the Ultimate Premature Ejaculation Discussion

Good luck with your test. The good thing is that it's supposed to be an as-needed and instant-working pill, so it won't take you 3 months to test. Try to make your tests objective as possible by not changing too many conditions. Such as, don't test it one day when you haven't masturbated in a week, and then test it again the next day after having masturbated twice. It'll also be good if you have a control time to compare it to, so you know how well it works objectively rather than just thinking "hmm, I think I lasted longer." Using the rubber vagina would be good, because it doesn't change pressure. And since you're testing something, don't actually try to last long, make it as mechanical and identical as possible. Same position (arms, legs, everything), same lube, same speed, etc. Though, you could also try to last longer as well, but then do the same in a control.

Now onto Prolasta. I checked out the site and found the ingredients...

Proprietary blend of Hypericum perforatum, Mannitol, Sorbitol, Sodium Stearyl Fumarate, Ascorbic acid, Citric acid, Ammonium glycyrrhizinate (liquorice flavor) and Sucralose.

Basically, it's a collection of artificial sweeteners and preservatives.

Mannitol, Sorbitol, Sucralose, and Citric acid are used as sweeteners.

Citric acid and Ascorbic acid are used as preservatives.

Sodium Stearyl Fumarate seems to be used only as an additive to make pills. Is it in tablet form?

Ammonium Glycyrrhizinate says what is is, liquorice flavor.

So that leaves Hypericum Perforatum, which is the scientific name for St. John's Wort. An herb often used for depression or anxiety. So essentially, this pill will be trying to affect your serotonin levels to alleviate PE.

So with seemingly only one active ingredient does that mean it won't work? No. However, it might mean that if it does work for you that you could easily find a cheaper solution, which is good.

The only question really is whether Mannitol has other purposes. Because there are so many inactive ingredients listed, and most are sweeteners I lumped Mannitol into this group and perhaps correctly. However, besides being a sweetener Mannitol has other uses. It can have diuretic properties and can also help deliver drugs to the brain. Even if that were it's use, it's still likely that a St. John's Wort product alone would have the same effect, but perhaps not as fast.

Good luck and let us know.

Also, was it you who tried another product, I think called Last Longer III or something, a combination of two products?

How'd that work? Did you take it for the needed amount of time?

wow, you really know your stuff, yes I had ordered Last longer 3 but I never tested it because the product said that It could take up to 6 months for it to work which is a joke.

I had tried anoher product that also worked with serotonin levels, its was called detainX, it didnt work so I hope I have better luck with this.

Yes prolasta is a tablet that dissolves under the tongue.

POM, i don't understand why you'd rather try all these products of dubious origin that have some traces of a well known active ingredient mixed with tons of garbage, instead of just going for a legitimate ssri;

that reminds me of the original stamina rx, which was very popular with health conscious people back in the days; that is, until some lab wanted to see why it worked so good and, of course, they discovered it had tons of cialis.

just because it seems less synthetic it doesn't mean it can't kill you, really; look at yohimbe versus viagra: even though both work, a lot of people prefered viagra because they couldn't deal with the side effects from yohimbe (the natural cure).

Im going to see the urologist on saturday and Im gonna tell him/her about my PE. What should I ask him to check in me to see if Im physically ok
I thought of prostate and histamine levels
anything else?
im sure there was a couple on here that went to see the uro about this.
thanks dudes

I'd agree with POM and consider SSRI's a last resort, but different strokes for different folks. I was on an SSRI for anxiety due to a long lasting health issue, then withdrew and had a hellish time. It wasn't until after this that I really experienced PE and had considered going back on just for that purpose. But then I remember how hellish it was and refuse to.

St. John's Wort, if it works, would be a much safer alternative. The other ingredients aren't necessarily healthy, but not much different than the crap they put in processed foods. Prescription drugs are far from safe themselves.


Anyway, POM, prostate and histamine would be the only physical aspects I'd know to test, so you'd have to ask the uro. You should also call ahead and find out what you need to do for your diet in order to have your histamine levels tested. Certain foods will cause fluctuations which would make the test inconclusive.

Physical causes are likely rare, but I still think PE is at least partially physical. Studies suggest that men with PE and men without PE have similar sensitivities, but I don't see that guaranteeing that all bodies have the same response to those sensitivities. Afterall, even the average man only lasts 3-5 minutes. Which makes human a sex god in the animal kingdom, as most last no where near that long.

