Re: My experiences so far Posted: 08-29-08 17:20pm
Goalie, just curious, have you ever
encountered any Erection or Low sex Desire
issues while on the Zoloft ? Or any
other Negative side effects such as being
very sleepy, or headaches or upset stomach
etc ?
thanks,
dj
goalie4life
wrote:
Hey guys I've been reading
the forums for a while and finally joined
to share my experiences.
Ive had PE since I started having sex at
16, never bothered me at first until a
college girlfriend made a big deal about
it when I came before foreplay even ended
(her mouth barely touched me and i was
done). I talked to my doc and was put on
Zoloft at age 19. Took a 25mg tablet once
a day and went from barely 30 seconds of
penetration to 3 minutes of fun (as fast
or slow as i wanted). I still found I
wanted more and asked the doc if it was
safe, he told me as long as I wasnt
experiencing unwanted side effects that I
could experiment and he would prescribe me
whatever made me happy.
I now take one 100mg Zoloft tablet once a
day. Intercourse is from anywhere between
8 mins and 25 mins depending if im really
horny and when i had it last. Oral takes
a good 10-15 minutes to get me off. Ive
also began doing kegels, 2 sets of 10,
holding for 20 seconds and letting the PC
muscle become completely relaxed between
reps. I do this every other day because
just like any muscle it needs a day off to
repair and rebuild itself to make it
stronger.
Those who have experienced worse PE from
kegels I believe there is a reason for
that. If you were doing hundreds of
kegels a day, everyday, your PC muscle was
becoming weaker because you never gave it
time to repair itself. Thus when it came
time for sex you had less control because
of a weaker muscle. Just like
weightlifting, if you work your arms
everyday you may have trouble lifting even
a normal amount of weight. Also, by doing
the quick contracting kegels rather than
holding for 10-20 seconds you were
training your PC to be hyperactive. So
pair up a hyperactive PC muscle with a
weaker PC muscle and you are on the road
for disaster.
I'm not an expert on the situation but I
have improved my sex life tremendously and
it gets better as I continue my kegel
routine. Also, for those considering
5htp, you cannot take it solely by itself
because your body cannot simply absorb
serotonin. You must take it with a
multivitamin which contains B6 and B12
which help the serotonin to cross over the
barrier and be absorbed into the brain.
Also pairing it with passion flower
extract and yohimbe may help as well as
these are the main ingredients in many of
the PE pills such as prolasta and others
of that nature.
I hope this has helped some people but
again I am no expert and every person is
different. Good luck
guys!
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SeverePE
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Re: Some insight Posted: 08-29-08 17:25pm
Be82,
Id like to chat with you if you dont mind
about your unique experience and knowledge
on ssris. I sent you a Mssg. to ur inbox
with my email address. Write to me when
you get a chance
thanks,
dj
be82
wrote:
Hey Everyone,
I've been looking over this thread
for a while now and its good to see the
collective collaboration, but I felt I'd
give you some of my insight and
viewpoints. First, I'm a medical studies
major and I work for a pharmaceutical
research company, so, as you might guess,
I'm very interested in this topic, not
only because of the science (or lack there
of) behind it, but because I too, have
suffered from severe PE. To give you some
of my own personal background, I'm
currently 26 but I started having sex when
I was 17 and NEVER had a problem with
PE... I could last as long as I wanted to,
even my first time having sex. When I was
18 I went on Zoloft, and immediately
noticed the slight decrease in libido
(only slight because I was 18 and at my
sexual peak) along with the fact that it
would take me FOREVER to ejaculate.
Here is where everyone reading this
needs to pay attention if they're
considering SSRI's. The mistake I made was
that I trained myself how to ejaculate
quicker (tensing all of the muscles
responsible for ejaculation), because my
gf at the time was tired of having a sore
jaw and/or vagina haha (its funny now
remembering back). My first mistake was
that I stopped taking Zoloft cold-turkey,
which I didn't know at the time, but later
found out, is a big no no. As soon as I
stopped taking the Zoloft, after being on
it for about a year, I IMMEDIATELY (the
next day having sex) experienced severe
PE. This reaction was caused by the fact
that I trained myself how to ejaculate
quicker while I was on the Zoloft coupled
with stopping the Zoloft cold-turkey.
