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Q: Misdiagnosing
asked by: Georgie on August 25th, 2003
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Okay but just remember this is my case not all people are diagnosed the same. I apologize for it being so lengthy but it is informative.
I don’t have anybody who is very supportive because they don’t really understand what I am going through with the pain, with the exception of my best friend. Shell recently lost her husband to brain cancer at the young age of 45. I try to support her and not let her know how painfully bad I am really feeling while showing her how to run her husbands trucking business and teaching her bookkeeping, but she knows and understands the pain.
In the meantime, do you ever get to the point where something is just not sitting right with you, and it just eats away at you and you just need to keep asking questions until you feel satisfied with the answer? Recently that happened with me so on june 25/03 I went back to my neuro-surgeon I seen during my stroke. Shortly after my stroke he moved his practice to north carolina, but recently moved back here. I remembered him saying things to me that just didn’t make any sense; I was on to many drugs (brain fog) to understand what he was saying.
It turns out that the neurologist (dr. D.) misdiagnosed me with fibromyalgia eight months before my stroke. I was referred to Dr. D. Because I started with a pain in the bicep of my right arm and armpit. I did not have the flu like symptoms where your whole body aches associated with fibro. After 2 months the pain turned into the worst head & neck pain from h**l that would not go away and no drug could stop the pain. No mri or ct or bone density test was done. He claimed that since I had this pain for such a period of time that I must have “fibromyalgia” and sent me to a rheumatologist (dr. R., the only rheumy in this area for 150 miles) who agreed with Dr. D. (by the way Dr. D. Is the top neurologist in my area, very well respected and nobody would challenge his an error until I met Dr. S. My neuro-surgeon) Dr. R. Told me that he agreed with Dr. D.’s fibro diagnosis and told me he could not do anything for me and not to go back to him. But Dr. R. Did have me go for therapy at his “clinic” that another doctor Dr. Dave ran for him for chiropractic, physical therapy and massage. After 26 weeks, 2 – 3 times a week I was feeling even worse than ever before. (i had also asked Dr. Dave if by chance I was having my neck manipulated for neck and head pain relief adjusted too much and he said no not at all, he would say every day was too much but not 2 - 3 times a week.)
eight months later, after the first bout of bicep pain and severe head and neck pain I had a stroke cause by a bone spur on the cervical spine affecting c5, c6, & c7 discs which is pressing on the nerves causing my migraine headaches. When I was getting my neck manually manipulated it was tearing the artery which finally built such a blood clot that it broke away and gave me my stroke. Since my stroke my body has changed chemically and I get severe allergic histamine reaction when I take any narcotic pain relievers.
(my misdiagnosis was because of my age, early 40’s, the Dr.’s said I was to young to have the problems medically that I have, ya okay just because of my age means they shouldn’t test for a suspected problem instead of labelling me?) forget age, I have a bone spur on the cervical spine which is pressing on the nerves causing my migraine headaches, at first there was nothing he could do to stop the pain, it was not bad enough. But now that the pain has gone down into the arms, hands and legs he can do surgery to remove the bone spur. (i have had to quit 2 well paying jobs due to the pain in the arms and hands.)
removing the bone spur before this point would have not had any effect on the migraines stopping. I have gone for an mri and ct scan recently and have to now wait until the end of august to get into see Dr. S. For the results (hopefully surgery to remove the spur), so I just have to suffer with the pain some more until then.
Note, Dr. S. Told Dr. D. That he himself did not believe in fibromyalgia and said that I did not have fibro. My blood pressure is normal, my cholesterol is perfect and I had no reason other than the bone spur pressuring my nerves, artery and veins for having a stroke.
This pain won’t subside; at times it hurts to breathe or move a muscle.
I guess what I am trying to say here is that we have to be so extremely careful in explaining to our doctors the varying degree and precise point of pain. I have now a clear understanding of referred pain. I also know how devastating it is to be labelled with an illness that is still so controversial such as fibromyalgia.
I am not here to bash anybody, but in my opinion I personally, and I am entitled to my opinion, do not believe that fibromyalgia exist to the extent that some doctors make it. Fibro = tissue, myalgia = pain, fibromyalgia = tissue pain doesn’t explain anything to me.
Most doctors will label a patient with fibro when they can’t find a problem rather than looking harder.
Times have changed the almighty dollar has taken over a great deal of our doctors and those it ($) has not are the good doctors who have to take the bad wraps for the bad ones. Once you are labelled with fibromyalgia the good doctors don’t want to fight the bad doctors but will try to help the improperly diagnosed patient without trying to cause a riff. I just don’t want anybody else to hurt as badly as I have been for the past 3 ½ years because of a doctors misdiagnosis of because of age.
Let’s hear your response please, I am interested.
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sharon replied on August 26th, 2003
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Fibromyalgie
Hi georgie, it's me-sharon. I just read your message. I feel so bad for you . Sad when my first doctor told me I had fibromyalgia he put me on 24-100 mg of motrin. I'm not joking! I never took that much every day, but there was some days I did. After a while I told him it just wasn't working. He told me to take more motrin. He was a top doctor in his fild also. I ask him to refer me to someone else. That's when he sent me to my first rheu. Doctor. Then I was told I had lupus. I thought , well I must not have fibro. Then. I was told recently that I have both. I'm not sure how that works because I thought lupus efected all of your body. I'm very confussed about that issue Confused I was only 41 when I was told I had lupus. Our age has nothing to do with our body. I got so.....Tird of people telling me that I was to young to have these problems. Mad it is very stressfull not knowing whats going on in side of us and haveing doctors disagree on what's causing our problems! Like with my stroke. I know I had one. But there was some doctors said no, because it didn't show up on their screens. Thank god I had a very caring very lupus knowledgable
doctor Exclamation I just pray you get some answers. I'll be praying for you.

