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Q: Abortion Is Not Legalized homicide
asked by: diamondsz on November 4th, 2006
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jungle juice wrote:
legalised homicide

abortion is not legalized homicide, by human and charter of rights homicide is commited when you kill a person a fetus is not a person till brith in which case it becomes a child/neonate.

>.Your a hypocrite
you say your prolife but you promote abortion

jungle juice wrote:
but in the uk 24 weeks is aloud,and legal.


Fly to uk hun x


make up your mind, abortion can saves lives and I treasure the mothers life "who is a person" then someone who isnt anyday just like i'd put my kids ahead of any fetus!

Anyways I loved that post about you wanting an abortion it was flipping beautiful hypocrite!
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Jules
replied on November 4th, 2006
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Yeah, I think it's been pretty much established that this person is a troll and does not represent most pro-lifers (or pro-choicers for that matter).
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sandyallen
replied on November 4th, 2006
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Diamondsz & Purest Green
I agree with you both 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sheri1981
replied on February 18th, 2007
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Re: Abortion Is Not Legalized Not a Nice Act
Unless you were raped and got pregnant abortion is homicide. It still a life that you could of prevented by using birth control or condoms. If you laid in your bed you make it. Its not the babys fault. It your fault and you would not be in that predicument if you had done something to prevent it. Killing inncoent life is wrong. They derserve a chance too! How would you of felt if you were aborted. Not your fault your mom got pregnant, but hey give you a chance right! Give your baby a chance.
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Jules
replied on February 18th, 2007
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Re: Abortion Is Not Legalized Not a Nice Act
sheri1981 wrote:
unless you were raped and got pregnant abortion is not a nice act. It still a life that you could of prevented by using birth control or condoms. If you laid in your bed you make it. Its not the babys fault. It your fault and you would not be in that predicument if you had done something to prevent it. Killing inncoent life is wrong. They derserve a chance too! How would you of felt if you were aborted. Not your fault your mom got pregnant, but hey give you a chance right! Give your baby a chance.


it's not the baby's fault its mother was raped either so why is abortion in that scenario ok to you?

I'm playing devil's advocate here.
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Tylanas
replied on February 18th, 2007
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Re: Abortion Is Not Legalized Not a Nice Act
sheri1981 wrote:
unless you were raped and got pregnant abortion is not a nice act. It still a life that you could of prevented by using birth control or condoms. If you laid in your bed you make it. Its not the babys fault. It your fault and you would not be in that predicument if you had done something to prevent it. Killing inncoent life is wrong. They derserve a chance too! How would you of felt if you were aborted. Not your fault your mom got pregnant, but hey give you a chance right! Give your baby a chance.


it is never murder because you cannot murder that which is not a person.

No, it is not the fetus' fault, but it is also not the woman's fault that:
1. The condom broke
2. The pills didn't work
3. She's ignorant of pregnancy because of her religion (the movie "saved", anyone?)
4. The iud slid out, or failed completely
5. Her body is resitant to horomones
6. She's ignorant of pregnancy because the subject of sex is taboo

i would not feel anything if I had been aborted. I never would have attained the cognitive level to be able to think, or feel.

To actually answer that question seriously... I would not mind if my mother had aborted me, because I know she would have been making a hard, but good desicion based on the circumstances. Thing is, I was a planned pregnancy. I was not an accident.

My older sibling was an accident, and s/he was aborted when my mother was in college. I deeply respect her for this desicion. I would not exist if she had not done so. Everything we are is built upon out past experiences and desicions, and on the past experiences and desicions of those before us. I find this absoultely staggerng and amazing.

An unwantd pregnancy never deserves a chance. If it is given one, then it is very very lucky and fortunate... Maybe. If it lives a good life, then it was lucky. If it ends up in the poor house, abused, or tossed from foster home to foster home, then i'd say its mom should have made the .Better .Choice: abortion.
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Carifairy
replied on February 18th, 2007
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It still a life that you could of prevented by using birth control or condoms


ummm..I got pregnant using an iud, which is just as effective as sterilization...

Bc and condoms do fail, I work in an aboriton clinic, and I see a lot. Maybe bc has not failed you, and I am happy for that, but it has failed others.
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Tylanas
replied on February 18th, 2007
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Carifairy, stick quotation marks around that top half of your post; otherwise you look schizophrenic!
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Birch
replied on February 18th, 2007
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Re: Abortion Is Not Legalized Not a Nice Act
sheri1981 wrote:
unless you were raped and got pregnant abortion is not a nice act. It still a life that you could of prevented by using birth control or condoms. If you laid in your bed you make it. Its not the babys fault. It your fault and you would not be in that predicument if you had done something to prevent it. Killing inncoent life is wrong. They derserve a chance too! How would you of felt if you were aborted. Not your fault your mom got pregnant, but hey give you a chance right! Give your baby a chance.


birth control fails, .Sheri1981. And fetuses conceived by rape are also innocent...So which is it? Either the fetus deserves a shot because it's innocent, or mom can abort because she's innocent.

If you choose to say she can abort because she's innocent, then that negates your whole "killing innocent life wrong" silliness. If you choose to say abortion m*rders her fetus and she should keep the pregnancy, then you are no better than the rapist.

You can't be prolife and "win" with rape.

Welcome to the debate.
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seerah
replied on May 1st, 2008
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abortion should not be legalised?
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jujujellybean
replied on May 1st, 2008
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Re: Abortion Is Not Legalized homicide
diamondsz wrote:
jungle juice wrote:
legalised homicide



abortion IS homicide: abortion kills a baby, which is a person. Slavery was still enslaving someone even though THEY weren't considered people at the time; no matter what you think it IS homicide.
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cmyked
replied on May 2nd, 2008
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I don't believe the non-viable fetus is an independent person. Thus, early term abortion is not homicide - it is the woman exercising her right to not have the fetus inside of her. It just so happens that early on, this right results in the death of the fetus because it cannot survive outside of the womb.
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diamondsz
replied on May 29th, 2008
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Re: Abortion Is Not Legalized homicide
jujujellybean wrote:
diamondsz wrote:
jungle juice wrote:
legalised homicide



abortion IS homicide: abortion kills a baby, which is a person. Slavery was still enslaving someone even though THEY weren't considered people at the time; no matter what you think it IS homicide.


You are contradicting yourself

Slavery is against human right by forcing someone against their will you are enslaving them to their destiny, which is wrong.
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cmyked
replied on May 29th, 2008
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Homicide is defined as the illegal death of a born person. Sometimes the unborn counts when a pregnant woman is killed; but I don't know the specifics. If I could define that law, it would probably count the death of the fetus as double homicide if the fetus was 27 weeks old or older since it is viable.
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NeutralUsername
replied on May 29th, 2008
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cmyked wrote:
Homicide is defined as the illegal death of a born person. Sometimes the unborn counts when a pregnant woman is killed; but I don't know the specifics. If I could define that law, it would probably count the death of the fetus as double homicide if the fetus was 27 weeks old or older since it is viable.


From what I've read, in some places, the unborn does count as a homicide when the fetus is considered viable. I'm not sure how many weeks old the fetus has to be, though. I think it varies depending on the area. I probably need to research this because I'm also curious as to what happens if someone kills a woman's unborn baby but that unborn baby is not viable. Like, what could they get the attacker for? Only for assault?

(Just to nitpick, not all homicide is illegal, like the death penalty and killing in self-defense.)
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