I've suffered with PE since then to
the point where I stopped having sex and
even dating for years, because the fear of
it happening was overwhelming. About a
month ago, I started taking Lexapro and
have noticed a significant improvement,
and there is a good chance I will have to
stay on it for the rest of my life. I know
many of you are curious about SSRI's, but
you can not look at the experiences of
other people on this board and assume that
their positive or negative experiences
will be the same for you. Not all users
experience ejaculatory delay, but most do,
and to varying degrees. Some will only
experience the delay effects for a couple
weeks (as one of the other posters did)
and others like myself, may experience the
ejaculatory delay benefit of SSRI's
indefinitely. If you're experiencing
SEVERE PE and its interfering with your
personal relationships and mental health
(ie you're depressed), then I would
strongly recommend trying one of the many
different SSRI's currently on the market.
While the consensus is that Zoloft is
probably the most effective at treating
PE, many people experience undesirable
effects from it. The safest SSRI, with the
least amount of side effects, is
unquestionably Lexapro, because it is the
third and latest generation of the SSRI
family. I have had absolutely no
undesirable side effects from it and it
has even helped me with anxiety, stress
and it even helps me sleep better.
The lesson here is that you should
read all of the view points from this
board with a skeptical, but open, mind.
The relaxation techniques of the
ejaculatory muscles seem to work for some,
but may not work for all. Most
importantly, if you do decide to try an
SSRI, whatever you do, DO NOT train
yourself how to ejaculate quicker, even if
it takes you an hour to ejaculate haha!!
This will make your PE much more severe if
you ever decide to stop taking
them.
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goalie4life
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Re: My experiences so far Posted: 08-30-08 10:27am
I currently take 100mg tablets of Generic
Zoloft from online pharmacy. Otherwise
known as Sertraline. I get a 3 month
supply for the cost of 1 month at a local
pharmacy. I have had no unwanted side
effects, in fact since I am increasing my
staying power, whether it be the Zoloft or
the kegels or a combo of the two, i find
my sex drive increasing. This is working
for me and I hope it can help other
people. I just started the kegels about 2
weeks ago and like i said only do them
every other day to let my PC muscle
rebuild itself.
Like one person said above, do not fight
your arousal. When you tell a child not
to do something it makes them want to do
it even more. So think of it that way, if
you let yourself become aroused rather
than trying to tell yourself not to, you
will have much better control over the
situation.
This is a very common problem guys and i
still am not at the level i want to be but
i am confident if i keep up with the
kegels that I will get there soon enough.
So relax and enjoy sex, no matter how long
it lasts. This is what i do when sex
doesnt last as long as i want it to: I
simply say "wow that felt amazing i
couldnt help myself, let me take care of
you until im ready to go again". then
just go down on her for a few minutes and
go right back at it.
if you play it off like it isnt a big
deal, the girl will most likely follow.
of course we dont want this to happen
everytime but as we continue to progress
this is a way to avoid the shame.
Dont be ashamed of it guys, orgasm is
natural thing..if anyone should be ashamed
it should be the girls for not being able
to get off as easily as us. It would suck
not knowing if you were going to get off
each time you had sex. what a tease that
is. Take it as it is and put forth the
effort to change it, regardless of the
outcome enjoy yourself.
SeverePE
wrote:
Goalie, just curious,
have you ever encountered any Erection or
Low sex Desire issues while on the Zoloft
? Or any other Negative side effects
such as being very sleepy, or headaches
or upset stomach etc ?
thanks,
dj
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blahh
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Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 6
Posted: 08-30-08 12:26pm
Ive posted on this thread before but never
really got any feedback at all - il keep
this post short.
around 3 years ago i never had pe at all,
was always in full control and could last
as long as i wanted, however after a
relationship i had that ended with my
parters parents both dieing, it has gone
downhill. with my last partner i had mixed
fortunes. when i had been drinking
alcohol, and in some cases not even being
drunk i could last as long as i wanted,
sometimes without ejaculating! though when
im sober im back to my problem of
sometimes blowing off without even making
penetration. and it is these reasons why i
think mine is mental. i dont know whether
the alcohol helps me relax and thus allows
me to have more control or not. i would
really appreciate some feedback, thanks
guys!
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k1ng
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Nothing Posted: 08-31-08 01:21am
So I guess I am not the only one who
believes that a day off of Kegel's is good
for the muscle? And that strength wasn't
necessarily the goal, but control, and the
best way for control is by getting
comfortable with the muscle.
But may I ask if anyone else can tell me
how to perform a reverse-Kegel. I have
researched it and found a couple different
websites which try to explain it, but I
just don't really know how to do it.
Another thing is, you guys talk about
these SSRI's which is interesting, I have
done some things before in my past, such
as ecstacy which is the only time I have
ever been able to control my PE, it made
everything feel much better, but also gave
me all the control over my PE.. I kind of
wish there was a way or people were using
some things in ecstacy to possibly help
find a cure, or temporary fix for PE. And
yes you may be thinking well why would
they use that, its dangerous, but no,
experiments are done all the time using
various drugs for drug research, and not
all the chemicals in drugs are bad.
