I say steal that dog!!! Good for you!!! I think it's horrible when people have pets they can't or won't take care of. They just have them sitting on their front lawn as a trophy. It's b.S.

If everyone just stood by and did not help those who are suffering (whether human or not), then the world would be in an even sorrier state than it is now. Someone has to be the protector of those that can not defend themselves, for whom the law is not on their side and whose lives are made miserable at the hands of others.

Birch - you're my bloody hero!

Give the dog to me! I'll take care of it! Nothing makes me angrier than people who abuse the defenseless. If you steal this dog then I'm with green, you're a hero! I'll even buy doggie supplies and ship them to you! If you don't want to steal the dog, you can always place and anonymous call to a local news station. They love stories like that here. Abused animals and how our governmental system doesn't protect them...

Isn't this the exact same thing that "prolifers" advocate? That the ends, supposedly "stopping" abortion, justifies the means - legislation, bombing clinics, shooting doctors, intimidating women? Or that by making abortion illegal (the ends), justifies the deaths of countless .women?

My parents were arrested for protesting outside of a chemical plant near our house. The owners of the plant had already shut it down due to faulty/old equipment, leaks, and other environmental problems. They wanted to set fire to the ground there which would have released mercury (among other lethal compounds) into the air and eventually into our water supply. My parents "trespassing" to call attention to this potentially fatal decision probably saved my brother's life and my own as children are usually the first to succumb to fatal environmental problems. Are my parents really no better than the corporation who tried to kill us just to make a few more bucks?

Damn are you schizo because you answered your question yourself in the first part of the post, so you are saying that nutjobs are all right as long as its for a pro choicer, how the hell is stealing a dog going to save anyones life, worst analogy i have ever heard.

Birch, you all know we're on your side here!

When there is visible abuse, and known past abuse, then I do not see how it is bad.

I'm going to use a gaming-refrence here, because I feel it applies to real life. There are different kinds of "alignments" in a game.

Chaotic-good - you're going to do whatever you feel like is the best desicion, no matter rules or laws. The greater good is more important to you; so you'll free slaves even if the local law says slavery is legal.
Lawful-good - you'll follow the rules no matter what they are; with the intent of using these rules for the greater good. But if slavery is the law, you won't free a slave (out-rightly). You'll go through the books to get the slave freed legally.

there is also lawful-evil and chaotic-evil. Some pro-lifers remind me of lawful-evil. They're following the rules, sure... but they bend them for their own dastardly plans. They're even happy when evil laws come into play, becuse that makes it even easier. Evil here is very clear: the restriction of human rights, the discrimination against groups of people, and the increased control of the evil ruler(s).

Keep it up guys your doing our job for us, eiri you use the word evil when it suits but claim that there is no such thing when its used by pro life [ can we say hypocrite ].The rest of you lot are really doing a good job showing how your values are, you are sat here planning to commit a crime over a dog yet think nothing of aborting a fetus, you lot care more for animals than human life and that is twisted but shows the mentality of pro choice, commit crimes because you know better than the authorities, encourage each other to commit offences, this thread has shown you lot up for what you really are, arrogant,hypocriticall criminals.The lot of you are sick and twisted you care more for animal life than human life.

Bad day .Cowboys?

No, I didn't say that at all. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy in someone like you condemning vigilanteism when many radical "prolifers" have no problem with their ends justifying whatever they did to bring them about .a.n.d even if it necessarily means the deaths of .actual .women.

It saves the dog's life and it doesn't end anyone elses. Conversely, making abortion illegal will neither stop them or ensure the safety of those who undergo them. In short, making abortion illegal (the ends the "prolife" movement would like to see) will not save one life and will actually cost many others.

And, if stealing a dog is not going to impact anyone's life (positively or negatively), then where is the harm?

That's simply because you lack the capacity to fully understand it without me using monosyllabic words.

Wow, I came on here and was totally surprised to see this. Thanks everyone for your support.

To humor you, cowboys, let me ask you just one question: what would you do to resolve this situation?

By the way, here's what is going on with the dog; we absolutely need to find a home for it before we take it. We have eight dogs and ten cats in our two bedroom house, and are not able to take in another. they are all rescues and have various issues.
I am currently lambasting the area for help. The problem is she is a pit bull.

This is the root of the problem with the .S.P.C.A as well. Inside info is that the organization is willing to overlook abuse cases with pits and pit mixes because then they put themselves in a situation where they will be forced to put the animal down. It's a big political issue here as well.

There is alot of other issues going on here as well. Politics I think play a big part in it, and I'm learning more and more about it everyday as my contacts get back with me.

In this situation there is a creature suffering and no one is doing a bloody thing. My hands are legally tied. It seems like you would stand idly by and watch. You are everything you say you don't support.

Giddy up, cowboys!

I'm decribing alignments from dungeons & dragons, cowboys. I don't actually mean "evil", it's the word that dungeons & dragons use... and I clearly stated it was a game reference, so if you're dumb enough to think that I was talking about real evil... then yeah, enough said.

next: Evil exists in a game. "evil" in the sense of a real god causing people to act bad, does not exist.

Moving on: We want to rescue a born dog. I would also want to save a fetus that was inside a mother who was abusing herself, but it's just not posible, and the best choice is for the fetus to die before it can feel pain. I want to rescue born children who are abused, anyone who is born and being hurt, abused, or mistreated.

Advocating crime is in fact a crime in itself well done to the pro human death group.

Advocating idleness in the face of suffering is a crime against nature. The care of sentient life trumps manmade laws.

I cannot believe you and cowboys are both so simple minded as to blindly follow manmade laws without question. I know you're both just using this situation as a lame excuse to bombast "prochoice".

It's not working; you both now look like ridiculous fools, and I didn't even have to say anything.

And I take it that you are included in that since you have just ordered Birch, a breathing, cognitive, self-aware, feeling, knowing, pain-feeling person, to kill herself. Well done, contradictive hypocrite. Does that make you one of us, now?

Kypros.

Haha! You win birch, you win.

Blind obedience is wrong.
Blind belief is wrong.

I'll answer that: He would turn the other way and ignore it. If it doesn't deal with saving some bloody fetus, it's not worth his time, effort, or resources. Besides, to him it's just a dog - a dog isn't worthy of saving (legally or not) because it isn't a holy beloved cancer-curing world-saving fetus.

There are tons of pit rescue programs. link to this site for addresses and emails

http://www.netpets.com/dogs/dogresc/breeds /dogpit_ter.html

Again, if you're not too far from pa you can ship her to me or i could try to pick her up. i'm very experienced with pits. i love them. they're my favorite breed. when they're not abused they're fantastic dogs. and even when they have been it's possible to work with them to get them to trust again. or even turn them into working dogs.

Sent you a pm.