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asked by: christy_babe on November 7th, 2006
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I'm 26 and have a 3 year old son. He was not a planned pregnancy and at the time I only kept the pregnancy because everyone went on and on about how great it was. About the time when aidan started to walk the people who convinced me to have him and who told me that they would help me dropped out. I guess people were only interested in helping a young woman with a baby, not anymore when the baby stops looking like a baby.

So, i've been trying to keep going to school for my master's so that we have some sort of real chance in life, both of us, which means I can only work part time, his daycare eats up what little money I have after rent and clothes, and most days I walk around smelling because I have so much crap to do without any help and i'm lucky if I get to take a shower. Pull ups, food, clothes for his ever growing body - all cost money I don't have and the local churches and "pregnancy crises centers" don't want to help me unless I either belong to their church or volunteer with them. But, who has time to volunteer when they're raising a child, going to school, and working all at the same time?



Aidan's dad quit his job and moved back in with his parents so that he wouldn't have child support taken out of his paycheck anymore. Last I heard, he was working at a place that puts all the pieces into model airplane kits completely under the table so my child support from him has all but vanished. His parents bought me a few things when aidan was born but won't take or return my calls now since I refused to move in with them or let them babysit. I just don't trust them and neither did aidan's dad until he discovered a way to get out of paying regular child support.



I started seeing a very nice man. Also a student in the graduate program on campus. We have been dating for the past five months and we both want to continue seeing one another. I was having trouble with the patch, mine weren't staying on right or would slide around on my body during the day and I worried that this would make them less effective. I got a prescription for a low dose pill but before I could start the first cycle I realized I was pregnant. Took a pregnancy test and had it confirmed.

I'm about 7 weeks pregnant. My boyfriend told me he really isn't ready to become a father to any other child but aidan and that he only became comfortable with that decision recently. I guess it would be very hard to accept someone elses child as you own.

I hated pregnancy with aidan. Loathed every single minute of it probably because I knew that I shouldn't be pregnant in the first place or shouldn't have kept it. I was never really maternal but with everyone telling me I could do it, I convinced myself I could. I'm not a super great mother to aidan but i'm good enough. I take care of him, I hug and kiss him, I play with him, he's not neglected or abused, I just find myself lacking in complete attention or blind devotion to him like other women act around their kids. I still want a life outside of the suv, minivan, soccermom crowd where adults talk about politics, world events, and other interesting topics. Diaper rash is not interesting.



And I really did not ever want to go through labor and delivery ever again after aidan was born. Being in massive amounts of pain for 19 hours was horrific and terrifying even with drugs. And that's saying nothing at all about the complete nightmare that is crowning. I mean 'ring of fire' took on a whole new meaning for me and I really wish that it hadn't. And whoever said that you forget about the pain was lying. Completely and totally lying. I am forever scarred by all of that pain. And when they plopped him on my chest covered in goo, blood, and god only knows what else - let's just say that it took me more than a few minutes to actually feel any warm feelings toward him and a few days before I felt like I loved him in any way.



This time I have told no one that I was pregnant yet other than my boyfriend. Last time I told my sister who blabbed her big ugly mouth to everyone and the whole thing just snowballed from there.



I'm a little worried about an abortion though so I came on here looking for answers. I've read through a few things both here and at other sites online and think that I would probably prefer a surgical abortion. From those who have had this procedure, would you recommend a local anesthetic or to go completely under?



Also was the cramping afterward managed well with over the counter stuff like tylenol or will I get a prescription for other pain medications? I don't have health insurance (aidan does-i don't) so will they give me a prescription for things or will they give me the actual pills? A local health clinic gives me samples of pills because the doctor knows that I don't have health insurance and can't afford a prescription so if I ask, can this work the same way?

Also who would you suggest I take with me? My boyfriend has said that he would take me if I wanted him to (he's going to help me pay for it since we both make so very little money right now) but one of my friends has had an abortion before and may handle things a little better? I don't know, did any of you take a guy and how did he handle the trip?