Add to that histamine, reflexive pelvic muscles, anxiety and other aspects it makes it difficult to pinpoint an actual cause.

i tried bremelanotide last night, the effect was not spectacular as expected but it definitely did something; the side effects were redness in the face for about 10 minutes and a mild headaches for a few hours; i was a little nauseous too, but far from puking.

the dose was 1.5mg, next time i'll try 3mg;
all in all, i think it's good stuff; just don't talk with your doctor about it ; )

I would worry if something gave you headaches. That means it is having an effect either on your circulation (in a bad way) or on your neurological system-


That puts you at risk for stroke, blood clots, etc... which is probably why you advised not to talk to the doc!!

thank you for your concern
bremelanotide has not been approved for use in humans, so if injecting experimental chemicals is not your thing, you shouldn't try it; it acts on the melanocortin receptors in the central nervous system;

about headaches: anything can give you one, from a cup of coffee to a couple of beers; it's no big deal, really.

i just stacked breme with aspire36 (a nitric oxide booster) and it worked great; i was going to post a more detailed report, but somehow i got logged out and i'm too lazy to type it all over again; however, i'll mention that i added a durex performax (the one with lidocaine) to the mix and my dong remained up and proud; as i didn't have a girl to test the strenght ot my erection on, i hung a big, wet towel over it and i'm glad to report that my tool rose up to the occasion.

btw, i've had sinus problems for quite some time and i'm pretty sure that sertraline is helping me with that, sort of like sudafed does; has anyone else on ssri noticed that side effect?

georgia, i forgot to mention: 2 hours after taking the mix i started feeling a little dizzy so i went to the pharmacy to check my blood pressure, just for the records; surprisingly, it was a little bit higher than normal (i expected it to be lower because of the NO product); next time i might as well take it with grapefruit juice ; )

Damn, inTango, you'll just put anything in your body, eh?

Do you have problems with ED as well, or are you just trying to use things that maintain erections so that PE won't matter because you can stay hard afterwards?


Also, ehealth has a tendency to log you out quite quickly so I've gotten into the habit of COPYing anything I type before I hit Submit. If you don't and it asks you to log in...don't. Hit the back button first and what you wrote should still be there, you can then COPY it and go ahead again.

I have problems with ED too, caused by anxiety and antidepressants (there might be other causes too, this is what i can think of right now; however, the plumbery seems to be ok);

my approach on the treatment of PE is a strictly pharmaceutical one, i don't do the "what if i try flexing that lil muscle down by my as$" kind of thing; and one thing i've learned playing with prescription drugs is that there's no magic pill, once you decide going on some medication that actually does something, you'll have to either deal with the side effects or add more drugs and so on; pretty much like what those sings the MTA placed all over the new york subway (that's been under renovation for quite a while now) say: sometimes you have to go backward in order go to forward;

so, if the antidepressants cure the PE but bring the ED, it's common sense to stack them with an ED drug; based on my recent experiments ,i'd say bremelanotide is quite the daddy of all ED cures (for the records, i stacked levitra with viagra and levitra with cialis and all i got was a burning face and a bad headache); however, its downside (apart from any unknown side effects it might have, such as turning you into an alien) is that you have to plan it all well in advance, because it takes a few hours until you feel anything; and you have to do it at home, unless you're willing to carry around a small fridge...

what i'm trying to create now is a few alternative plans for different scenarios: let's say, if i'm sure i'll get laid, i just go with the heavy stuff; however, if that's just a remote possibility, i'd rather not waste the big guns, but i still want to be able to rise to the occasion.

usually i don't even bother with the "all natural" cures, and i find it quite annoying that you get so much of that junk when using a search engine; i just need something that works, i don't care what it is; however, it seems that at very high doses maca works pretty well, so that's probably what i'm gonna try next.

Did you have ED before the antidepressants?

Were you able to get erections alone or with porn? So as to say, were you only unable to achieve erections with women? If so, anxiety related ED is common for many men, especially with new women. It's temporary and can be alleviated with patience, talking, etc. and could probably be helped by some minor relaxants until you're relaxed enough to not any.

Dealing with side effects or adding more drugs to relieve side effects is not the only choice. You can try a different drug. SSRI's are notorious for causing side effects and withdrawals, but they're also notorious for being very person specific. Meaning that while one person does horrible on a specific drug, they'll be perfect on another. There are many choices and you could find one that treats your PE, doesn't cause side effects, and won't affect your libido either. The trouble is finding it though, as it takes time for their effects to work, and stop working. Side effects such as lowered libido can go away with time as well.

If you're set on using drugs, I won't stop, but be safe and learn about what you're doing and the risks involved.

As for being able to get an erection without notice, perhaps you should try some of the "all natural cures." Unlike Viagra, etc. they're something you take everyday, not just when you need an erection. Maybe they'll give you enough of what you need to push into easily getting erections. Stay away from ones with Yohimbe though.

The "all natural cures" are there because they're safer than drugs (usually) and don't require prescriptions or carry heavy side effects. You also don't risk such things as strokes, blindness, and permanent ED like you do with Rx ED drugs.

