No Sex For You! (Page 1)

that is ridiculous, this is what happens when you start to remove a womans right next thing you know men will be allowed to beat us arghhh!


I know this is in the states but how long before we feel it or how long before bush says we have weapons of mass destruction and enforces it upon us lol sorry no offense to anyone

it is not promoting prevention. It is promoting abstinance only (which besides the "ovulation days" method is just about as bad as no protection at all), and it is promoting the idea that premarital sex is bad.

Premarital sex is not bad. I wouldn't mind this if it were a prevention campaign, but it's not. It is an abstinance campaign, and that's wrong for a government to be in control of.

umm abstinence is the ultimate form of protection.

Maybe we should go back to old values and ideas about pre-marital sex.
Times when a younglady wouldn't hop into bed with her new boyfriend because she didn't want to be frowned upon.

I don't get why it is so accpetable to jump into bed without a care in the world.
Abstinence reduces unwanted pregnancy and sti/std's. If people really understtod the dangers and consequences then they would be less likely to wind up in bed in the first place.

Obviuosly nothing is going to get through to "everyone" but a reduction would be good.

who's values though? The christian's? No religion should have any say in whether or not we have premarital sex. No "casual" sex, perhaps? No; it is still a person's choice to hop into bed. Would it be better to stress the importance of not having casual sex? Yes, I think that is a far better message than abstinance; it does not call those who have sex "loose". But it's still not right. Parents should teach their children when to have sex, not the government.

she wouldn't, but if the boy had, no one would bat an eye. He'd simply be "macho". That's how it is even today. "oh man, he banged three cheerleaders last night! He's such a man!" "oh man, she had sex with three football guys last night! She's such a slut!"

it would, if people actually followed it, or wanted to follow it. But humanity has realised that it likes sex, and that with care, it can have sex without making a baby or spreading diease. I agree that more care mst be taken. But abstianance is not the answer.

i understand them fully, and I hve sex monagaously with one partner. I waited until I was ready for sex.

we're talking about the real world here. 90% of adults have had sex.

If you only teach abstinace in a school, then no one will know about protection for when they do have sex - and it will happen. Most people end up having sex at least one time in their life when the goal is not a child, but orgasm. For this one time, protection is needed. Not informing young people of this protection is heresy. He president wants to remove all other forms of birth control from being taught in our school. I can't wait to see the teen pregnancy rates skyrocket.

Abstinance was included in the curriculum of my school's health program, and it was mentioned that absitnance is the only true, 100% way of preventing pregnancy. Then, the teacher moved on and talked about real forms of birth control. She stressed that the pull out menthod is not good, and that the ovulation-tracking method isn't very good on its own either (though better than nothing).

My school's program included everything from abstinance to iud's, and stressed the use of condoms to not only prevent pregnancy but also to prevent the spread of disease. I feel all schools should take a page out of my highschool's book and teach health the same way they did.

no, they shouldn't be religious values at all.
They should be values of self worth and respect. And yes these should be taught by parents, but a lot of parents are sadly lacking in this information themselves.

actually, if you go back to old values then it wasn't acceptable for him either.

if people were taught values of self respect and self worth they would want to follow it. Abstinence is the answer to a degree - it is not the whole answer but it is as part of a bigger picture.

my bad in explaining here - I meant as in less likely to wind up in bed as quickly and with so little care or concern

i didn't say anything about only teaching abstinence - I said I agree with promoting it.

well of course they will.

i can assure you my school had a fantastic and extensive sex ed program.
The tutor also provided free condoms in her room at all times, yet she still promoted abstinence.

yes, I have always been for any form of prevention, birth control should be free in all countries as should the education on how to use it effectively and correctly.

the same as birth control - nothing. But that doesn't mean they can choose to abstein at any point in the future, same as they can choose to start using birth control.
Kids and adults need to know, just because they said yes once - they don't have to keep saying yes.

peer pressure has a big part to play, as does todays culture of kids being treated as "mini adults" - they aren't adults they are kids - treat them like one (and that doesn't mean without respect).

this is all well and good for teens who don't have the rights to demand that they be respected and have the facts available to them that affirm their intelligence and dignity since in the us, teens don't have any rights until they are 18. However, the article and the money are going toward trying to get adults to abstain. Over 90% of the adult population has sex whether they are married or not. Spending money that we don't have on a program that is laughably out of touch with reality is a gross waste and is disrespectful to adults. It's one thing to disrespect children in the us, we do it all the time, it's quite another thing to try and infantilize adults and tell them what they should and should not be doing in their own bedrooms.

but it's not doing that, at least that's not how I see it.
I don't see this as taking away any rights, I see it as educating people and it's nothing to do with infantising anyone.