I guess those are my only questions for now. I actually feel a lot more confident about my decision to have an abortion than I did about having aidan so that's probably a good sign.
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bthomas
replied on November 7th, 2006
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You may qualify for free care at the clinic through the state, ask about that. If you have reliable help with aidan, and a ride home, go completely under (if finances are taken care of), I hope that's an option. Please feel free to email me if you need more support, or anything else. It sounds like you've made a very educated emotionally charged decision and your boyfriend is right by your side (sounds like a good man), so if he's willing to be your support, i'd let him, it may help him move past this too, and feel the same relief you will.
Good luck and look into any free resources you may qualify for.
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diamondsz
replied on November 7th, 2006
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Kids can be tough especially when you have you hands full, I know what your going through it right now, im working full time, going to school and watching my kids I have 2 but it burns me out and like you said somedays you cant devote yourself 100% to the kids.


You sound like your headstrong and I hope things work out!! Also happy to see a man who will a father to a kid who isnt his kudos to him!!!


Sometimes you have to think about the kid you already have and put them ahead of the game and in this case I believ your making the right decision!!!


Jess
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Becky
replied on November 7th, 2006
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It sounds like a bad situation to be in and only you know which decision is best for you. I sympahthise with how you feel towards your son. I felt like that alot when my first child was born I basically felt like I 'couldn't be bothered' with the whole parenting thing and just wanted my life back. I was diagnosed with ppd.

I hope you find the strength to do what is best for you whatever that may be
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sandyallen
replied on November 7th, 2006
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Have you ever applied for assistance? You might be able to get not only the assistance but the support from the father of your child and some assistance going thru college like a grant and it would help you and your baby if something were to ever happen and you could get insurance for you and your child. As far as abortion goes it sounds like you have made up your mind and it is your choice and I would if I were you go surgical abortion as it is over shortly, you can pm cairyfairy for more info on it she is great on the info for it but remember it is your choice and I do wish you and your son all the best!
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replied on November 7th, 2006
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christy_babe wrote:
i'm 26 and have a 3 year old son. He was not a planned pregnancy and at the time I only kept the pregnancy because everyone went on and on about how great it was. About the time when aidan started to walk the people who convinced me to have him and who told me that they would help me dropped out. I guess people were only interested in helping a young woman with a baby, not anymore when the baby stops looking like a baby.
i'm sorry that people treated you that way.

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so, i've been trying to keep going to school for my master's
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pull ups, food, clothes for his ever growing body - all cost money I don't have and the local churches and "pregnancy crises centers" don't want to help me unless I either belong to their church or volunteer with them. But, who has time to volunteer when they're raising a child, going to school, and working all at the same time?
I wish I could say that this is unusual but they did the same thing to my sister. In fact, our church gave a little bit of help in the form of formula that my niece ended up being alergic to but that was all they would do for her without her volunteering an insane number of hours for their program.

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aidan's dad quit his job and moved back in with his parents so that he wouldn't have child support taken out of his paycheck anymore. Last I heard, he was working at a place that puts all the pieces into model airplane kits completely under the table so my child support from him has all but vanished. His parents bought me a few things when aidan was born but won't take or return my calls now since I refused to move in with them or let them babysit. I just don't trust them and neither did aidan's dad until he discovered a way to get out of paying regular child support.
does your university have legal services for students? They should. My advice would be to seek them out and explain the situation to them. He is not allowed to stick you with the total cost of the care of your son. Call the legal services people and hear what they have to say about taking him back to court. I do know that there are precedents which may also allow you to take his parents to court if he refuses to pay but I don't have the specifics of that case in front of me to compare them to your case.

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i was having trouble with the patch, mine weren't staying on right or would slide around on my body during the day and I worried that this would make them less effective.
my friend had problems with her's too and ended up having to get on the shot instead.
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i'm about 7 weeks pregnant. My boyfriend told me he really isn't ready to become a father to any other child but aidan and that he only became comfortable with that decision recently. I guess it would be very hard to accept someone elses child as you own.
wow! It sounds like he wants to be serious with you and stay by your side. Hang on to that one, you don't find too many men like that around.

