Excellent post! (I'm biased, my area and all lol )

Personally I think late term abortions need to be carried out with as much care as any other medical procedure - the injection is supposed to be administered before delivery and so it should be!
If a baby is born alive due to a 'botched' abortion then it needs to be given the same care as any other premature - although homicide wouldn't exactly be appropriate there would be huge scope for negligence and, herfore manslaughter (gross negligence masnslaughter) if a professional ignored their duty of care. I appreciate that if the woman wants the abortion then that is her right but, if born alive, that is a person in it's own right. If it fails to respind to it (as one would imagine it inevitably will) then so be it but medical attention should still be administered if it is born alive - in circumstances other than abortion this would be the case.

If doctors are not willing to perform this then don't do late term abortions!

My opinion only, of course.

I agree.

One thing I would like to add is that the mother is absolutely not responsible for that child unless she wants to be. Many women would be willing to take the baby, but some women would not, and I personally think they dont have any responsibility to that child. It should be cared for and put up for adoption.

Hmmm...yeah, I think there's no option but to attempt to preserve the life of the baby once it's born, no matter how premature. At least make sure the baby is free from pain and is warm and as comfortable as possible. I've read of such babies being left to die without any blankets or comfort whatsoever, presumably because the baby dies quicker that way.

yes, I think that goes beyond "natural selection" and enters the realm of cruelty.

In the article it said that many doctor's are unable to perform the necessary shot. So, the question for me is whether more training is needed before proper blame can be assessed? If they are choosing not to administer the necessary shot, then yes, they are not providing proper care. If they are unable to administer the necessary shot then training and education need to be addressed.

I think if the doctor knows they are not trained to perform their job properly then they should not attempt to do those operations that are beyond their skill. If they do so then they should be prosecuted, as should the higher powers that allow them to do so.

ALSO, you must understand that these are not suction abortions that they are talking about, they are "labor and delivery induction abortions". These aboriton procedures are done for women with fetal deformity issues, otherwise suction abortion is far easier than l&d, and suction is used.

Why is a different procedure used depending on the reason for the abortion?

These are clearly late term abortions, which is why induced labor is being ussed. Because these abortions are so late, they are normally illegal for "on-demand" abortions. So, the only reason these abortions are being done is in order to end the deformed/etc fetus' life before it begins, so they do not go through a short, painful, possibly humiliating life. These abortions are done on wanted children who simply shouldn't come into the world.

I see, so the babies are 'born' so that they can be buried, is that right? It must be heartbreaking to give birth to your baby, knowing there won't be a cry at the end...

Yes, basically. That's why these cases are tragic; there is often nothing that can be done for the fetus to make it "better", and so the humanest choice is abortion before pain.

See Moo this is interesting how human physcology works. The woman goes to have an abortion so she wants to get rid of the baby. Then the abortion is botched and the baby born alive. Then the baby is thrown away alive and dies. Well she went to get rid of baby and the purpose was done. The only thing I see different is the way the baby is killed. One by lethal injection, the other by being thrown away. It just looks uglier to be thrown away i guess because you can actually see the baby taking the last breath while in the womb nobody can see him dying. It's homicide either way.

don't forget pro-choice think that passing through a vagina entitles people to have the right of living.

The baby was killed by being thrown into a trashcan, and that is wrong.

But firstly, these are not women who want to abort for early-term reasons. These women don't necessarily want to abort at all, but they are realists and know that it is the best thing for the fetus.



Wrong. The fetus is killed by lethal injection. The baby is killed by being thrown away.



No, it is "uglier" because it is a born live baby. Yes, that matter of biology matters.



Heck yes it does, if the baby is wanted.

Purest green-

Suction abortion can be done to 24-26 WEEKS, but many women with fetal deformity choose l&d abortion.

The reason they choose this is for 'closure purposes'. That was a wanted pregnancy, so they often want to hold the baby, have cremation, burial, or even an autopsy to find out more info about the disease.

L&D would be the only procedure in which a fetus could possibly live.

So abortion because of deformity.. Who are we to decide what is worthy to terminate a pregnancy? In china it is if a baby..Oh im sorry a fetus is female.. Is that concidered one? How about when science is more advanced.. Not having blue eyes or blonde hair? I'm sorry but first off I can't understand how any woman who is far enough to long to feel her child move can decide that because it is not perfect she is going to "get rid of it" In my opinion if your not ready to love a child for whoever and or whatever that child is your not ready to be a parent.

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion on the matter. I myself think it's far more humane to abort a mutant fetus than carry it to term - it's rather cruel to allow an innocent child to suffer just because the parents just had to have their holy almighty baby at any cost...including the child's comfort.



Actually, from what I read about a year ago, technology is being developed that allows people to select not only their child's gender, but the color of their eyes and what they would be good at (sports, art, etc.). It was a whole story on 'designer babies' from reader's digest. Amazing how people who support abortion are accused of playing god, but people who would screw around with biology like this to create a perfect little baby are practically saints.



Holy crap, I didn't know suction abortion was done up to six months. How can a fetus that large possibly be suctioned out of the woman's body?

I've never heard the opinion that people who would mess with genetics like that are saints Quite the opposite in fact...

Isn't it cut into little pieces first?

I believe that as much as possible is suctioned out, and the rest pulled out via forceps, including the skull which must be collapsed first.


This does sound painful, though the debate is up right now for fetuses of this age feeling pain or not, which is why it is so imperative that the fetus is injected first!