Smoking Is Actually Very Good For You - the Evidence (Page 1)

This is from one of your sources

"health benefits of smoking
while smoking is synonymous with damaging one's health, a few marginal health benefits have been observed in smokers, reducing their risk of several diseases. It should be noted that the increased risk of terminal illness from habitual smoking is still widely believed to outweigh the benefits and should not be taken as evidence that smoking is healthful or beneficial overall.


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i think common sense would say that smoking is not a natural thing for the body. Breathing in smoke surely can not be good for you at all. That thick black smoke that soots up your clothes, room, etc. You can not possibly be arguing that smoking is good for you.

There might be some benefits, but those benefits can be gotten in other ways. Smoking is not the only answer. No matter if it is organic cigarettes or not, smoke is smoke. Humans were not meant to be breathing in smoke on a regular basis.


Common sense that is all it takes. When we over think things, or try to rationalize for our mistakes, we get arugments like up above. Common sense will trump arguments for smoking any day.

In regards to your comment on common sense. Milton berle once said, "if george burns can live 105 years smoking 20 cigars a day since the age of 12, why should I worry if it is bad for me?".

You have to be joking. That is like every smoker using the "my uncle fred smoked until he died at the age of 99 excuse". Every smoker knows of an uncle fred. Funny thing, is uncle fred is more myth than fact. Sure some live and smoke their whole lives, and smoke hard. But consider how many fell to cigarettes. Their numbers are much greater.

If you compare all the "uncle freds" to all the people out there dying of lung cancer or have died of lung cancer from smoking(during uncle fred's life time), one will see where common sense lies. I have no doubt that there are way more smokers who have died from cigars/cigarettes than there are geroge burns.

Again, common sense. I do not need a quote from some star(and who are they that we should be taking advice about our health) to tell me that if I put my hand on a burner it is going to hurt. Common sense will tell you that. So why is it so hard to believe that breathing in smoke, which is not natural, will cause you harm. Again common sense that is all it takes.

Common sense and mother nature can not be argued with or beaten.

The only thing that I know that it helps with is motor tics that occur in tourettes syndrome.

Understand what you are saying in terms of this" motor tics that occur in tourettes syndrome.". I think your spelling might be wrong. Not sure, but hey. I am pretty sure.,

"""it"". What is "it". Smoking, or nicotene?? Are we talking abour cigars, or cigarettes?? If you wanna pipe in here please be able to keep up with the conversation.

The phrase you are looking for is "turrets syndrome". And as far as nicotene is concerened when it comes to turrets, please provide some proof.

Yes, there are things that nicotene might be able to fix(i have my doubts, but will withhold judgment), but anyone with half a brian should be able to realize that smoking crap is not the best way to have nicotene enter your body.

Funny thing is the oringinator of this post said that "smoking is actually very good for you - the evidence
" which is very stupid to even start to believe in. Smoking is not good for you at all. Anyone trying to get off of nicotene addiction should not believe in such fairy tales.

Smoking is not natural, and therefore not healthy. Is eating rocks natural??? No. ....Right? So, how in the hell can smoking nicotene, a poison, be healthy for you. By simple fact, it is a poison to the human body, therefore, it can not be healthy.

Is this as good as it is going to get

LOL

I see DanDate made it over to here to talk about his slant on smoking being good for you. He was at another doing the same thing. So easily explainable to debunk what he says. I debunked it at another site.

You shouldn't sweat this guy so much.

By the way Makoto. Nicotine is spelled with an I not an E as in Nicotene.

Hajimemashite! Yoroshiku onegaishimasu

This post won't let me say hajimemashite?

Oic, it is because of the spelling in it spells an english bad word. I'll take out the letter I

Hajimemashte

ok dude you too lol

this is a retarded post....this person really wants to keep on smoking.

LMAO,

You still trying to make it sound like smoking is good for you?

Smoking is not good for you. Get over it! Smoking is not good for tourettes syndrome.

Small amounts of nicotine helps with tourettes syndrome. It is not smoking. It is nicotine. You don't need to smoke to get nicotine.