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pickford78
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My recovery Posted: 08-31-08 01:36am
Hey i finally got out of PE. I found that
when my legs were hardly spread apart my
muscles would push on my prostate durring
sex and make it hard to control. Try
spreading your legs out allot more and
have sex. Deep breathing will also help
you control your prostate.
Diet may also be a cause of this. If you
have great cardiovascular health this wont
apply but here's some tips.
-Carbohydrates. Some will give you
serotonin which is like the drugs that are
sold on the internet but healthy.
-Exercise. You gotta be in shape bud.
get running.
-Spice it up. Add some hot spices to your
foods. this can help clear out the
arteries to your prostate. good blood
flow means good sex and better stamina.
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babu_straight
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Tight foreskin Posted: 08-31-08 23:58pm
Hi,
I have a tight foreskin and i am affected
by Premature ejaculation. I dont have any
pains during masterbation. My doctor
advices me to go for circumcision and
saying that it will cure that.
Has anybody having similar kind of
situation? Please help.
regards,
BS
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babu_straight
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Tight foreskin Posted: 08-31-08 23:58pm
Hi,
I have a tight foreskin and i am affected
by Premature ejaculation. I dont have any
pains during masterbation. My doctor
advices me to go for circumcision and
saying that it will cure that.
Has anybody having similar kind of
situation? Please help.
regards,
BS
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OneDay
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Posted: 09-01-08 05:47am
Not sure about right foreskins sorry,
hopefully a solution to that fixes ya PE
Masturbated for like 1hr30 last night,
came close to the point of no return but
slowed down, relaxed and it passed.
Really happy All the way through
just relaxing my mind/body, taking deep
breaths, and concentrating on keeping my
PC mucle relaxed (Till it snuck up on me
in the end, but hey ) That site John
posted a while back was a big help on
that. Here it is again
Well, I had a mojor setback so I thought
it best to describe what happened and you
can all draw your own conclusions. I am
convinced this is a breakthrough for me in
understanding what PE is all about, so
I’ll explain that at the end.
(Very briefly, I’m 40, married, 3 kids,
great sex until PE started 2 years ago, so
bad I climax before entry. Have had good
success with exercises in Metz and
McCarthy “Coping…” including getting
her through to orgasm and coming when I
chose to in the last month or so).
Last weekend we hadn’t made love for
weeks and I am now away on work for two
weeks so I was dead keen to have a go
before I left. I felt we were going so
well with the exercises that we could just
freestyle, but she felt she didn’t know
what she was meant to do and stopped and
said so. I got tense and couldn’t get
hard. So instead of getting a “calm
erection” I jumped on top and started
rubbing myself on her and got instantly
hard. It felt so good and I had such faith
in relaxing my PC that I got carried away
and climaxed while I was putting on a
condom (!) Very upsetting.
What I realised afterwards was that I was
doing exactly the opposite of all the
training I have been doing. The technique
that has been working for me is focusing
closely on the stimulation, the sensations
that you are experiencing and not getting
yourself aroused by looking at your lover
or imagining the erotic movie scenes that
really turn you on. I was doing that
intensely and totally neglected to
concentrate on the sensations.
I can hardly believe how powerfully this
switch happened – I have felt totally in
control until this time, like I could take
any amount of stimulation, but the moment
I switched to partner focus arousal I just
totally lost it. I think this is the
essence of what staying calm is all about.
I know I have excellent control of my PC
and it is strong, but that control is
absolutely overwhelmed by being aroused in
an over-erotic mental way instead of in a
physical way.
Anyway, frustrating being away now for 2
weeks, but I promised myself (and my wife)
that I wasn’t going to go into a spiral
decline. I’m just going to go back a
step and keep having the great sex we can
now have until I get a better feel for
switching between physical stimulation and
“partner arousal” which is the thing
that sets me off.
I hope this stikes a chord with some of
you.
Jimmster.
