the Ultimate Premature Ejaculation Discussion (Page 131)

...my own follow-up.

OK I hadn't read this page when I responded to see Modern's comment about constipation. So there is that.

It's also worth noting at 150 mg I did notice a weaker erection and seen other posters (Yahoo PE forum) where 150 kills the erection and those guys have gone the next step adding an ED drug (in some cases only a half dose) to counteract the weaker erection.

From the site where I gathered my information about over-masturbation/PE there are some products that are suppose to lower PGE-2 and raise PGE-2 levels. Looks like a blend of 5HTP, GABA and a whole bunch of other natural herbs like ginko biloba. I am going to purchase 3 months worth and see if I notice any improvements. The price for the 4 months worth of supplements is close to $400 dollars but there are 5 different pills you have to take. I read nearly all the articles on Dr. Richard's site and he seems like a pretty knowledgable Urologist. Wish me the luck guys, I'll report in regularly. If you want to check out his articles and products you can go to cure-erectile-dysfunction.org

The supplements on their own must be cheaper. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about and all those ingredients have been shown to work by some people but I wouldn't want to give all my money to the guy who put them all together.

BTW I'll supply you my no-dairy pills for 15GBPs.

What nonut4pe always says about keeping the muscles in the groin area relaxed is of great importance, and mirrors in many ways the earlier contributions of John414. The weird (and wonderful) thing I find with tramadol is that it makes it much easier to feel 'in control' of when to ejaculate or not. Sometimes I will get the feeling I am going to ejaculate, but say to myself, 'no', relax my muscles around that area, maybe change position, and then can continue for a long time. Unmedicated once I get to that point then that's it - all over.

I am imagining that the Tramadol must enhance certain neurotransmitters which allow the brain to put the breaks on ejaculation, both consciously and subconsciously.

Increasingly I seem to be having better and more consistent results with sustained release tablets, despite logic perhaps suggesting that they would be less effective. Those also have a much more pronounced effect in the 'mood-enhancing' area, perhaps suggesting that serotonin is indeed the key.

okay so now I'm on more medication so I cannot safely take tramadol. I have started on an anti-anxiety pill called pregabalin and theres a possibility it might be helping a little bit. its not enough if it is doing that but I will keep you all informed on that one.

been doing more research and apparently the reason SSRI's are working for some people is not the actual SSRI but what it is doing to peoples oxytocin. according to an article I read studies have shown that prematurer's have more oxytocin and those that last longer have much less oxytocin. and apparently its known that oxytocin has alot to do with orgasm or something.

apparently the SSRIs are inhibiting some oxytocin. SSRIs do not work for me and maybe this goes some way to explaining why. if anyone wants to see the article please pm me (it seems to point to scientific studies).

does anyone know of any safe oxytocin antagonists? or anyway to reduce oxytocin at all? any hope of any scientists producing one of these anytime soon?

Jeanjeany,
I'm on gabapentin at the moment, it is supposed to be like pregabalin but they won't give me pregabalin because it is too expensive and I'm quite happy with gabapentin. It's not for pe though but for shaky muscles and excessive sweating, hello ladies!
I noticed a slight improvement on gabapentin.
About oxytocin, it's a hormone, I don't know too much about hormones but I wouldn't have thought we would have an excessive amount of hormones naturally.
Look up "post-coital hangover" on google and there are lots of articles on hormones and sex. Oxytocin has its own section.
It would be unusual of me not to slip in a no dairy reference, but you know what's full of hormones we don't actually need - milk!

chuchus the link with articles on the oxytocin confirmed what that article said. its to do with the amount of oxytocin surge during sex. non-PE'ers have less of it building up. naturally these are different in people (the level of surges), generally it is not to do with peoples diet.

I used to be vegan myself, and did not notice any difference. many people are vegan and if this changed such a thing on a common level it would be well documented. likewise many people who can last a long time drink milk.

it is a method people can try but like most of the stuff on here it is not a fix all by any means.

I pray that there will be a very good drug for this soon. god knows how mankind AND womenkind need it

Hello all, I've followed this forum for quite some time, dealing with many of the issues that have previously been discussed. I have taken a great interest in the subject and am considering doing a serious research project based around my findings. One of the major problems that seems to occur when studying this subject is whether P.E. stems from a psychological or a physiological defect. I am aware that there is no clear cut answer. Many sufferers claim to have an oversensitive spot or area on their penis. For these people, this physical problem has undoubtedly led to psychological issues such as performance anxiety.
I would love to know if the majority of you believe that your p.e. stems from oversensitivity and perhaps may be a nervous system disorder.
If so, where is your oversensitivity specifically located? (glans, frenulum, etc.)
Do numbing sprays, creams, etc. work for you?
Do analgesics such as tramadol or opiates like codeine/oxycodone improve performance?
And strangely enough, are you extremely tickle-ish, particularly in your feet? (nerve centers for the genitals are juxtaposed closely to those for feet and toes in the brain)

I would greatly appreciate if you would respond to this survey. Hopefully the results will be somewhat enlightening and may lead to further research in this area.

P.S. I am also interested in purchasing Tramadol online but am wary of dealing with an unreliable vendor. Could someone please P.M. me with a valid web address.

Someone earlier said they used something called control sex pills and they still ejaculated but they stayed hard after

well I tried them today and I was able to remain hard in a solo session after ejaculation. I didn't have enough patience or privacy to reach the next orgasm and I am hoping this is not just some freak co-incidence.