Also, how old are you and what's your health like? A healthy diet and exercise could always help too.

i'm 25, good health; i've been into bodybuilding for a while now and i know quite a lot about nutrition/ exercise/ drugs;

with antidepressants it's always a shot in the dark, but it's ssri that have been proved to help with PE and they all have the decreased libido side effect (i know, in some people they increase libido, somehow); plus, i have no other serious side effects, so i'll stick with the one i'm using for now (sertraline).

natural cures are so popular because ANYONE and their mother can mix together some random herbs, snake oil and tiger dic* , then type in small print "this drug is not intended to treat, cure or prevent any disease" and voila! you got the magic pill, all you need now is a bunch of desperate people to buy it; there are no scientists involved, no controlled experiments, nothing; you just get some pots and pans from a dollar store and open a business in your basement, then call it "SciTech Laboratories" or something similar;

true, bremelanotide along with other real drugs have not been approved by the fda, but neither has any of this 'healthy' junk you see all over the place.

about "natural cures" being healthy: plenty of stuff they sell at GNC can send you to the hospital and keep you there for a while; just because you can buy it without a prescription it doesn't mean it's harmless (and it doesn't mean that FDA won't ban it sometime in the future); btw, i've taken tons of yohimbe and it doesn't do squat.

you said:
"There are many choices and you could find one that treats your PE, doesn't cause side effects, and won't affect your libido either"
no, there aren't! and that's why PE is such a huge problem and there are so many people that would do anything to get rid of it.

the "patience, talking etc" is also bs; and i'm really not trying to come across as rude or anything, but if you read this thread (i'm pretty sure you did it already), you'll see that talk therapy hardly works for people who've been married for years and have fairly good relationships; and you're asking me to go find a girl and convince her to sit down and discuss my PE issues with me ?! even if i did find her(fat chance), being in such a relationship would totally leave me with some sort of an emotional trauma.

besides, there's only that much you can accomplish through practice: some guys had tons of women and still suffer from PE; and unless you're a shaman who's about to spend the next 30 years in a desert focusing on controlling ejaculation, i don't think you'll be able to voluntarily control it (it's like speeding up or slowing down your digestions, for f*ck's sake); and yes, i know that many people have gained better control as they got older and more experienced, but i also know that IT JUST HAPPENED; it's not like they made it happen.

For most cases of PE that are related to biological and physiological issues, (notpsychological stress), LastLonger 3 from herballoveshop DOT COM will do the trick. Moodmax boosts your sexual well being, pleasure, mood, and energy, while dopafibra nourishes your sexual health to maintain the stamina, naturally.

Is easily worth the money. I'm 24 and used to have premature ejaculation problems back in art college to the point where I wouldn't even talk to the girls in my class (and art girls are indeed GORGEOUS).

I found herbolove from a google search and haven't looked back since. It's worth the money, easily, I can vouch for it personally.

I typically prefer to take moodmax and vitalife 4, or just moodmax by itself, but lastlonger is a good combo.

It clears up exhaustion and PE issues, and as a useful side effect it makes you feel better overall.

herbolove is run by doctors, not marketers or salesman or fake "nutrition experts" and has plenty of articles explaining exactly why sexual exhaustion and premature ejaculation occur.

Herbolove products mix all of the herbs and vitamins together that are needed, rather than having to find the right mix yourself piece by piece.

At the same time, as a general rule of thumb, avoid anything that isn't made by the herbolove brand. They have a lot of generic herbs on there which I cannot vouch for.

!!! Also, SSRI's are a TERRIBLE solution for PE because they ARTIFICIALLY increase serotonin by forcefully causing your brain to grow new serotonin receptor cells which cause it to constantly crave excessive amounts of serotonin in proportion to the dosage, thus damaging your brain.
Inevitably your brain gets immune to the current dosage of the drug, which requires you to take more in order to get the same effect.

The Fact that these drugs are marketed to everyone as a cure-all is the ultimate pharmaceutical SCAM.

It creates a physiological addiction. Check out Google and Erowid.org for information on this if you think i'm full of crap.

And to top it off, I speak from experience in saying that SSRI withdrawals are about as pleasant, and as healthy, as an afternoon of electro shock.

You should only take SSRI's if you have serious CLINICALLY DIAGNOSED manic depression, bipolar disorder, or severe psychosis (which only affects less than 1% of the population, meaning if you're able to comprehend this sentence i'm typing to you without freaking out into a hysterical fit, you do not have these problems and thus you do not need antidepressant medication).

You can create the same or better feeling that ssri's give you, naturally, without all of the brain damage.

Personally, with much nail-biting withdrawal effects involved, I came off of SSRI's because I didn't like the artificial emotional numbness it gave me. I felt like a robot, and because of this grey feeling my sex life just wasn't as ravishing and fun and playful as it would be otherwise.

Since then, I just take moodmax for my mood and sexual pleasure, because it feels better and costs exactly the same as a prescription drug.

Find what works for you, preferably natural methods that do no harm and have no side effects. Either way, this is my recommendation.

Epic, but true. You can get moodmax at herbolove dot com.

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I wouldn't take drugs, but I absolutely believe that you are free to make your own choices. I only offer my comments and experiences as a way of providing information and options so that others have more info to go on and make their own decisions.

You want to take prescription drugs and that's your choice. I'm sure you'll find relief as a result as I know first hand that they work.

Hi guys! I haven't posted here in a while. I just found this on Google. This whole "ejaculation without orgasm" thread seems to describe my problem a lot better than simple PE does. I encourage all of you to check it out. I would like to post in the thread, but I can't register to post right now; I sent a message to the admin; they said they'll look in to it.

The bad news is, if you have this problem, they haven't come across anything particularly effective.