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I still want a life outside of the suv, minivan, soccermom crowd where adults talk about politics, world events, and other interesting topics. Diaper rash is not interesting.
i've seen quite a lot of isolation of parents in the world today especially when their ever waking moments and thoughts do not solely revolve around their children. Recently there was an article about a woman who came out in an editorial stating that she found motherhood to be quite boring some of the time. People jumped all over her for stating a truth. I think you're very brave to stating something similar.

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i'm a little worried about an abortion though so I came on here looking for answers. I've read through a few things both here and at other sites online and think that I would probably prefer a surgical abortion. From those who have had this procedure, would you recommend a local anesthetic or to go completely under?
if you can afford it, I would recommend going completely under. It seems to be the most praised choice. As far as funding goes, try www.Nnaf.Org. (all lower case). They have state by state guides to justice funds in your state. You might be able to qualify for assistance from them.

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also was the cramping afterward managed well with over the counter stuff like tylenol or will I get a prescription for other pain medications? I don't have health insurance (aidan does-i don't) so will they give me a prescription for things or will they give me the actual pills? A local health clinic gives me samples of pills because the doctor knows that I don't have health insurance and can't afford a prescription so if I ask, can this work the same way?
our providing clinics send patients with the pills that they will since our providers in the state usually see the poorest women in the state. Each clinic or private provider is going to be different. When you decide on one, you can give them a call and ask them. Don't be afraid to ask your provider or nurse any questions that you may have about the procedure or what to expect. If you have any other questions, i'd be happy to help.

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also who would you suggest I take with me? My boyfriend has said that he would take me if I wanted him to (he's going to help me pay for it since we both make so very little money right now) but one of my friends has had an abortion before and may handle things a little better? I don't know, did any of you take a guy and how did he handle the trip?
if your boyfriend wants to go, I would suggest taking him with you. You might need his support later in that day and it would be a good opportunity for both of you to spend a little time alone (even though you'll probably feel groggy afterward).

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i guess those are my only questions for now. I actually feel a lot more confident about my decision to have an abortion than I did about having aidan so that's probably a good sign.
if you have anymore questions, don't hesitate to post them or pm me.
Peace,
jenn
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sandyallen
replied on November 7th, 2006
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I apologize! Jenn .Smithson knows about situations like this too and is always willing to help!
My apologies .Jenn!
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christy_babe
replied on November 7th, 2006
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bthomas wrote:
you may qualify for free care at the clinic through the state, ask about that. If you have reliable help with aidan, and a ride home, go completely under (if finances are taken care of), I hope that's an option. Please feel free to email me if you need more support, or anything else. It sounds like you've made a very educated emotionally charged decision and your boyfriend is right by your side (sounds like a good man), so if he's willing to be your support, i'd let him, it may help him move past this too, and feel the same relief you will.
Good luck and look into any free resources you may qualify for.
i was getting my birth control drastically reduced under a state funding program but only where the mother's life is threatened will they pay for an abortion. I get some help from wic but my college and housing are all paid for through student loans that I will probably be paying back for the rest of my life. Aidan goes to the local head start program for about six hours each day and after that there are five of us who take turns looking after all the kids because we all live in the same crappy apartments on campus. They literally put us in the cheapest, most run down, and oldest housing on campus. On saturdays and sundays, a good friend of mine watches him for free while I work. Without her, I would probably have to drop out of school just to work more to pay for the extra daycare.
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what's your major?
thanks for asking, I am in the counseling master's program.

Yes, my uni does have legal services for students. I will have to schedule an appointment with them and right now, I just don't have the time. I'm already going to have to take some time off from work for the abortion. I don't know how much they can help me. My state is notorious for letting dead beat dads just walk away without paying. We'll see what they say.

The nearest clinic to me also sent me to that national network of abortion funds people too. They said that they would call me tomorrow to see if I qualify for help in paying for the rest of my abortion or if I qualify for an interest-free loan from them. Either way, my apointment is this saturday. The clinic is three hours away and my boyfriend is going to drive me in his car since it's newer and has better tires on it than my pos. The nurse there answered my questions and was very nice and supportive. Apparently it will be an all day thing because she said I have to go through counseling, then blood work, then some more paperwork, then an ultrasound, and then they would call me back for the abortion. I had no idea so much was involved but you have to do what you have to do.

