| eiri wrote: |
| no one is a hypocrite for learning new things and changing their mind. If new information came to light proving to the world that god was the giant spaghetti monsters, well, i'd be converting. I'm not trying to trivialize it, I truly mean this. The nice thing about having ideas and not beliefs, is that it is easy to change your mind, but it is a hard to change a belief. |
| birch wrote: | ||
on that note, if it comes to be that the christian religion is "correct" I will not be converting until I get some answers! |
| kia_breizzze wrote: |
| religion doesn't come into it for me.
I still haven't found a term for what I truly am on the whole issue. I mean, technically I must be pro-choice as I had an abortion after I was raped - almost 10 years ago. But, I can't accept ow some people use abortion as a form of birth control - the whole "yeah, it won't happen to me and if it does, then i'll just have an abortion" - that is what I find wrong. But I wouldn't want it illegalised because that would lead to back street abortions. What I want to see is people encouraged to wait, better birth control education, better sex ed all round - better prevention. Here in the uk there really is no reason to not use birth control. Your family doctor can not tell your parents (or anyone else) if he prescribes birth control meds to you. Birth control is free in this country to everyone. Sure condoms are priced in the shops but can be obtained from any family planning or well woman clinic free. With that availability I can not understand why there are so many accidental pregnancies. I believe abortion does have it's place (rapes, incest, severe medical risk to mother or baby, etc) just that it should be discouraged and be more of a "last resort" rather than the norm... Does that make sense? Kinda like if you injure your leg badly - you don't say "oh what the heck, amputate it", you try to see if there is a less drastic option first and then amputate if there isn't. ***edit to add*** also the morning after pill is also available free from your doctor or family planning clinic (in the uk) and even if you leave it too late for the map - the iud/ius can be fitted upto 10 days post coital to prevent pregnancy - so yeah no real excuses. |
| kia_breizzze wrote: |
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i mean, technically I must be pro-choice as I had an abortion after I was raped - almost 10 years ago. |
| kia_breizzze wrote: |
| but, I can't accept ow some people use abortion as a form of birth control - the whole "yeah, it won't happen to me and if it does, then i'll just have an abortion" - that is what I find wrong. |
| kia_breizzze wrote: |
| what I want to see is people encouraged to wait, better birth control education, better sex ed all round - better prevention. |
| kia_breizzze wrote: |
| here in the uk there really is no reason to not use birth control.
Your family doctor can not tell your parents (or anyone else) if he prescribes birth control meds to you. Birth control is free in this country to everyone. Sure condoms are priced in the shops but can be obtained from any family planning or well woman clinic free. With that availability I can not understand why there are so many accidental pregnancies.. |
| moo wrote: |
| abortion is birth control though - it's the ultimate birth control in that it stops you giveing birth! |
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| failed contraception, embarrassement to be given birth control, being unaware of where to obtain free condoms etc... This is the stuff that needs to be taught along with sex education, remove the embarrassement and then young people wont feel bad about obtaining these services. I know that when I was younger I had a split condom with my bf and I had no idea where to go to obtain the map and was too embarrassed to go to my gp because i'd never been or been told where to obtain these services. That's why we have the highest teenage pregnancy rate in europe because our sex ed is pathetic! |
| kia_breizzze wrote: |
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at the high school I attended we had sex ed with a wonderful old dear, who talked so openly about sex and didn't mince her words. She promoted the fact that waiting is good, saying no is fine, but if you're gonna do it anyway - here's how to do it safely. Her office was open to students at all times. Every lesson she had a marge tub full of condoms on her desk and in her office - you were welcome to take them at any time. |
| kia_breizzze wrote: |
| did this encourage sex? Maybe, maybe not - but the pregnancy figures spoke for themselves. |
| kia_breizzze wrote: |
| chools need more sex ed teachers like her...
I was fortunate, I know, but that level of education should be available to everyone. |
| paganangel wrote: |
| i'm getting more uncomfortable everyday with the whole pro-choice/pro-life fight. Honestly this is hard to admit (very hard, i'm hard headed and not quick to admit things at times) i've really came to see the pro-choice view better and i'm just not comfortable anymore trying to tell anyone what they can do with their lives. I've really started to realize this with a lot of the marriage/gay marriage debates. Once you start controlling one persons life it leaves you open to control other lives and i'm really see how this is wrong. I'm not saying "yay let's all have abortions" but I am saying that not everyone thinks like me and I can't tell someone what they should or shouldn't do.
I guess you all can say that i've opened my eyes. I am still very much pro-life for myself. I could never harm something that is a part of me but honestly I can't judge what someone else is going through. I don't know their pain and their hurt and their situation. I came here a long time ago think that selfish who*res were the only people who had abortions...I honestly believe that just isn't true. I'm sorry if my pro-life friends feel that I have let them down but I just can't worry my life over what someone else is doing anymore. We all deserve happiness, love and respect. I can't respect another human by thinking they are too incompetant to make their own choices. Okay that's all...I feel like a total hypocrit now but honestly I started to sway a little this way during the marriage debates and it's time for me to switch sides and go with what I truly believe in. |
| diamondsz wrote: |
| the last two posts are from the same person!
Why should she not change her mind, none of us have stated she needs to change sides because that is her decision to make and not yours! People have a right to make choice and for someone to tell her she needs to stay where she is, is like telling someone they need to regress in life! People who are open minded are pro-choice but it is possible to be prolife and still be openminded, some lots of pro-life dont see it that way though~! |
| phishx wrote: | ||
everyone that actually knows me knows that the last 2 posts are from the same person way to state the obviouse and as I know pagan better than anyone else on here I know for a fact that she will think about what really matters to her and come back over to pro life I havent told her to do anything but think about how she really feels the fact that pagan has not been back since making this post shows a lot of how she is feeling. I have never made any secret of the fact that fishx and diamond splinter are one and the same and don't intend to do so now it is just time that fishx was brought back to posting again makes it easier for lurkers to know who is posting what as I said i'm not sure if fishx is back for good or if I will continue to post as d.S |
| eiri wrote: | ||||
i did not know that phishx and diamond splinter was the same person. Next... What truly matters to her seems to be opening her mind and being able to consider the other side. She doesn't want to blindly follow ideals. She is finding herself actually considering the feelings of these women who abort; she is discovering sympathy. When this happened, she realised that her previous ideas had been too black and white; but that the issue of abortion is not. |
| eiri wrote: | ||||
i did not know that phishx and diamond splinter was the same person. Next... What truly matters to her seems to be opening her mind and being able to consider the other side. She doesn't want to blindly follow ideals. She is finding herself actually considering the feelings of these women who abort; she is discovering sympathy. When this happened, she realised that her previous ideas had been too black and white; but that the issue of abortion is not. |
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