Many adults have sex because they have had sex in the past and because in todays society it has become the accpeted norm to have sex.

This aims to promote abstinence. Just because you had sex before doesn't mean you have to keep saying yes, even if your best friend is screwing everything that will stand still long enough - you still don't have to say yes.

Yes, birth control should be freely available and the education to go with it also, but people should also have respect for sex and for themselves and if that means nationwide education and promotion of abstinence - if it can prevent unwanted pregnancy in a fraction of the people then it has been worth it.

It's all very well having these "rights" but before you get let loose with them you should be properly educated.

Now, many of you reading this will be educated, will know how to protect yourself - but this isn't aimed at you, this is aimed at the 1000's and 1000's of people who do not understand how to use birth control effectively or at all.

I'm a little concerned at pro-choicers seemingly being against prevention.

I'm a fence sitter on the whole thing, but i'd really market prevention (in any form) than anything else.

yes, that's just it! It is the normal thing to do now. And the government is flying in the face of what our culture and society accepts. Isn't our government supposed to be for the people, not against them?

it aims to promote abstinance first, and then to slowly remove all discussion of contraception from schools. The government already gives schools incentives for teaching abstinnce-only. I find it appaling that the government pays a school to under-educate its students. znd the majority of people don't like this.

it has been shown that the teaching of absitnance does not decrease the number of teen pregnancies in schools.

it's aimed at highschool students... And their parents should be their primary source of ethical training on when to have sex, not the government.

we're against the promotion solely of abstinance and a loss of education in other forms of birth control in schools because we know it is coming, when stuff like this starts happening.

i already told you opinions on this

should! But how can parents teach their kids values they themselves don't have??

that is speculation.
You should be for any form of prevention. I personally think you're taking it a bit too far.
Abstinence is the perfect birth control - fact
if an abstinence campaign causes some kids to wait a bit longer before having sex - that is good.
I just feel from some replies as if you want to encourage sex, because if people want to do it why shouldn't they?
It's not like that. People do it because they feel it is wrong to say no.
That shouldn't be accepted by society. Respect for oneself and absteining from sex are not bad things, but you're making it sound as if it is.

Yes, parents should be a primary source, but they can't teach what they haven't learnt, most parents don't have the resources that the governement do, and it is the governments job to make sure the people know the risks of what we face in society today.

Encouraging abstinence is not taking away anyone's rights.
I mean how far will you go on that route? Is promoting a healthy diet trying to take away people's rights?

Things that are scientifically healthy should be promoted. People still can choose to ignore those things if they wish to do so.

true abstinence is the only b/c method that is 100%

what if people dont want to abstain what is the point?

kia, the thing is they are trying to promote absitnence for people who are in healthy relationships, people who are already sexually active. Its okay for them to try and reach that 10% but th 90% that want to continue have that right. The thing is it is a waste of money, like you said why not promote healthy easting now that is investment and could save hospitals money because people will be healthier!

lol soon as I saw your post I started thinking of animals lol!


Its like the commercial for the capital one card where they have their hand in their pocket :d next it will be a governemen official attached to your ear saying dont do it cause its bad lol! <chuckles>

condom 7$
massage oil12$
senator 50k
having sex with him beside you whispering>priceless

i have no loss of respect for myself, my boyfriend, or any other person who has sex. Maybe you lose respect for people after they have sex, but most people don't.

well if the parents don't have the values, then obviously they are not values the society needs any more. I know I am going to teach my child abstinance until they are an adult. One they are an adult and in love, sex is their choice.

thanks for telling me what I should think and feel.

unless you're having sex. So now what?

uh, no. I'm not encouraging it, but I also refuse to tell any adult that they should not engage in a free, harmless act, as long as they are safe and careful and responsible.

the thing is, this campaign is not aimed at kids.


It is aimed at adults, between 20 and 30 years old.

These are adults, who already have their own morals, they alredy know how they feel about sex and they are mature adults who can make their own desicions!

No one should be telling an adult that they should abstain.


And you know that the root of this is in christianity. It is, there's no denying it.