculation Discussion

I know it frustrates you, but I'm pretty sure everyone here was frustrated at one time or another, PE isn't something you can just do magic therapy for a week and get rid of it, you have to be patient. Don't give up, I haven't there are ways out there, just up to you to really go out and try things that will work for you. I can tell you that it is not the end, plus you're still young it could just be inexperience.

I wanted to get something from GNC for PE. Any suggestions. It should work fast after taking the pill.

this combo from GNC (and WholeFoods) really helps control your ejaculation with no side effects...

6 pills of St John's Wort (1080mg in total),

3 pills of Gaba (2250mg total),

1 adult multivitamin for men from anywhere, i used one from WholeFoods

2 pills choline (500mg total),

1 pill of 5-htp (100mg total),

1 pill L-Arginine (500mg total)

basically all the above just raise Seratonin levels, except L-Arginine; that makes your penis harder. Also avoid Yohimbe and Caffeine

I tried Paxil a few weeks ago and it was a miracle, and worked everytime I used it but after a few times, I started getting extreme nausea and had to stop taking it, I then tried Zoloft which gave me some Nausea and a somewhat delayed orgasm.

Levitra also gave me more control over my orgasm even tho it is designed for ED.

Next I will try Adderall and then Anafranil (an older Tryciclic Antidepressant that is similar to an SSRI)

I hope this helps you. If anyone has any advice for me, I would really appreciate hearing it. Thanks.

Hey minuteman i was wondering whether you took all these supplements daily or only before sex? Also i was wondering how you would compare the effectivness of your supplement regimine to the effectivness of ssris in delaying ejaculation? Thanks.

i only took it before sex. the supplements are good but the ssri's are a lot better, except the supplements didn't have me in the toilet puking all night.

the best analogy i can come up with is trying to kill someone with a knife (supplements) vs. a gun (ssri's).


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" Stopping "right" before ejaculation

Continue masturbating, except this time, keep going until you reach orgasm. Right as you orgasm you should notice several contractions that signal the beginning of ejaculation in the base of your penis and perhaps even deeper inside your pelvis. As these contractions begin or preferably just before (but still during the orgasm), stop all stimulation to the penis and squeeze the PC muscle tight. You'll probably feel yourself trying to ejaculate, but hold it back! Squeezing your PC muscle effectively shuts off your ejaculation, if you are successful, and erases the refractory period.

A small amount semen may seep out, but not with any of the force you might normally experience during an unrestrained singular orgasm. If you were able to hold off ejaculating after your orgasm, start masturbating again now. It should feel as though you are still very aroused, not like you just ejaculated. You should be able to continue for a short time until you have another orgasm.

If you were unable to keep from ejaculating the first time, either your PC muscle isn't strong enough yet or you squeezed it at the wrong time. If you begin squeezing too late after the ejaculatory contractions have already begun, it is nearly impossible to shut stop the process completely. With practice you will learn the timing.
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what a load of bs. i did this yesterday and every one of this pitiful 'orgasms' you get, it drains of semen and eventually u are soft.

Hey guys, this is my first post but surely not my last. I have spent the following 3 days reading all of these posts and I have a fair amount to say.

The first and utmost important thing is that this thread is absolutely awsome and it seems to be diminishing so please keep it up!!

Now I am 19 years old and I believe I suffer from PE. I have had sex about 10 times, all with the same girl, never in consecutive days and each time i last about 5 seconds. I literally waste a good minute just trying to get my penis inside her because she is extremely tight, and once I am in I cum immediately. She also always gives me handjobs prior to us having sex in hope that it will make me last longer, but it doesnt. I masturbated in the morning of the day I saw her, she gave me a handjob, 30 minutes later we had 5 second sex, and an hour afterward we had 1 minute sex. EXTREMELY EMBARASSING. I definitely think alot of it is mental, because I have trouble relaxing, I have a weak heart, and my heart rate rushes and were making out while you try and do it and I am just not relaxed, any tips?? I think having her on top may be a problem because I struggle to put my penis in her without seeing. I have tried using the durex performax condoms and they do nothing. My penis does not get numb from them. I even tested it while masterbating, I left the condom on for 5 minutes, took it off and I still felt everything when I touched my penis. However, it is possible I just haven't waited long enough, and I normally have sex a minute or so after I put the condom on, so maybe I do not wait long enough. Another interesting note tho is that I can last aslong as I wish when receiving handjobs, and I do not even like blow jobs, I do not think they feel good... I can not figure it out, maybe you guys can help me understand why.