Reseach has shown that LSD may help people with mental issues, but that doesn't mean you advocate dropping acid.

Smoking is bad for you, period. Even natural tobacco.

The combustion of natural tobacco causes the person to inhale carbon monoxide and 400 other carcinogens and poisons.

Including but not limited to hydrogen cyanide, ammonia and carcinogenic hydrocarbons.

This isn't from additives. This is from the combustion of NATURAL TOBACCO.

Get over it!

Actually, I thought you were Dandate under a different nic.

organic weed, and tobacco and natural stuff like that arent as bad for you, but when you get the nicotine and tar and !**@! like that, thats what kills you. even just the heat from the cigarette burns your insides and messed up your immune systems and stuff, so nothing about smoking can be good.

These pro smoking statements are basically slants to make smoking look like it might be good for you. While some of it might be true. It is in a context that doesn't tell the whole story.

It is true that niacin was discovered in nicotine. Also it is true that nicotine is in nightshade foods such as potatoes, tomatoes, eggplants etc.

WhyQuit.com as an article talking about this.

Yes there is nicotine in night shade foods. The amount though is so small that there is no effect. It is a trace amount. It is so small in fact that when it was discovered in nightshade foods that they thought that the farmers might be using nicotine as a pesticide since it is naturally the tobacco's plant insecticide.


It is possible that if a person ate a very large amount of nightshades that cotonine( a byproduct of nicotine showing that nicotine has been metabolized) might be present. To be clear though, the actual nicotine would be so small it wouldn't cause the effect of withdrawal.

Also nightshade foods can be bad for people. Nightshade foods are the natural foods that seem to give people the most problems. People who suffer from arthritis, bursitis, eczema, acid reflux disease, lupus and many other diseases and conditions, are reccomended to remove all nightshade foods from their diet. Once nightshade foods are eliminated from their diet, a lot of people report improvemnet of their ailments.



While in trace amounts nicotine is no big deal, just like flouride, in larger amounts it becomes toxic. 60mg of nicotine(3 drops) can kill a person. So to use smoking as a health benefit is deceptive at the very least and saying it is dangerous is an understatement. It is like saying swallowing larger amounts of flouride is going to make your teeth stronger. When in reality, flouride makes a great rat poison.

To tell someone to smoke to get Vitamin B3 is ridiculous. Niacin and nicotine actually create different effects. Niacin increases the diameter of veins promoting better blood flow. That's why some people become flush when they take it. Nicotine on the other hand, restricts arteries. It raises the heartbeat by around 20 beats a minute and a chemical interaction in the body causes the body to release it's own stored fats and cholesterols. The carbon monoxide from combustable tobacco (natural or not) poisons the blood's ability to carry oxygen. A smoker who is thin, will probably have a higher bad cholesterol count and higher blood pressure and poorer circulation

People can get there daily need of Niacin just from eating fish and poultry. You don't need to smoke to do it. Smoking actually hampers Vitamin C. Also eating fish will give the person the essential oils they need.

Don't be too hyped up about Niacin. Niacin itself can be dangerous. If people continue to take Niacin at higher doses. Doses that it is sold at in drug stores, it can cause liver damage. Niacin in natural foods is enough.

We do not have receptors specifically made to receive nicotine. They are specifically made for the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. Nicotine mimics this and it releases a large amount of dopamine. Sound positive? Well the problem is, the brain needs to regulate this. It cannot regulate nicotine as it is a foreign substance(poison) so it has no other choice but to turn down it's own sensitvity to acetylcholine. This make the smoker rely a lot more on the cigarette to feel good or more accurately, feel nicotine normal. I see no benefit to hamper our own natural neurotransmitters only to rely on a poison to give us a false sense of accomplishment. To make us think we feel better when we do smoke.

Smoking does not make people calm. It only relieves withdrawal. A withdrawal that was never there before we smoked. This is what smokers focus on. The relief of withdrawal instead of realizing it was the previous cigarette that created the stress.