Your friend sharon
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Georgie replied on August 26th, 2003
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I am so shocked, but shouldn't be, that he put you on so much motrin. You can give your self extremly painful migraine from taking so much motrin and any other pain medication. They are called rebound headaches. I can't stress how painful they are and you really just have to suffer with them. Once you start with them they are there for life.
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sharon replied on August 26th, 2003
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Motrin
Hi georgie,i did have a lot of headaches, but it's what it does to your stomach that did me in. When my rheu. Found out he told me to never take it again. I only take it when nothing else I do helps. I mostly suffer.

Sharon Smile
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Georgie replied on August 26th, 2003
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Sharon, have you tried advil migraine or exedrine migraine, they do help a little but a lot better if you wrap your head with an ice pack (soft style from pharmacy) in a towel and lay quietly for 1/2 to 1 hour. I suffer from migraines from hell.
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sharon replied on August 26th, 2003
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Ice Packs!
Georgie, sorry but no ice packs for me ! I'm very sensitive to cold things touching my body. It's the lupus i'm told that causes it. I come un glued when someone touches me with cold hands or if I have to handle anything very cold. It is not just cold feeling ,it's painfull. They explained it to me why, but I don't remember exactly. Something to do with our nerve-endings? All I know is i've come close to decking a few friends when they were only cutting up with me. Most of my friends and family now know not to touch me with cold things. I'm not able to take over the counter meds. It can effect my dilantin. I try to take tylanol-or if it gets really bad I will take motrin-800mg. I don't have them as bad as I use to. Thats one reason I don't use my inhalers like i'm suppose to. They give me headaches. About church. In texas I could sit in the lobby and watch on a monitor or they had a room I could sit in. But the church hear is much smaller and the way it's set up even sitting on the back roll doesn't help. We tried. Since we were knew to this church we don't know anyone. I have thought of talking to the pastor about it, but I know he would tell me not to worry about disturbing any one. Just do what I need to to be comfortable. I will try going again. Maybe on a wed. Night untill we get to know more people.I really like this church. The people are very nice and I truly believe it's where the lord wants us. Thanks for carring! Smile


sharon
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Georgie replied on August 27th, 2003
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Sharon, I forgot about ice and lupus, sorry about that. I just got back from my doctors and I am very depressed. Needless to say the visit was not in my favor and now I get to live my live as I suffer in silence from the pain and excruciating migraines. Right now I don't care if I get killed on my way home from work or not. Living life in this pain without any releif because I am allergic to pain killers is not very appealing to me. If I had the guts I would walk in front of the next truck that crosses my path. Life really sucks for me.
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sharon replied on August 27th, 2003
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Headaches
Hi georgie, don't you talk like that Sad my husband also has a constant headache. They have tried everything to ease his to no avail! But killing oneself is not the answer! His is caused from lack of oxegen to his brain. Also his blood is very thick. They do a phlebotomy( taking blood out of the body to releave pressure.) it helps some ,but not for long. He has his good days and bad days. There is an answer, they just haven't found it yet! Please don't give up! I'll be praying for you !!!!