Regarding SSRIs, I have been on many for many years, and I have been off for the past 5 months (Before I ever had sex), and my brother happens to be a doctor, and he knows about my problem, and although he isn't trained in anything regarding erectile dysfunction he is willing to prescribe me whatever I say I want to try, as long as I am being safe and smart.

I am going to go back onto the lexapro starting this monday and I will let you guys know if I see an effect. Do those of you that have taken SSRI's take it before you have sex or daily? If it is before you have sex, how much before you have sex? 1 hr, 2hrs, 5 minutes?

Also does anyone know the difference between SSRIs and SNRIs and MAOIs in regards to there affects with PE? We will find something that works and is safe. I will not stop untill we do, but I need the support of you guys to keep posting and talking and sharing experiences.

How do you guys masterbate in attempts to stop PE? Do you do the method described above? right before you are about to cum you flex? or what? Additionally does anyone else feel like the desentisitzing condoms do not work?

Lets keep this going..

Well I certainly never thought I would sign up to this forum and post here, but I felt so compelled to after what happened tonight.

For the past while I had been keeping tabs on this thread and reading on all the great things you guys have had to say. It has been inspiring as someone who has PE, but none of it ever really helped me.

Tonight something strange happened though. I was masturbating and though I did want to try to keep it going for as long as possible, I showed bad self-control and ended up lasting only 10 seconds or so. I felt defeated, but then I thought maybe it was a good idea to try and keep myself erect and to keep going.

I waited about a minute, and then tried to keep myself going and it was strange. From this point on, I never got fully erect again. I would say I was a little more than half erect, but I wasn't losing or gaining anything. I kept masturbating and it was strange. I didn't really feel much, it didn't feel bad, but it didn't really feel necessarily good either. The main thing here though, is that for the first time I can recall in my life, I wasn't feeling like I had PE. It was as if I had a spray from a desensitizer or something.

I am wondering if I would ever be able to replicate this state again, because even when I was sexually active on a regular basis (which I am currently not), I would always try to just keep going after not lasting very long, and it wouldn't work, and certainly not like this. And even if I had masturbated prior to having sex, that did not have an effect either.

I honestly do not think I would have even ejaculated tonight, but for thinking of something I had read on this thread. Eventually since it seemed like I wouldn't ejaculate at all, I decided to keep constantly clenching my PC muscle, and sure enough, it worked fairly quickly and I ejaculated.

Overall, a strange night. I am not even sure what to think about it, heh. I will have to see if I can replicate this again some other time.

Hi,

Like you guys, I really want to last longer!!

- but for you chaps who are new to sex, cumming straight away is normal and you may find that, as time passes, you are able to last much longer. It happens to everyone -

I think my PE has negatively impacted every other area of my life. I'm a very sexual person, very passionate. It's what I love to do, but I just don't last that long. Over the years I've learned to become a lot more attentive to my partner and now it is second nature. That's the first thing to remember, have fun and be attentive. My partner climaxes very often from foreplay alone and short periods of penetration - so that's fortunate.

However, I have never really relaxed and enjoyed sex of oral stimulation. I'm 29 now and I think I deserve to!! Sex is still about holding off, slowing down and trying not to cum. It's not about relaxing and enjoying myself letting go with my partner. It's still great but, like many of you, I know it can be much better.

Someone earlier mentioned wanting to enjoy a BJ for longer. How true! It is the greatest thing on earth and I want to revel in it for at least 5mins!

I tried condoms with lidocaine and they didn't really work too well. I have tried kegel exercises and they didn't help. I do stop start masturbation but it's really no fun and doesn't seem to help. I often wonder how other men experience sex. It must make a huge difference to their lives. I know that if I had complete ejaculatory control - I don't think I would leave the house. Seriously, it seems like it is within my reach - it is my body I must be able to control it - but it also seems so impossible.

For me, it is physical. It's not about stress. I get erections very easily just from hugging and I can reach climax very quickly. I used to be a sprinter and I'm very agile and quick and responsive, so I'm sure it is part of my physiology. I would also like to reverse it though!