I think it does something to keep the blood flow in there after.

we need to all try the ingredients to find out which ones maybe work on there own plus its cheaper to get them ourselves.

the pill bottle says the ingredients are:

proprietary blend:
Oyster, 2 Deoxy-D Glucose, Barberry, Snow lotus, Bombyx Mori l., Ginger root and Saffron crocus.

if anyone wants the link to the original product pm me

BARELY anything has worked for me! and this seems to be working! I need to find a cheaper way to do it though by getting the ingredients myself

Update:

I have taken Tramadol about 10 times since I started it. It has worked every single time. I take 100mg and have sex 3-5 hours later. When I feel the slight buzz, I know its ready.

Sometimes it works great and sometimes a little. I ejaculate anywhere from 4-10 mins and once a little longer. If I felt like taking it easy and taking breaks, I could have lasted 30 mins+ on at least 3 occasions.

I will try 150mg soon just to see the effects. I have a feeling it will make me last 20 minutes+ which is something I really dont want, actually. Im THRILLED with 5-10 mins and more if I take it easy.

I used to last 30 seconds to 1 minute tops, no matter what I did. So for me, Tramadol is the cure.

I'll post back with the results of 150mg treatment.

A couple of days ago, mashedpotatoes stated,

"Many sufferers claim to have an oversensitive spot or area on their penis."

This got me thinking: I have always suspected the area where my frenulum meets my glans as an area which might be overly sensitive. I have tried Stud 100, China Brush and EMLA cream at different points in the past, with mixed results - one problem being it reduces pleasure and erection strength, leading to 'pushing' to maintain my erection, and thus yet more premature ejaculation (having said that, I have at times achieved a good delay with these methods). However, what about numbing selected areas of the penis only? Pleasure will still be stimulated on the bulk of the penis, but the 'problem area' will be numbed, possibly completely.

I tried this earlier tonight. It worked spectacularly well, but I must stress I'd had tramadol too, so it's a moot point how conclusive this is. Has anyone else tried this approach? I used EMLA cream. It allows one to target the application much more selectively than the Stud 100 spray, and also does not have that 'surgical' smell.

Anyway, sorry for yet another post from me! But . . . it's another thing to try. I am striving for perfection in this area.

Hi, I am a PE sufferer. Basically I can only last 1 minutes on top. PE is ruining my life. I can not stop thinking about this issue, and I felt alone and helpless for a long time. I felt home when I found this thread, and it is encouraging that so many guys works together trying to figure the solution out.

I tried several ways: Zoloft (only worked for few times at the beginning), reverse Kegel (just have been doing that for few weeks, and will keep doing), and Study 100 (also only worked for few times at the beinning, and it hurts her). Now I am very curious about Tramadol, and wanna give it a shot. But can anyone tell (or PM) me how can I buy the pills without a prescription? I do not wanna to see my doctor, and tell him/her that I wanna test it against PE.

I would be glad to report my progress if I can get the pills.
Thank you very much.

Every man is born with premature ejaculation, so having it is perfectly normal to start with. Controlling ejaculation is something you have to learn just as you had to learn to control your bladder as a child. We get taught to control our bladders but no one teaches us how to control ejaculation.

Do not waste time or money on sprays, vitamins, herbs, dietary supplements or drugs. This is a learning problem and these things will not help you learn to control ejaculation any more than they can help you to learn to speak another language.

There are a lot of high-priced programs advertised online but all you need is an inexpensive little book written by a doctor and sex therapist that has been used successfully for more than 32 years.

It is called "Lasting Longer: The Treatment Program for Premature Ejaculation" by Dr. Sy Silverberg M.D. For more information just google the authors name: Dr. Sy Silverberg M.D.

I tried 100mg of tramadol the other day and it made me disorientated and walk like I'm drunk but it worked for the PE in a solo session a treat. in what was me thinking I was knocking the first one out I actually couldn't cum, and normally I last just seconds. Haven't tried it in sex yet.

so now I've found 2 options that seem to work for me. Control sex pills (to stay hard) and tramadol (for condom sex).

control pills being the healthy option that doesn't make me disorientated but I really need to find a way to make it from the ingredients myself just incase they go bust one day.

I've discovered these tools after trying MANY things with little success.

with the tramadol its bearing in mind I am already on 3 medications already before it

Modern Lover,
I am only just beginning to skim the surface in terms of researching information on this disorder. I plan to collect data on personal opinions posted on forums such as these before attempting to submit a proposal to conduct controlled research.
Tramadol actually seems like it may be very effective in treating PE. It is an interesting drug because in addition to having mild pain-killing effects similar to those of other opioid agonists, it also affects levels of serotonin in the brain like SSRIs that have been prescribed off-label to treat PE.
The big setback seems to be the fact that the drug must be taken several hours before intercourse. Ideally, a drug that is effective and has few side effects will be developed that can work instantly.
Trying almost every variation of treatment (be it legal or illegal) available over the years, I have found that about 7.5 mg of hydrocodone ingested only several minutes prior to intercourse, is ideal. As someone who experienced problems lasting longer then 2 minutes, with the help a small dosage of this I can now delay my ejaculation as long as i please. The problem with this particular drug is that it is considered a narcotic with potential for abuse.

okay guys, I know I tried to this last year regarding an actual PE forum, but who would be seriously be interested in helping me create a forum where we can organize all this great information in this thread? This thread is probably the best PE thread in all of the web. But I don't think new visitors would want to sip through 132 pages (even though it's worth it). Anyone with any knowledge of running a forum or the like? I would really love to create a forum to organize this great information here. Thanks!

L-man

I was willing to help last year and I still am. Even a better organized version of this board would be more helpful to PE sufferers and an entire forum without limitations from ehealth is a great idea.

I don't have any forum running experience but have played around with creating one using the free site forumotion.