My boyfriend has been super great about everything. Today he brought me flowers and he took aidan to the park so that I could have an hour to take a hot bath by myself. It was seriously the first bath that i've had in over three years and I loved it. He's just amazing. He also went out and found some poliurithane (i have no clue on how to spell it) condoms since he's alergic to latex. He said that from now on we'll both do what we can to prevent future pregnancies. I've been doing a little research about the iud and I think i'll get one of those after everything comes out alright from the abortion.

I guess we're both waiting for saturday at this point.

I want to say thanks to everyone who replied. It means a lot to me not to hear a lot of people tell me what they believe I should do when they know that they won't help me (like last time). Thanks for all of your support.
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replied on November 8th, 2006
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I personally reccomend iv sedation, or going under, it will make the experience painless and comfortable.

Wow, it sounds like you have everything pretty much figured out! =) you just have to wait to see how things will go as far as funding.

Yeah, a lot of the pro lifers at aboriton clinics drop out after a year or so, I see a lot of that =(

i work in an abortion clinic and have seen first hand what they do, and how it affects women later on. Many only offer care up to the first year, or until you give birth..
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bthomas
replied on November 8th, 2006
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Good luck! I admire how strong you are, and what a confident young woman you are. I'm also glad you have such a wonderful man by your side. I'm sorry the state doesn't offer you this service, in my state, (the medicaid equivilant) will cover an abortion for a young mom. I think an iud is an awesome choice. You are inspirational and i'm glad other women in your situation can read your posts here.
Good luck on saturday, let us know how things go
beth
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diamondsz
replied on November 8th, 2006
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Goodluck!! Hope all goes well and you get the funding, just remeber in a couple years when you finished your major you will have a good job and may be able to help other woman in this position!!!

Once your abortion is done your still welcome to come back, whether you want to hep other woman in your sitiuation or give advice its always wanted sespecially by someone who isnt sure. You can tell someone what it is like to parent as well as having an abortion!

All the best
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christy_babe
replied on November 9th, 2006
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Small update: I qualified for some assistance!
A reproductive justice fund in my state is going to send a voucher to the clinic for $100 which is about 1/4 of what I will end up paying. I have a small bit of money that I was saving up for aidan's next cold since it always seems that every time I get a little bit of money saved up, he gets an ear infection or something which drains my accounts.

I also talked to my mom a bit just the two of us. She's going to give me the money they usually give me for chirstmas early so that will take care of my half. My mom was actually very understanding and she agreed with me that this would be for the best. I got the impression that if I had gone to her the first time - instead of to my sister- that she would have supported me then too.

Does it make me a bad mother to say that if I had the chance to do it all over again, I would have made a different choice? I think it does.

Well, my mom and I are closer now than we have been in the past. My boyfriend already gave me the amount he agreed to pay for so that I can add mine when I get it tomorrow and keep it all together.

I'm anxious about saturday but still feel confident and I have to say that i've looked up just about all there is to look up on abortion in the past few days. I never before realized how many sites are purposefully set up to give you the wrong information or to scare you out of your wits. It doesn't seem like the right thing to do to women who are worried. In fact, it kind of pissed me off quite a bit.

Well, thanks again for all of the support and answers. I appreciate it.
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Tylanas
replied on November 10th, 2006
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I'm happy that you're being able to get what you need Smile
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Carifairy
replied on November 10th, 2006
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I do not think that it makes you a bad mother for saying that you would have made a different choice if you could have done it all over again. Many women feel this way, but they may not admit it so openly.

You are not a bad person at all!
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diamondsz
replied on November 10th, 2006
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carifairy wrote:
i do not think that it makes you a bad mother for saying that you would have made a different choice if you could have done it all over again. Many women feel this way, but they may not admit it so openly.


You are not a bad person at all!


cairifairy is right!!!

