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May 20th, 2009
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Sam:
Your theory doesn't hold up to me. If we have high histamine levels which contribute to PE, then the release of histamine in the PE should make it worse.
Maybe histamine gets released from the tissues in the penis into the bloodstream?

The second time i feel my penis is definately less sensitive.

About my personal progress: i reported a success of five minutes, but i have fallen back pretty hard to starting level. Maybe even worse cause now i seem to have developed a case of ED as well. I had sex again after whole week of doing absolutely nothing (just drinking and partying, no sex or masturbation) The first time i came within 10 seconds of her stroking with her hand. Second time (one hour later or so) she could stroke as long as she want, i couldn't even come if i wanted to. But when i put on a condom i started losing my erection. Very embarrasing, and the fear that i'll lose my erection doesn't help much either... Second time this is happening. This morning i kinda "dryhumped" her, made a "shaft" with her leg on one side and my hand on the other, this way i lasted a couple of minutes. I didn't even wanna try putting on a condom in fear of losing my erection again.
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replied May 20th, 2009
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torbosk: yeah that's what i mean if getting released from being stored into your penis and goes somewhere else (bloostream i suppose) this might be why i last even longer the second time when im on l-methionine cuz there's not a lot of histamine in my blood to go back to my penile tissue
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replied May 20th, 2009
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Wait so you guy's are saying that for some reason when you ejaculate the histamine doesn't leave your body with semen but instead goes back into your bloodstream??? If that's possible, wouldn't it still keep your histamine high and therefore cause you to still ejaculate early?
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replied May 21st, 2009
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Actually I just thought of something that might help people out. Every once in awhile I'll still feel like I'm going to ejaculate early so right when I start to orgasm but haven't actually ejaculated I squeeze the very bottom of my penis with my thumb on the top part and middle finger on the underside between my anus and scrotum (sorry for the details!) and this pretty much physically stops ejaculation. Also flex your PC as if you were trying to stop urinating too. Hold this for about 5 seconds or so after you feel yourself done orgasming/"ejaculating". No semen comes out and as long as you continue having sex you still have a strong enough erection but the penis is extremely less sensitive. It feels as if it's the second time at it but instead of waiting 20-30 minutes you've probably only braked for about 30-60 seconds. It's worked a couple times with girls I've had sex with and they didn't even know what I did. It was just as if I pulled out for a minute just to kiss her.

It kinda goes against my theory of ejaculation releasing histamine which desensitizes the penis since no semen leaves the body but maybe the process orgasm initiate the increase of prolactin which decreases arousal??? This totally confuses me but it did help as a backup plan.
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replied May 21st, 2009
shower insight
hi all,
noticed that when going solo or receiving oral in shower (not nec hot shower) makes me go forever (hard to ejaculate) as opposed to ~30 seconds on dry land...

This has stricken me as a histamine issue so I have been taking 10 mg of allergy medicine zyrtec for a week without any significant results- will try l-meth and claritin soon. In the meantime I am curious if other people share the same shower experience as I do (PE not an issue in shower, johnson feels bit more desensitized, orgasm is also slightly different) and if these people were alleviated with anti-histamine supplements or medicine.



ALSO I searched around and did not see any feedback of acupuncture experience, feels like a good way to go... has anyone tried the acupuncture route, and what was the outcome?

PS- it is my first time posting here but i've been following a lot for a bit. I def have to agree with a lot of posters out there that the number one factor for PE is state of mind. even if you have found your miracle pill and you are really tense and worried that will take over no matter what. i know it's easier said than done but my experience with pe hasn't happened to me all my life (im 24), it's on and off, right now very on - i just know that with time everyone will find something that works for them but hitting yourself against the wall about it will not help one bit so keeping a calm and collected mentality is best (I haven't been good about that but you live and you learn)
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replied May 21st, 2009
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erections
definately have to agree that mine arent great and sometimes when im putting a condom on it isnt really hard enough. im single now so im abstaining and going to try and improve my erections with l-arginine whilst trying to detrain my PC.