Sharon Smile
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Georgie replied on August 28th, 2003
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Sharon, i'm just blowing off steam, I am so frustrated with being told "i don't know what is wrong with you but I can't help you" three years, three years i've been told this from many doctors. I want to run them all over with my hubby's truck and then back over them again and say I don't know why you hurt but I can't help you!!!
I have two choices here, give up and go into a pity me depressed shell or fight like hell and start by strength training. I'll choose the latter. And after I am in top physical shape and still hurting, I would like to hear there unacceptable answers again. This medical society has gone to horsecrap, yeah I said horsecrap.
I'm afraid at this point in time I have absolutely no respect left for doctors. They are all in it just for the money, nobody gets into doctoring for the passion or love of helping people any more, just like any thing else it all turned back to the money game.
I wish I lived back in the old days where waking up alive was a reason to smile, at least back then we didn't have the technology we have now that as far as i'm concerned is a waste. Wasting money trying to clone genes is ridiculous when there is so much illness, legitimately, that needs resolution and money to be well spent instead of experimenting with the unhumane stupidity. To much money is wasted on stupidity!!!
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sharon replied on August 28th, 2003
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Georgie
Go get-um girl!!!!!! Laughing i'm glad to know you still have some fight in you. I agree with you that most doctors are out for the money. There is a few good ones left. Key word is few! Not only do we need them to be carring, but we need them to fight for us. Not just pat us on the back and say hang in there. Talk to you soon.

Sharon Smile
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Georgie replied on August 28th, 2003
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Sharon this is a bit off the subject but how do you apply the smiley guy to your postings????
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sharon replied on August 28th, 2003
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Smile!!!!
Hi georgie, I ask the same question myself not to long ago. Put your arrow do-hicky on the emotion you want to use and click. It will show up kinda sideways next to your word without color. Just the fase. But when you submit your stuff it will be there in all it's glory Exclamation Cool try it.

Sharon Smile
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Georgie replied on August 28th, 2003
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Okay I will give it a shot Embarassed ohhh this is cool, thanks sharon.
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sharon replied on August 29th, 2003
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Emotions
Your very welcome georgie Smile
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MotherAngel replied on September 4th, 2003
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the Fight
Hi georgie and sharon this is motherangel(rita) I know what both of you are going through. I am only 36 yrs. Old and was diagnosed with fibromyalgia 12yrs ago. They spent 2 yrs before the diagnosis telling me that it was in my head and that there was nothing wrong with me. Then I found a doctor that believed me and ran all the test and sent me to a rhue. Doctor for a second opinion. At first they put me on all this pain med. That all I ever done was sleep so I told them no more pain meds..
I take strictly anti inflammatory and muscle relaxers. Because of the pain and the doctors telling me that I could no longer work I became depressed. You are right unless someone is going through it they don't understand. But when I was first diagnosed I had never heard of fibromyalgia before now I always hear about someone else around here with it. Now in my little town that I live outside of there is a support group that meets for a few months through out the year and there is about 3 ladies that has both fibromyalgia and also lupus. They have told me that there drs. Told them that it goes together but I have never heard of that before. I don't know for sure if they do or not but I do know that the pain that I feel with my fibromyalgia is terrible and I don't always make it to the support groups. I do know that you have to keep fighting with the drs. And just about everyone else to keep in control of yourself and your pain. Don't ever let anyone tell you that you can't do this or that because that is when the disease takes over and you lose. Just so you guys know my rhue. Dr. Told me that physical therapy does not work on this disease so I don't know which ones right but I do know that it does not work for me.
By the way, my dr told me 9-10 yrs ago when I was pregnant that I would be in a wheelchair in 5-7 yrs. Here it is my daughter is 9yrs old and I am not in a wheelchair and I don't plan to be because I do what I want and keep fighting.
Thank you for letting me say all this I don't know if it helps or not but at least I got it off my chest and I feel like someone is listening to me and understanding what I am saying


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Georgie replied on September 4th, 2003
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Hello rita, your welcome, I will listen and be a sounding board for anybody with any problem just to have them clear their chest and this does make you feel better just to get it out of your system. Now take a deep breath and sigh. Feel better!
Your right don't ever stop fighting, but I have to say personally for myself I don't believe in fibromyalgia. It is a label the doctors give you when they can't find what ails you. Pain is just a way that god tells us we are still alive and kicking ( Wink sorry I needed to say something humorous) and something in our body is out of sync. Yes lupus is a very painful disease but I don't believe that fibro is related to lupus as they claim.
Shocked as I said I don't believe in fibromyalgia reason is because fibro=tissue, myalgia=pain therefore fibromyalgia=tissue pain. And that my friend does not tell me a thing other than I feel pain and nobody can tell me why.
Twisted Evil it's a medical cop-out for a diagnosis because as long as they give pain a name nobody questions it.
Sorry but this is only my opinion.
Georgie Idea
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MotherAngel replied on September 4th, 2003
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Smile hi georgie, I never knew what fibro meant before until reading it in your post. I was always told and I also read that fibromyalgia dealt with your muscles, tendons and ligaments however if it means tissues then I don't know either. As you do, I just know that I am in alot of pain all the time sometimes I can handle it other times I can't and I end up doing nothing. But like I said before I am going to keep fighting whatever it is that I have whether they know what they are talking about or not. I have a very special man and 4 children to fight for and I will not give up. I enjoy doing to much with my family and as I said before I will not take pain killers so the only thing I can do is mind over matter to handle the pain. That is the best way I have found to deal with all of this over the last 12 yrs. I hope that you keep on fighting also and always remember that god never gives us more then we can handle.