It doesnt make you a bad mother, I love my kids but I may have done things a little bit differently as well maybe got a better education and a better bf but thing never work like that you just learn from your mistakes!
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replied on November 10th, 2006
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Gosh no, you are not a bad mother, their is no mother that is perfect and their are a lot of women that would have done things differently if they could have the chance to do it all over again! We are here for you!

Diamondsz, I am sorry that things did not work out as great for you as you wish they would have, you can go back to school, you are not that old, my .Sister was almost 50y/o when she got her masters degree and I am sorry that you feel that you could have gotten a better b/f but their is no such thing as a perfect man but anytime you need to vent we are here for you!
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replied on November 12th, 2006
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I wanted to come on here again and just thank all of you for all of your support. Yesterday was quite an emotional rollercoaster for me so I didn't want to get on and sound like someone who had lost their mind.

We drove aidan to my mother's house yesterday morning before the sun or aidan was awake and left him there. On the incredibly long drive to the clinic, my boyfriend and I were able to talk a lot about what we both wanted. He kept asking me over and over 'are you alright? Are you alright?' until I got mad at him and said, 'would you stop asking me that? I'm fine but if you keep asking me that every five seconds I won't be.'

we got there early and I was surprised that there weren't any protesters outside. In fact, I asked one of the clinic workers where the protesters were and she said that they were a couple of miles away at the planned parenthood clinic. I asked her if they did abortions as well and she said no, they were just a birth control clinic. So, the protesters were protesting the wrong place! I don't know why but I found that to be hilarious then and now.

There were tons of people already waiting in the waiting room in fact it was standing room only. I lost count on how many times they called me back for some piddling little thing or more paperwork but they finally called me back, gave me the apron, and I was introduced to the nurse who would be there to hold my hand if I needed it. I don't know why I said I thought I would because as soon as they administered the anesthesia I was gone.

I don't know how long the actual procedure took but I was only out for about thirty minutes, maybe a bit longer, I was fuzzy at that point. I woke up in a warm, comfortable bed with a heating pad and a homemade quilt over me. In fact, if it weren't for the medical equipment, I would have thought I had woken up at my grandmother's house. After I got up, the nurse helped me up and into my clothes and I got to sit in a very nice leather recliner as they got all my stuff together to go. I got two months worth of free pills and a prescription for 12 more months. They also called the health center on campus to arrange the follow up clinic visit so that I don't have to make another long trip. With no health insurance, the birth control pills are within my price range and an iud is not. Hopefully, that will change in the future when I graduate.

Today i'm just a bit crampy and enjoying my very rare day off from work with my feet up on the coffee table. My mom is taking care of aidan until tomorrow.

Emotionally - I cannot even begin to describe how incredibly relieved I feel right now. Yesterday, I was sad that I had become pregnant, even a little angry with myself for not going to change my birth control when I knew it wasn't working properly. But today all I feel is relieved. In fact, I feel so good today that i've actually been giggling and laughing for no apparent reason. The only time I felt guilty was when I thought that I should. It's soooooo strange to feel guilty because I don't feel guilty. I can't even describe that feeling, it was so weird. My boyfriend is sticking around the house with me today and he seems to be just fine. He keeps asking me if i'm alright and I just keep telling him that i'm perfectly fine. And I am and I think that that's just incredible.

I am so grateful to the doctor and the clinic staff who helped me yesterday, the justice fund who helped me afford the procedure, my boyfriend for being with me every step of the way, and you guys for all of your great support and answers. I know I made exactly the right choice and I feel great about it. Thank you so much for your support and for not being all self-righteous or anything. I'm so grateful that you all were so wonderful.
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replied on November 12th, 2006
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Re: Questions -
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Tylanas
replied on November 12th, 2006
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You should probably read all the posts in a topic before posting, since she's already had her abortion and is extremely relieved that she did so.
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Kypros
replied on November 13th, 2006
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I'm sorry, but her body = her choice. And she was being responsible for her actions by aborting. Responsibility is taking care of a situation you don't want to be in and she took care of it.

Kypros.
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