I'm trying to keep up with all your experimentation and I will read on with interest. I have thought of many different approaches but in the end, when I want to masturbate, I want to masturbate, there is little scope for testing a null-hypothesis.

I am determined to do something about it. I really want to have that control. Genuinely. It's not about being a porn star or wanting to go for hours - it's about getting the pleasure I want and sharing it with my partner.

I will be mindful of my progress and I intend to update in this forum if I see improvements - maybe if one of us happens across a good technique, that person could be very wealthy indeed.

Good luck. I'm off to try and fight off ejaculation right now. I will succeed!!

Hi!

-- Blast00 -- Thanks for letting us know how it goes with the SSRI's. I'm very intrested in this stuff but I'm also a bit scared about possible side effects. I don't wanna become a zombie :p Did you have any side effects while on them?

And yes - I have been developing my pc muscles in order to be able to last longer and the results are mixed. I've had some success with the "squeeze right before thing" while masturbating but I don't think I could pull that off in a "real" situation because it demands really good timing and it would suck to have to start the intercourse with trying to avoid cumming. (Maybe if I had a steady girlfriend that understod my problem I would work more on this method..) I need to find a solution that prevents me from being so close to orgasm in the first place.. It's like when I know I'm about to have have intercourse the mind automatically loads up my gun ready to shoot as soon as possible. With handjob and blowjob I can last a few minutes so that's not really part of my problem.

-- Tsunku -- I totally understand what you mean. It's like you know that it is so good and yet you are not able to enjoy it. Really frustrating and depressing and effecting all areas in life. This stuff is in the back of my head 24-7 so I cant even have a good time with my friends without thinking about my problem. I also wonder how it feels for a "normal" guy when he's having sex. Does he feel less stimulation and therefore he's able to have sex longer. Does he feel the same amount of stimulation as us but unlike us, his mind doesn't tell him to orgasm automatically and therefore he can last longer? This is really confusing. When I'm talking about the "mind" I mean like a sub-conscius thing or a reflex or something because that's what it feels like for me. But thera are probably a few different kinds of PE which has been said a few times earlier in this forum.

Good luck to you all and keep on posting!

I was on them before I started really engaging in sexual acitvity. Whats interested is I took both Luvox (Luvoxamine) and Lexapro at the same time. I acutally however have some recollection of it taking an hour for a girl to give me a handjob once. But she wasnt all that pretty either.

haha

its sort of annoying that things seem to have died down. This isn't going to work if only a few of us are trying. regardless here is my plan of attack, and other people can use this as a guideline i guess as well.. They go in order of working, so if the first one doesn't work I will try the second one etc.

-SSRIs, lexapro, then possibily lexapro combined with luvox
- extra thick condom, lifestyles extra strength .09 mm
- stud desentizing cream
- kegels... again

I have been reading this forum and it good to know that other are dealing with the same problem I am.

I am 26 years old and have dealt with this for a while now. In my past I had no trouble getting laid and most of the time I was drunk or high and really didn't care about my performance. When I sobered up I realized I had a problem, but ignored it.

Now I have found a great women that I want to spend my life with and this issue is really putting a strain on our relationship. how do I go about reassuring her that it not her, It's me? I have started the process of overcoming this by seeing a SEX THERAPIST, going to talk to my doctor tomorrow about it, and I am doing the stop and go exercise. Do you guys have any more advice? I love this girl and don't wanna lose her over this stupid problem.

Hello geezers

I know this thread is getting quite large and there has been some mutterings that some of the original posters have not come back. Lets hope they have found a cure! Lets hope they find their keyboard and tell us what it is! I am going to give you a quick run down on where I am, starting from the beginning. Bear with me, there is some fairly good news at the end.

I lost the big V ten years ago. My trouser snake couldn't make up its mind. It got in bed with my new girl and it wouldn't go up! Then when it did I shot my load within 5 seconds.

I saw her again, she was under the understanding that I was drunk and couldn't do much....which was slightly true. The sex remained the same but as I was young, I didn't seem to be able to keep my erection until she had an orgasm (Or pretended ) What was really annoying, is that when she gave me head, I could last about 20 minutes! But as soon as we got anywhere near to sex, it would decide to spill it's load! Bastid thing.