Wink Exclamation I wish you all the luck in the world and I am also a good sounding board.
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sharon replied on September 4th, 2003
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Fibromyalgia
Hi georgie and rita, Smile
also welcome aboard rita! I was told fibro. Is in the muscels and lupus is in the joints and depending on which kind of lupus you have it also affects all your organs. All I know is I hurt and druging me to the point I can't funtion doesn't stop the pain Exclamation I even have to watch how much muscle relaxers I take or I get so...Sleepy I can't funtion either. I take half of one in the am and half of one at bedtime. I no longer take one at noon like i'm supposed to. In my opinion pain is pain no matter what lable they put on it. If putting different lables on pain in different parts of my body will help me get my disabilaty quicker then call it how ever many names thay want. I'm not a lazy person and I have worked hard in my 47yrs. I can't work anymore so I feel I deserve my ss. Without having to fight so hard for it. I over did yesterday and today helping my eldest son finish clearing out their house they just sold. Plus my youngest son and his wife are going away to christian affair this weekend and i'm watching their two dogs one cat and my two g-babies this weekend . I love them dearly but i'm already tired just thinking about it! Lord give me strength to make it through. G-son is 3 and g-daughter is 18mo.

Talk to you soon, god bless
sharon Smile
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Georgie replied on September 4th, 2003
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Various Types of Lupus
Sharon and rita, I have a very good site for lupus to answer most of your questions. I go to this site for my mother-in-law frequently when she has questions: www.Niams.Nih.Bov/hi/topic s/lupus/shades
also below I have copied from another source the various types of lupus and how each effects the body.

The term "lupus" is used when talking about many different forms of the disease. When someone says, "i have lupus," he or she could be affected in many different ways depending on the type of lupus present.
Types:
• cutaneous lupus: acle, scle, ccle, or dle
• systemic lupus: sle
• drug- induced lupus
• overlap: ra, myositis, sjogren's, scleroderma
• neonatal lupus (rare)
even within the same type of lupus, each case is unique, symptoms range from mild to severe and no two cases exact the same toll.
Cutaneous (skin) lupus: affects primarily the skin, but may also involve the hair and mucous membranes. It is frequently referred to as discoid lupus. Within lupus of the skin, there are types that cause different looking rashes and symptoms. These include:
• acute cutaneous lupus erythematosus (acle)
• subacute cutaneous lupus erythematosus (scle)
• chronic cutaneous lupus erythematosus (ccle) or discoid lupus erythematosus (dle)
other terms used to describe specific forms of chronic cutaneous lupus include: verrucous dle, lupus profundus, mucosal dle, palmar-plantar (hands and feet) dle, and lupus tumidus.
Systemic lupus erythematosus (sle): can affect any system or organ in the body including the joints, skin, lungs, heart, blood, kidney, or nervous system. Symptoms of sle can range from being a minor inconvenience to very serious and even life threatening. A person may experience no pain or they may experience extreme pain, especially in the joints. There may be no skin manifestations or rashes that are disfiguring. They may have no organ involvement or extreme organ damage. Most often when people mention "lupus," they are referring to the systemic form of the disease.
Drug-induced lupus erythematosus (dile): is a side effect of long-term use of certain medications. Some symptoms overlap with those of sle. Once the suspected medication is stopped, symptoms should decline within days and usually disappear within one or two weeks.
Neonatal lupus: is a rare condition acquired from the passage of maternal autoantibodies, specifically anti-ro/ssa or anti-la/ssb, which can affect the skin, heart and blood of the fetus and newborn. It is associated with a rash that appears within the first several weeks of life and may persist for about six months before disappearing. Congenital heart block is much less common than the skin rash. Neonatal lupus is not sle.
Lupus in overlap: the majority of people with lupus have lupus alone. Between five and thirty percent of people with lupus report having overlap symptoms characteristic of one or more connective tissue diseases. There are several well-recognized overlaps that may affect people with lupus including: lupus and rheumatoid arthritis (ra), lupus and myositis, lupus and systemic sclerosis (ssc or scleroderma), lupus and sjogren's syndrome (ss).
Georgie Laughing
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sharon replied on September 4th, 2003
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the Many Fases of Lupus!
Wow Surprised I only thought there was two types.I have systemic lupus. Thanks for letting me know about this.

Sharon Smile
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