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Q: My Theory On the (ir)responsibility of Multiple Abortions
asked by: Kypros on November 15th, 2006
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Of late, I have been thinking quite a deal on multiple abortions and came up with a conclusion on it. For example, I know a girl who, by the time she was 16, had about five abortions and a miscarriage (or four abortions and two miscarriages - something on that scale) and realised how bad it was, but it's not her abortions that are bad - it's the fact she was so uncaringly sexually active underage.

The I thought, imagine if a woman got pregnant and aborted five times because she didn't wear contraception. People would hear that story and think she is disgusting. Yet, if the woman didn't abort, and kept all five babies, there wouldn't be a problem. She wouldn't be called. Somehow I think this is wrong, and have come to the conclusion, that in the case of carelessness and multiple abortions, it's the pregnancies that are irresponsible and bad, not the abortions. It's the fact that she didn't wear protection and got pregnant that is irresponsible, not the fact she terminated every pregnancy. If women like this are to be slandered, at least let it be because of the pregnancies and not the abortions!

Any views?

Kypros.
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Carifairy
replied on November 15th, 2006
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Well, you do have a very good view of the whole multiple abortion scenario, to a point..

It is not even the pregnancies that are irresponsible, but the careless sex. It is my goal and hope to keep educating women about safer sex, but there will always be careless people. We need to show these young women why being 'careful' is so much better than being careless, we need to show them why caring about their body is such a great ideal.

I have had 3 abortions, but I was not careless, and I am married, so promiscuity is not a factor in the least. I have become pregnant on an iud, which is extremely rare, so I consider myself unlucky.

I now currently have another iud, and have had no problems with it! I surely hope that I will be pregnancy free for 12 years, but if not, I will have another aboriton.
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Kypros
replied on November 15th, 2006
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carifairy wrote:
well, you do have a very good view of the whole multiple abortion scenario, to a point..


It is not even the pregnancies that are irresponsible, but the careless sex. It is my goal and hope to keep educating women about safer sex, but there will always be careless people. We need to show these young women why being 'careful' is so much better than being careless, we need to show them why caring about their body is such a great ideal.


I have had 3 abortions, but I was not careless, and I am married, so promiscuity is not a factor in the least. I have become pregnant on an iud, which is extremely rare, so I consider myself unlucky.


I now currently have another iud, and have had no problems with it! I surely hope that I will be pregnancy free for 12 years, but if not, I will have another aboriton.


actually, yes, you're right - it's the careless unprotected sex that is irresponible, not the pregnancies (and definitely not the abortions). But didn't you say recently on another thread that one of your pregnancies was the result of drunken unprotected sex? Not that i'm berating you, just that everyone makes mistakes.

Kypros.
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msrosie
replied on November 15th, 2006
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kypros wrote:

actually, yes, you're right - it's the careless unprotected sex that is irresponible, not the pregnancies (and definitely not the abortions). But didn't you say recently on another thread that one of your pregnancies was the result of drunken unprotected sex? Not that i'm berating you, just that everyone makes mistakes.


Kypros.



yep, been there, done that and burned the tshirt. Everyone makes mistakes and I think it's more likely to happen with younger women (it was with me) but when I did get pregnant and abort, it made me a lot more responsible with contraception and I am diligent about it now. The one time in the past 18 years I didn't use it (we had a condom on the table right beside us but got carried away and forgot about it), I took the morning after pill.

Some women do get unlucky with contraception, though. I know a woman who conceived three times on the pill - each time her doctor changed the prescription to a different kind. She did not abort any of the pregnancies but I do not see that as any better or worse than a woman who aborts due to failed contraception.
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Carifairy
replied on November 15th, 2006
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Before I had my iud I used 'the sponge' coupled with fertility awareness, and it worked very well to a point.

One nite my husband and I had drinks and a little too much fun, and pregnancy resulted...
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Kypros
replied on November 15th, 2006
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You have been very unlucky to have fallen pregnant three times while on birth control!

Now, you see, at least you weren't careless. A woman could have 100 abortions for all I care but I just think protection should be used. Again, I don't think that a woman should be forced to gestate just because she was careless, she still has the right to abort in my eyes, but if she continually got pregnant and saw abortion as an easy way out I don't blame a doctor for turning their back on her. I think after 'careless' abortion #3 a doctor should be allowed to refuse to pay for the abortion if s/he wants. Then a woman can pay if she wants to continually abort.

Kypros.
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Carifairy
replied on November 15th, 2006
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Huh.. Abortion is not free..??

I think after 'careless' abortion #3 a doctor should be allowed to refuse to pay for the abortion if s/he wants. Then a woman can pay if she wants to continually abort.??

Medcaid does not even cover an abortion in most states... Women must pay for their own abortion.

My biggest issues is that I cannot use hormones, and that is my downfall..
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justgottaloveit
replied on November 16th, 2006
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carifairy wrote:
huh.. Abortion is not free..??


they are in the .U.K which is where k is from I believe.
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diamondsz
replied on November 16th, 2006
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justgottaloveit wrote:
carifairy wrote:
huh.. Abortion is not free..??


they are in the .U.K which is where k is from I believe.


as well as in canada but majority of our health care is free
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Tylanas
replied on November 17th, 2006
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Very good ideas Smile

i agree with the conclusions everyone has come to.

It is the careless sex -

(note: "careless" doesn't mean "sex with a lot of people" or "pre-marital sex". It means sex done without contraceptive devices, nor any plan to prevent a pregnancy. Have sex with as many people as you want. Just protect yourself. That's being respectful to your body and the bodies of your partners.)

- that is the root of the problem, in my opinion. I too am in favor of paying for "excessive" social abortions (.U.K) or having to pay more than usual (.U.S), or without aid.

Some people view this as punishing the woman for having sex. Well, driving while drink is a punishable crime, because you could kill yourself or others. Careless sex is the same thing in my mind, resulting in abortion or disease. Why shouldn't men .A.N.D women be penalized in some for for careless sex? It'd be harder to penalize a man, but that already happens when he has to pay child support.

People say forcing a man to become any form of a parent by making him pay child support is wrong. No, it's not. He had careless sex. If he wanted to make sure he didn't have an ankle-biter to look after, he should have worn a condom. And I think it's totally fair.

"aw, but it's my birthday hun! You'll do it if you love me!"

--9 months later--

"what? I don't wanna pay child support! You should have aborted or been on birth control!"
"well, it's not solely my responsibility now is it? Don't you recall what you said? Something about not wanting to wear a condom when you knew it was our only form of birth control? Now pay up."
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diamondsz
replied on November 17th, 2006
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eiri wrote:

"aw, but it's my birthday hun! You'll do it if you love me!"

--9 months later--

"what? I don't wanna pay child support! You should have aborted or been on birth control!"
"well, it's not solely my responsibility now is it? Don't you recall what you said? Something about not wanting to wear a condom when you knew it was our only form of birth control? Now pay up."



so true!!! Lol sometimes the truth is funny!

Woman shouldnt be held 100% responsible it takes two to tango unless your into more!
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