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lotus_man
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Posted: 09-02-08 11:22am
jimster, do you get "calm erections"
before having sex with your wife? meaning
you guys stimulate each other as per the
book to obtain a "calm erection?" I mean
caca i get erections quick from my girl
just holding me and especially when we
makeout. i get a some precum after a
makeout session. so i guess my question
is, these aren't "calm erections" i'm
getting when i'm with my girl correct?
i just wanted to mention about the book
coping with pe and i have done some of the
exercises like jim has stated such as the
"calm erection." Relaxing/meditating
exercises, the touch/massage yourself
exercise and i just finished the "calm
erection" section. After doing the calm
erection exercise for the first time, i
skipped whatever it said and started
masturbating with my flesh light and
noticed that i was about to come within a
few strokes but i noticed that i couldn't
control my PM/PC at all. It would clench
whenever i went up and down with my flesh
light. although i did notice this before
i didn't think this was a real issue but
after some of the relaxation exercises and
the body massaging exercises, the book
teaches you the sensations of your body
and how your body reacts to certain body
parts being stimulated. it teaches you to
notice these things.
so i went back and did the relaxation
exercises and the calm erection exercise
about 2-3 more times. also i've been
trying to relax my PC all day as many have
done here. then again after obtaining my
calm erection and went back get my flesh
light to start masturbating. instantly i
was able to relax my PC. i masturbated at
an easy pace, just slowly up and down but
again my pc wasn't clenching as much as it
did before. i did this for maybe 8-10
minutes and towards the end as my penis
got my sensitive, i couldn't control my pc
any longer as i started to auto clench
again. i didn't come as per Jim's advice
but I'm almost convinced that relaxing
your PC is the way to go here. I know
this is the only the first week or so
doing these exercises for me but I see
hope and will continue to practice and
practice relaxing my PC. Hopefully I see
some more progress as I read on the book.
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John414
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Posted: 09-02-08 11:27am
lotus that is exactly how i stumbled upon
the pc relaxation technique it was with my
fleshlight. good luck i hope it works as
good for you as it is for me!
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shineabove
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Question on enzyte Posted: 09-02-08 19:01pm
I just found out that my guy was using
enzyte. They were hidden in his drawer
should I be worried? Is this a sign that
he is no longer attracted to me? Is this
is a sign that he is cheating on me? We
have been together for about 26 years, he
is 46 years old. Is this the age when men
start having problems with erections? He
never had any problems before, so why the
recent change? He now has a job where he
is out of town allot, so if he is
cheating, I wouldnt find out. Maybe I am
being too sensitive about this new find,
but I am worried that I will loose him,
either to someone else, I also worry about
the side effects this medication may have
on him.
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brad172
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Posted: 09-03-08 03:06am
blahh
wrote:
Ive posted on this thread
before but never really got any feedback
at all - il keep this post short.
around 3 years ago i never had pe at all,
was always in full control and could last
as long as i wanted, however after a
relationship i had that ended with my
parters parents both dieing, it has gone
downhill. with my last partner i had mixed
fortunes. when i had been drinking
alcohol, and in some cases not even being
drunk i could last as long as i wanted,
sometimes without ejaculating! though when
im sober im back to my problem of
sometimes blowing off without even making
penetration. and it is these reasons why i
think mine is mental. i dont know whether
the alcohol helps me relax and thus allows
me to have more control or not. i would
really appreciate some feedback, thanks
guys!
Hey blahh I think you first need to rule
out any physical problems such as prostate
infection or diabetes, especially since
you did not have pe before. If your pe is
purely mental I would think that you could
probably benefit from a good therapist to
help you work through whatever issues that
may be troubling you. I only say this
because your pe seems to have coinsided
with a traumatic event which is unique to
most other people pe problem. Most people
have pe their whole lives and are usually
not benifited this easily but in your case
I think it may. Anyway I would rule out
any physical problems first and then think
about working with your psychological
issues. Also most people have a delaying
effect from alcohol to varying degrees so
I do not beleive that it provides any
significant insight to the problem either
way.
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brad172
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Posted: 09-03-08 03:07am
blahh
wrote:
Ive posted on this thread
before but never really got any feedback
at all - il keep this post short.
around 3 years ago i never had pe at all,
was always in full control and could last
as long as i wanted, however after a
relationship i had that ended with my
parters parents both dieing, it has gone
downhill. with my last partner i had mixed
fortunes. when i had been drinking
alcohol, and in some cases not even being
drunk i could last as long as i wanted,
sometimes without ejaculating! though when
im sober im back to my problem of
sometimes blowing off without even making
penetration. and it is these reasons why i
think mine is mental. i dont know whether
the alcohol helps me relax and thus allows
me to have more control or not. i would
really appreciate some feedback, thanks
guys!
Hey blahh I think you first need to rule
out any physical problems such as prostate
infection or diabetes, especially since
you did not have pe before. If your pe is
purely mental I would think that you could
probably benefit from a good therapist to
help you work through whatever issues that
may be troubling you. I only say this
because your pe seems to have coinsided
with a traumatic event which is unique to
most other people pe problem. Most people
have pe their whole lives and are usually
not benifited this easily but in your case
I think it may. Anyway I would rule out
any physical problems first and then think
about working with your psychological
issues. Also most people have a delaying
effect from alcohol to varying degrees so
I do not beleive that it provides any
significant insight to the problem either
way.