i really think that part of our PE is that whether we realise it or not our PCs contract to support our erections because (in my case) we have mild ED from overusing our bodies neurotransmitters etc, or even from performance anxiety or just maybe when we're drunk.

try gripping at the base of your penis when you have an erection contract your PC and you will see what i mean.

sorry if i dont make sense, im really hungover
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replied May 21st, 2009
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SAMe
Would SAMe do exactly the same thing as l-methionine?

would SAMe equally de-sensitize the penis?
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replied May 21st, 2009
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deeds - i'm proposing that when you orgasm, histamine gets released from your penile tissue and goes into your blood stream. Histamine in the tissue is what makes it sensitive, not levels of histamine in the blood. But eventually the levels in the tissue will go back to being high if the levels in your blood are also high. I'm not sure if it's how it works but maybe since i have low histamine levels in my blood from taking l-meth, when i release histamine in my penis when i orgasm orgasm, there's not a lot of histamine in my blood to replenish the tissue quickly which is why it is less sensitive the second time. And maybe if you keep your histamine levels low by continuing to take l-meth you will keep the levels from reaching a high level in both your blood and your penile tissue.

dersu - i know what you mean and me and my girl have tried many times to have sex in the shower but i can never get hard enough in the shower but don't have problems getting hard not in the shower. and when i have gotten head in the shower i've lasted forever. don't know why this would be.
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replied May 21st, 2009
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sam89
No actually that makes a lot of sense. Good input. Lowering the histamine levels in the blood stream don't allow so much histamine to make it to the penis tissue and therefore make it less sensitive. I'm pretty sure histamine plays a big role in erections too. That's probably why some people sacrifice some strength in there erection in order to desensitize their penis. Now it finally all makes sense to me and I know WHY it works! Thanks.
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replied May 21st, 2009
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l-theanine
Well I've been trying to experience that root for about 2 weeks now. I'm on and off the l-theanine to see if the effects actually help with PE that much. So far I can't really conclude that the supplement works or not. Looking at my data on excel it seems like the day i'm on this thing i gain a bit more control but my body doesn't feel any different when i'm l-theanine. I also read somewhere a few weeks back that vitamin C helps reduce histamine. So I went on those supplements as well since vitamin C is so easy to find. The amount I went on was mostly 1000mg a day that didn't seem to help either. At this point what i've noticed is that during masturbation if the urge does come and I do a hard reverse kegel it acutally increase the sensitivity and the urge to go. But what i've notice that actually really helps is taking a deep breath and just relaxing the PC. Take a 50sec break then go at it again.

I am tossing the coin now whether to try l-methionine, magnesium and B6 or the Quercetin route. I've read up a lot on the Quercetin and its ability as an antioxidant but i'm not fully confident it will reduce histamine but that great of an amount. I am still going to continue my personal research with l-theanine for a couple of days before I do switch.

Deeds: this may sound weird but can you give a further explanation on your technique again from a couple of days ago. It sounds like the squeeze technique but I wonder if it would be bad for the balls. I tried it, it does work sorta but I'm not too sure if I'm doing it completely correct.

One last thing although I do consider myself healthy, I've been running like a mad man at the gym trying to increase that heart rate, and during masturbation I do notice an improvement in the way I relax as well. This may not be the case for anyone else but if it helps I mean why not.

For those of you taking l-arginine its great to take it before a workout/exercise it does help with ED a bit. For some of you it may take a week of being on the supplement for others maybe only 3 days but just keep going after all its a pretty big bottle.
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replied May 21st, 2009
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question
one last thing

For those of you on the anti-histamine route with the l-methionine do you guys actually see the different in erection? Is it that noticeable or can it be corrected with just a little bit of l-arginine?

thanks,
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replied May 22nd, 2009
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y122
Ya my erection after awhile seems just ever so slightly weaker. Nothing that I'd complain about though. That'd make sense though since there's less histamine in the penis tissue. Remember, like Sam89 pointed out, histamine in the penis tissue is what increases arousal, or at least part of the reason for arousal. I'm sure something like L-Arginine could help out the erection to counter whatever an anti-histamine would do.