This is sort of where I am now (Except head gets me going as much as sex ) and this is what I have tried.....

St Johns Wort - Nothing changed. I purchased a box of sixty and took one a day. Still fired the gun before getting it fully from the holster.

5-HTP - I got two months worth, nothing really changed. Except I could sleep really easily (Thankfully, not while driving)

Kegal excersises - These have been hit and miss for most people, I read that they are a god send, start doing all the required excersises, then stop because someone online said they are rubbish...somewhere.

China brush - This made my helmet sore and I still shot it too early - brilliant.

Masterbating beforehand/Thinking of cricket/Punching myslef in the cods while having sex - All rubbish. Felt a bit wierd after ejaculating while thinking of cricket.

I purchased a copy of a hypnosis mp3 online recently and a well known ebook (Highly scored (on every website owned by the author )) which was filled with kegal excersises and something which I found really useful, and this is (you will all probably notice) is where the good news starts.

I have listened to the hypnosis mp3 4 times. I also took an idea from the book I purchased..........
The trick is to lie down, close your eyes and imagine having sex with someone you find really hot. REALLY hot. You will start to notice almost the exact same feelings you get when having sex, a tingling down below, an urge to ejaculate, it is easier to quash those feelings while visualising the act. Take it slow in the visualisation and imagine every touch is very real. This worked for me in probably the same way mental preperation works for athletes, but it worked wonders so far.

Now, the last four times I have had sex, I have been able to stave off ejaculation long enough for her to finish. I still find it slightly difficult to go on top, or from behind and I think it is because I don't generally visualise any other position. When I get up to ten times, I will give it a go, one step at a time.

I know you are all thinking I am a bit mad but seriosuly, it is the best I have ever performed (Sober and off any other substancies) and I am happy that it is all moving in the right direction. This is all without a condom either.

So there you have it. Hypnosis and visualisation, mock if ye will.

PS, I don't want to put on here where I got the hypnosis from because you will all think I am a spammer and cut off my testicles, and I need those right now. Although answer this....Would a spammer risk RSI by typing all this

Peace

I guess I'd be considered an original poster or at least one who posted a lot on this thread. I'm still here, reading and posting once in awhile. I have found success using the Stud spray so that is what I've stuck with and its still working.

okay so I have begun the lexapro. 10 mg a day. Can someone suggest a method in which I can test its affect? Somehow by masterbation time, I can't really figure it out, so if one of you guys can suggest a method i will do it. I will most likely be able to see its affect acutally having sex for another few months.

secondly, quickdraw -we know you are not a spammer, you have posted before and i think you should post the link.

lastly- just out of curiousity, does anyone here tell there partner they are a virgin?? I know that I have had sex with a virgin, but she is still one technically because her cherry didn't pop.. does anyone refer to themselves as being virgins because they have never lasted long enough to qualify as having sex..

hey, been checkin out the site, never really realised i had PE but now that i have a steady gf i can see clearly, i've been avoiding sex which is hard, until i receive the stamina spray i ordered online, i also ordered climinax and will try that. what i'm wondering is how exactly should i use the spray, can you use it when soft or will you not be able to get hard again, any guys who have used it wanna tell me their routine id be greatly appreciated.

Well gentlemen, here I am.

I have read through this entire... tomb of knowledge and experimenting. I'd like to thank the original boys for getting it rolling and we'd like to here from you.. that's MandM, POM, NYC, Mike, and Healthy. POM you especially have dropped off the face of the forum and this is your place. Let us know even if you don't need the forum anymore! We can help each other, that has been clear.

Anyway, my story. Prior to sexual contact I always noticed I was finished quite fast masturbating with lube and speed and pressure. Over the years I think I trained myself to go off quick at any sexual contact, alas. Sitting there alone, watching porn or not, all you really do is FOCUS on how good it feels on your penis. Guys I think thats where we screwed ourselves. I think anyone without PE probably just realized to learn control before sex, or they didn't get so damn unconfident like we did when they go off quick and fixed there problem with stronger mental power than we have. Oh wah.