Read my post on Stress and quitting and you'll see the illusion that smoking causes smokers to believe about this.


I don't know about Swedish researchers and their findings, but nicotine hamper's Vitamin A and new research has shown that nicotine on it's own can malform cells, and might be tied to at least one form of lung cancer. Also most deaths are from circulatory conditions and not Cancer.

Now as far as asthma. I have a friend who by the way is a triplet. He smokes a lot of marijuana. He suffers from asthma. His other 2 brothers do not smoke. They have no problems. Their sister smokes cigarettes. She suffers from asthma. Coincedence?

Also their is a disease almost exclusive to smokers called Buergers Disease. It is a circulatory condition that causes loss of circulation, gagne green and amputation of extremeties. The interesting thing though is that when the person quits smoking before gagne green sets in. The condition usually fully reverses itself, but once they start to smoke again the condition comes back very quickly and with full force.


You can't argue with the fact that natural tobacco is better than major label brand cigarettes. When you remove most of the chemicals it will make smoking safer, but it will not make smoking safe.

Smoking kills cilia. Natural tobacco or not. By saying that firewood is harsher or that people cooked with it, doesn't make a valid point that smoking is good for you. Even if it is true, at best it says that smoking is not as bad as huffing away on firewood. Saying one thing is bad does not make another thing good.

He mentioned that smokers were the most social people you know. He's right, smoking is social, when you're around other smokers! Other than that, I see smokers as being some of the most anti social people around.



The HIV case is not the first that a person has had it and then become HIV negative. There are reports on this and researchers have found that it might have to do with some people having a missing part of a chromosome. This makes it so the HIV virus cannot attach itself to the cell and it ends up dying. The HIV virus needs a host. Scientists believe that it is the same missing link that makes it so that some people seem immune to chicken pox.


While research has shown that small amounts of nicotine produces positive reactions in research to people suffering from Parkinson's and Alzheimers and even Schizophrenia. One thing to note. Smoking has been tied to memory loss and depression. Most shizophrenics are smokers and 70% of those smokers are heavy smokers. So what came first? The chicken or the egg?

Even if there are no health hazards to smoking (hypothetically). Is being addicted to a substance a way to live. Is Smelling like smoke sounding appealing? Is paying thousands of dollars a year to smoke, for the rest of your life a great way to spend your money? Even if there weren't hazards to smoking, a person is still left with negatives about smoking.

He gives a few examples of people living long lives. There are 50,000 centurions in America. Out of all of them how many do you really think smoke? My great grandad lived until he was 97. He didn't smoke.My step great aunt is still going strong at 95 right now. She detests it. The real facts are that people's life spans are starting to become longer in general.

From my own personal experience, my life has become so much better since I quit smoking. I feel better. I have been able to buy new things for myself. I have more energy. I can breathe way better. I feel more confident and calm. I'm experiencing life alot more now. How bout you fellow non smokers?

Even if smoking did make a person live longer, who wants to live longer when they're not living life each day to the fullest? I have saved over 10,000 by not smoking. 10,000 dollars?! I would have spent over 10,000 for what?! Nothing!!


Eric

I have smoked about 1 pack of cigarettes per week. A far cry from some who smoke multiple packs per day. I suppose I could justify the minimal amount I smoke but I would be fooling myself. I had my last cigarette last Thursday. Since I smoked so little I have not had the the physical withdrawals others may have. With me it's more psychological then physical. I just take it one day at a time and keep thinking of the positive aspects of quitting: my health and staying healthy for my family.

My father is 78 and he has smoked about 3 to 4 packs a day since he was a teenager. He's in good health and it would be easy for me to say my one pack per week is nothing compared to his usage. But I can't. Everyone is different. It's all in the genes. Sure, maybe I could keep smoking and there would never be any long term negative effects but I don't know that. I've decided not to take the chance.

I expect I'll have some bumps in the road but in the long run I'm confident that I will never again light up.

ROFL ****, i gave up a year ago but im gonna start agin now.
yeah!