Also about my squeeze technique, it might be the general squeeze technique that everyone talks about (I'm not sure). It's basically just stopping anything coming out but you clamp the bottom shaft of your penis and I make sure my fingers on the underside are between the anus and scrotum and not between the scrotum and head of the penis. It's basically just stopping semen at a point that's farther down the urethra or into your body whatever. If you clinch it at the end of your penis, it seems to just drip out after releases.

Remember my squeezing method is definitely not a cure but more of a last resort. Sometimes when I do it and actually stop the semen from ejaculating, I stay pretty hard and I think my body THINKS it ejaculated so everything's less sensitive. I don't know how it works but it definitely works sometimes.
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replied May 22nd, 2009
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deeds
is this retrograde ejaculation? if it is it might not be safe. the ejaculate that doesnt come out might have been redirected into the bladder
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replied May 22nd, 2009
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@ deeds or anyone else
hey deeds back in page 91 while you were trying the l-methionine route you said you weren't sure whether it was the magnesium that decreased the histamine or the l-methionine. Have you or anyone else out there tried magnesium just on its own?

thanks
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replied May 22nd, 2009
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122s suggestion
hey. I'm going to try taking magnesium on its own for a bit y122. does 500mg a day sound reasonable?

its hard to tell how much difference it would make on a low dosage possibly cause I don't have a girlfriend.

I have found an interesting site on magnesium. apparently it does say vitamin C lowers histamine aswell. scroll down for the magnesium bit.
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replied May 22nd, 2009
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@jeanjeany
yea vitamin C does lower histamine i've tried it on the level of about 1000mg a day, just taking those chewable Sunkist capsules. It doesn't really do much in terms of PE I've read some forums where people were using it as a way to lower histamine for allergies. They do see results but I mean most of them are allergies symptoms from dusts or w/e so I guess that's the reason its not working its not tackling our issues. I may try to go on at least 1500mg a day just to give it a go for 3 days but then again I really want to try something new. I did run through that site that's why I thought of using the magnesium just in case the vitamin C does not work
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replied May 23rd, 2009
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hugh10
haven't seen you awhile on this post nice to see you agree. The hardest part about reading this stuff for me since i'm not in sciences is understanding all this stuff. At time I am completely lost. But yea i totally agree with you, its really debugging the real issue of PE not by just guessing what it is because by mistake ppl who take SSRI's slows down ejaculation. I think SSRI's actually slow down ejaculation because one of its side effects is actually lowering your libido. Those are just my thoughts.
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replied May 23rd, 2009
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SSRIs
I think it has to do with the other effects the SSRIs do and not the serotonin one.

I've been on different SSRIs nearly all my life for other reasons.

y122 thats what the seroxat done to me just lowered my libido, i still cumd within 2 secs.

the one which i'm on now is really effective (apparently), sertraline. but It was because of the other things in it (through experience).

my body is now completely used to it so it's useless as a PE solver. when I first started taking it though I lasted alot longer due to this effect.

its described as the seperating your mind from your body effect and when I hit myself i'd only feel the pain a while later kind of. I think some people who smoke weed have the same effect (not me) and it makes them last alot longer. in this effect your thought pattern also slows down considerably (not to the point of dumb but your just more aware of all your thoughts)

another thing which does the same effect and people have found majorly delays orgasm is DXM (dextromoporthalin or whateva) which is found in some cough tablets.

unfortunately in my country and many others it is not sold anymore cause kids were using it as drugs Sad.

anyway does anyone know how to make DXM? if its the same effect i know for a fact it works. I REALLY need to get hold of some DXM

seriously this effect definately works. how do you make DXM seeing as they wont sell it anymore?
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replied May 24th, 2009
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QUESTION
Hey does anyone know where we can get this book on-line/pdf that would be great.

by Marcel D. Waldinger

Premature Ejaculation The New Neuroscientific and Drug Treatment Approach
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replied May 24th, 2009
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@jeanjeany
no that's not it, i read the article though seems to summarize some of the stuff I posted with the other link.
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