SO basically now as soon as I'm in, my brain - as much as I try not to - is far too consciously aware of how nice a vagina feels around my penis. And it associates that stimulation with ejaculating and it'll do it quite soon after. What my GF and I normally do when having sex is start with her in top and we move together so there is almost no friction and then I can do for quite a while. UNLESS - here is the psych part of it - I think about ejaculating or worry about it, then I'm doomed. It'll start building and I'll will it to go away and it'll come faster and... GG done clean up dispose condom feel embarrassed. GF is supportive BTW she just doesn't want sex all that often, low drive and I try not to but sometimes think how I could change it if sex was actually GOOD and LONG between us.

ANYWAY, I have figured PE out. The more sensitive you are, the harder it will be but this will work.

I am a very smart person and I told myself that I can figure this out.
Listen up.

SEX FEELS AMAZING. Right? Well stop FOCUSSING on that. You say you try to, or that you do. WRONG, it's not that easy. Your brain has become SO accustomed to working on ejaculating at the time of any stimulation that even if you think of baseball, a fraction of your conscience or your sub conscience will be totally aware of the feeling and start the ejaculation program. We need to KILL THIS FRACTION. Or better yet, be in CONTROL of the link between the ejaculation program and our brain focusing on the good feeling.

Now we are all smart people. How can we do that? What tools do we need?

Knowing now, what I said above, these familiar suggestions will begin to make more sense.

Jack off with lube. You need to train yourself not to focus on the tingly warm feelings inside. You need to train yourself not to immediately tense that PC muscle. Try this, start masterbating and force yourself to ignore the feelings. PC muscle is RELAXED. Don't think about baseball, just think about your hand going up and down on your penis. Penis going in and out of a vagina. JUST THAT. What it VISUALIZES AS. Keep trying, you'll eventually notice that at one point or another, your doing it but you have FORGOTTEN about the tingly feeling and you DO NOT notice it. IF YOU CANNOT PASS THIS STEP, KEEP WORKING ON IT. If its not working, SOME PART OF YOUR BRAIN is still focusing on the feelings. Anything else is useless if you can't learn this. I'm still working on it, I suck at it especially when the real deal comes. This is why SSRI's and desensitizers work sometimes. The drugs numb the brain and the sprays numb the source, making it easier for you to ignore those sensations.

How can we do this? Because guys, that one "theory" is the cause of PE.

1. Practice. Do this as often as you can. TRAIN yourself so that the feelings on your penis ARE NOT SUCH A BIG DEAL, like OMG FEELS GOOD ---> splat.

And when you are practicing... be patient. Be determined enough to fix this. If one thing isn't working, try another; listen to your body. You have to find your own way to getting used to the sensation.

2. Kegel's? Maybe, if a stronger PC muscle means you can be in control of it being relaxed better, than yes - Kegels. And I'm sure it does.

3. Stop being such a damn baby. If you feel at all unconfident in fixing this problem, you're doomed. If time has gone by and you're still only getting 20 second bursts of that in-control-ignoring-the-sensation mindset, don't be afraid of your still having PE, be EXCITED AND CONFIDENT that you're fixing it. Be like, "K I'll try something different tomorrow". If you do bad with your women, tell yourself you got it next time. Don't kid yourself here. Remember we are looking to master a MINDSET. One that those of us with PE don't know how to get into, or can't stay in long enough.

WEAK MINDED AND HAVING PROBLEMS WITH WHAT I SAID ---> well thats where I am, or was a few days ago. My confidence tends to break, I tend to not want to work on the control and often would just rather jack off quick and get to to bed or whatever. We gotta GET MOTIVATED. I'm going to try downloading a hypnosis mp3 because I think it will work. I'll let you guys know. I think it will get rid of the psych factor and or convince me I can do it, and then I will.

MY THEORIES are obvious, and since the last few days when I realized them I have been confident. I am confident I will FIX the problem. I am EXCITED to try the hypnosis and EXCITED to have sex again. I'm gonna start slow, play around with going in and out, not too deep at first, simply getting used to the feeling and looking for the MINDSET.

Remember the MINDSET: I DON'T NOTICE THE TINGLY. THE SENSATIONS DON'T MEAN TO START THE EJACULATION PROGRAM.

Find it, stay in it, work with it, practice it, and EXPECT to slowly get better.

You guys dig? GOOD LUCK LET'S DO THIS.

im with you man on the moon