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lotus_man
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Posted: 09-03-08 11:37am
John414
wrote:
lotus that is exactly how i
stumbled upon the pc relaxation technique
it was with my fleshlight. good luck i
hope it works as good for you as it is for
me!
thanks well i know this will be a long
journey just as it has for you. just
curious though, when you masturbated, did
you do it with porn? i guess this morning
i did the same thing as i posted above. I
tried to get my calm erection but after 20
minutes of trying i couldn't do it so i
used porn to get it up and guess what? I
couldn't control my PC at all and my penis
got super sensitive after like 4-5
strokes. so i slowed it down attempting
to do some reverse kegels but i eventually
came after 5 minutes or so but i could
have came after that 5th stroke. Unlike
the other day when i got my calm erection
and was able to control my PC and lasted
roughly 8-10 minutes before I couldn't
control my PC any longer. It just shows
to you that this will take a long time
before I can fully control my PC while
having actual sex.
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lotus_man
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Posted: 09-04-08 14:46pm
well i hate to make this a personal blog
but i will lol. So i woke up this morning
and again decided to get the calm
erection. it took me about 10 minutes to
achieve (man i didn't know it would take
that long, usually i get hard instantly
when me and my girl touch each other). so
then i started to masturbate with my
fleshlight. laying on my bed, relaxed and
legs spread. well i am happy to say that
that was fully able to masturbate for 17
minutes straight without even coming close
to coming. i stopped because i needed to
get to work, lol. i made a point to
really concentrate on the sensations of my
penis, relaxing my body and relaxing my
PC. I did feel a few auto clenches of my
PC but i remember during the session that
i had it few minutes of where the PC was
very relaxed. It didn't even auto clench
at all. In my first post in this page, i
mentioned that i masturbated for roughly
8-10 minutes at a very slow pace. well
this time, i decided to up the pace a bit
and started masturbating at a much faster
pace and I couldn't believe that my PC was
relaxed and I WAS LASTING. I was excited,
lol. Again I just started and will
continue to practice this and continue
reading the book. I haven't had time to
continue the book. all i'm doing is
getting a calm erection and then
masturbating with my fleshlight with the
goal of concentrating on my penis and
relaxing PC. I hope this helps somebody.
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blahh
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Posted: 09-04-08 19:12pm
Hey, thanks Brad for your feedback! im
going to my local GUM/sexual health clinic
next week as ive had some discomfort but
il definately get everything checked out.
my grampa recently died and was diagnosed
with prostate cancer which i know is
hereditory so il definately want to get
that checked out for any problems, however
a few nights ago i had sex again with my
new partner for the second time. the first
i had been drinking some alcohol before at
dinner and lasted literally hours, while
this occasions i managed to keep myself
focussed and relaxed for a change, and
while i felt the urge to climax before
entry as always i managed to understand my
senses and controlled them. i dont think i
did much different from any other times,
however I'l see how things go for me!
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PSSD Guy
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Posted: 09-05-08 13:39pm
So those who have had success with the PC
muscle relaxation technique keep the anus
relaxed and prevent it from clenching
during intercourse. But if it
involuntarily clenches whilst thrusting
then what do you do?
Also, would you guys say it is most
important to practise keeping the anus (pc
muscle) relaxed throughout the day so if
we notice it is clenched then we should
relax it? I know we all naturally relax
the anus or pc muscle just before we
urinate as it's extremely difficult to
urinate if the anus is clenched.
Yes, opening the legs during intercourse
makes sense as if the legs are closed then
I assume it can put some pressure on the
pc muscle and make it more difficult to
relax it.
Thanks very much guys.
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lotus_man
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Posted: 09-05-08 20:06pm
hey pssd guy. although i wouldn't say
i've had success with the relaxation
technique, i would say that if you can't
really control your involuntary clenches,
then i think it is its almost game over
and your penis is already sensitive. with
the two sessions i've had success in, i
achieved a "calm erection" meaning i self
stimulated myself without any arousing
thoughts or the use of porn while my body
is completely relaxed. i was able to
control my pc. the one time i couldnt
control it was when i used porn to get up
and was probably thinking very sexual
thoughts in which almost immediately i
felt my pc auto clenching and then i
couldn't control my PC at all, even with
doing reverse kegels. thats from my
experience and its really hard to control
your involuntary clenches. what you can
possibly do is what many people do to
fight the auto clench and thats to do a
reverse kegel. you can also do reverse
kegels when fighting your involuntary
clenches during the day as you are trying
to relax your pc. hope this helps.